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What is the availability and price of true 10bit 5K monitors?

Not 5K, only 4K, but true HDR/10 Bit.

Afaik Acer Predator X27 or Asus ROG Swift PG27UQ, both $2000

Available in 2018.

Or Eizo. $ a lot

Also the so called Dell 10 Bit monitors have no real 10 Bