Skylake-SP 51xx and 61xx Gold series Xeons on LGA 3647 is my guess. Mid to upper 2GHz to low 3GHz. Not sure if Intel will be offering LGA 2066 Xeons - if they do, that could be an option, as well.
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Skylake-SP 51xx and 61xx Gold series Xeons on LGA 3647 is my guess. Mid to upper 2GHz to low 3GHz. Not sure if Intel will be offering LGA 2066 Xeons - if they do, that could be an option, as well.
https://videocardz.com/70874/intels-epyc-response-xeon-scalable-processor-skylake-sp
Seen the CPU uplink options in C620?
And 10GbE
I'm guessing SKL-W though.
Seen the CPU uplink options in C620?
And 10GbE
I'm guessing SKL-W though.
That's epic!https://videocardz.com/70874/intels-epyc-response-xeon-scalable-processor-skylake-sp
Seen the CPU uplink options in C620?
And 10GbE
I'm guessing SKL-W though.
at least they are not doing the UP to BS on pci-e but will they have any chips under $1000?? or will having an good cpu at $350-$450 kill kaby lake-x sales?https://videocardz.com/70874/intels-epyc-response-xeon-scalable-processor-skylake-sp
Seen the CPU uplink options in C620?
And 10GbE
I'm guessing SKL-W though.
Some Skylake SP build to order servers appearing: http://www.thinkmate.com/system/rax-xs4-21s1-10g
~$7K for 24 cores, 192GB/RAM, 500GB Samsung M.2. Not bad.
~$7K for 24 cores, 192GB/RAM, 500GB Samsung M.2. Not bad.
Heres my vote for a new Mac Pro in a Server/rackmountable form factor.
While it is true that a lot of server roles are moving to microservices and virutalization. Even in a fully cloud-based office you still need an auth server running open directory or something like it. You can get by using a Windows server for this, but why? They have not been scoring major points in the security side lately.
I'd also imagine that a lot of the people running C4D render farms wouldn't mind using racked Macs with decent GPUs. At least for the master node.
DAW and edit suites could do wel with a rackable Mac.
One of the problems I ran into with the cylinder Mac Pro is that it shipped with no security lock slot. So we could not secure them in the edit bays at the facility I formerly worked for. My higher ups would not approve the purchase on that alone. So we went for HP Z-series instead.
As far as proce of a Mac server vs HP or Dell. That is hardly an issue. HP servers cost far more than any Mac Pro.
While it is true that a lot of server roles are moving to microservices and virutalization. Even in a fully cloud-based office you still need an auth server running open directory or something like it. You can get by using a Windows server for this, but why? They have not been scoring major points in the security side lately.
I'd also imagine that a lot of the people running C4D render farms wouldn't mind using racked Macs with decent GPUs. At least for the master node.
DAW and edit suites could do wel with a rackable Mac.
One of the problems I ran into with the cylinder Mac Pro is that it shipped with no security lock slot. So we could not secure them in the edit bays at the facility I formerly worked for. My higher ups would not approve the purchase on that alone. So we went for HP Z-series instead.
As far as proce of a Mac server vs HP or Dell. That is hardly an issue. HP servers cost far more than any Mac Pro.
And I expect the ones that are similar in spec to the base iMac Pro generally run as much as or more than the base iMac Pro based on what Dell and other Tier One PC vendors are asking.
What is the price of the base iMac Pro? I can't find it in the Apple Store.And I expect the ones that are similar in spec to the base iMac Pro generally run as much as or more than the base iMac Pro based on what Dell and other Tier One PC vendors are asking.
$4999 with no idea of how many cores, how much RAM, how much (and how fast) disk, and what soldered the in GPU is.
Seems a bit premature to compare to the (usually discounted) prices for Proliants and Dells.
If they can get the solder right, they might have a viable and lasting product. I hope for Apple's sake that they have at least a couple chemical engineers with a lot of metallurgy under their belts. It's a serious issue.
OK, here's an 8-core E5-2620v4 system:
Obviously, if you're doing the exercise of trying match the iMac exactly - it will need some options. If you don't need to match the iMac, you come in at a much lower price. (And don't worry about the 10GbE - when the ProLiant gets the v5 CPU it will have 10GbE from the PCH.)
And in some ways the iMac cannot match the ProLiant (like the standard hardware RAID controller and four hot-swap drive bays with the option of up to 16 hot-swap drive bays, and the five PCIe slots).
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Well, if you want to compare them, then you do need to match them. That's the only way to make it fair.
And it infuriates me to no end when people do these comparisons on iMacs being expensive, they dump a tower and say 'here, this is cheaper'. What am I supposed to do with that box? Where's the keyboard, the mouse, the mic, the camera? The monitor? The speakers?
i realize i'm comparing a tower to an all-in-one, but i think this is a little more fair comparison. and this doesn't even include a 5K screen. no option to take of the DVD burner, so subtract ~$50. i threw in the GTX 1080, not because i think the imac will be on par with that performance-wise, but probably close price-wise.
i mean, no one is buying the imac pro to use as a server.
i mean, no one is buying the imac pro to use as a server.
That's not really accurate. You need to match them for your needs. If the Mac comes with X, Y & Z, but you don't need Y, and you can get a PC with just X & Z, that's your comparison. This was as the heart of the problem for the tcMP. Of course, the tcMP also left out stuff you needed that the PC came with (like say PCIe slots or drive bays).
Most of those things are cheap enough to not really be much of a factor, excluding the monitor. You don't really see people ignoring the monitor though.
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That's not comparable though, the iMac Pro and what ever its competitors will be are not going to be on Broadwell and you're paying a hefty premium to try to match the iMac Pro specs with 2016 tech/prices. The iMac Pro is not likely to be hitting many desks until 2018.
exactly. and by that logic, a comparison to a 2016, $1200 server is not comparable either. but i still think this is a more fair comparison. and again, it's a tower-minus-monitor compared to an all-in-one without slots. it's up to each individual user to weigh the pros and cons and assign values to the things that one offers that the other doesn't (slots, drive bays or a display, etc) and throw them into their personal equations in making a decision.
My comments are in response to HP servers cost far more than any Mac Pro.
And good job adding a dual-port converged 10GbE/FCoE NIC to your comparison, when
- the iMac Pro has a single Ethernet-only port
- the 10 GbE NIC will come with the PCH on v5 CPUs, so "free"
my bad - i didn't see that it came with a free ethernet port, think that was a ~$200 option? so minus that and the DVD drive (to be fair) looking at closer to $4,935. still pretty close either way, yet again, minus a 5K display. what are those running these days?
Well right, we've kind of gotten stuck in the weeds. However, with the tcMP, the iMac Pro and likely the mMP too, Apple has designed/priced themselves into a corner. I just configured an AVADirect box with the i7-7820X, 32GB RAM, 1TB M.2 Samsung 960 Pro, 4x4TB HDD, GTX 1080 Ti with some random extra stuff thrown in (fans/keyboard/etc) and it came to $4146, swap the 1080 Ti for the 1080 FE, take away the hot swap bays and HDDs its $3400. Drop it to a 6 core, 16 GB of RAM, 500 GB M.2 and its $2500. Don't really need a powerful dGPU, drop it to the 1050 its $2000. That's the kind of thing Apple is missing out on. The starting price is just so high and configurations so limiting it has and will continue to drive people away. They are obviously doing fine on the more consumer end of things, but with their high end, I'm really confused by who they think they are targeting. They don't have to offer everything under the sun, but at least offer a little more of a spectrum of options.
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And yet I've read literally thousands of posts complaining that Apple doesn't offer a powerful dGPU. If you only need something in the 1050/1060 range, buy a current iMac with the Radeon Pro 575 or 580. Or if you're workflow needs CPU power rather than GPU power, get a current Mac Pro (post-discount) with the D500/D700.
Err, you're proving my point. I was pricing out a "modern" workstation. It had the enthusiast CPUs, but typically the Xeon counter parts that would be found in the presumed iMac Pro, the tcMP, and potentially the mMP, have very similar price points and specs, outside some server features. I'm not getting the iMac because I want a lesser GPU because I *also* want a Xeon, lots of cores, ECC RAM and lots of it, etc. The problem is exactly that Apple nests less GPU with less everything. They nest dGPUs with Xeon, high core count, more RAM etc. Your statement here displays the exact problem I'm talking about!
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And it infuriates me to end where Apple just assumes everyone need a freakin' display, mouse, keyboard, mix, and camera, when I already have all those things and just need an updated tower/mini-tower to plug into my current display.
But when people spec out a machine for the same price as a 5K iMac, they can add a display, an 8-core CPU, and 1080ti (or Vega), and all the peripherals, two m.2 drives, 32GB of RAM etc. And if they were going to spend $5,000, it could get insane - considering not all pro users need a Xeon processor nor ECC memory.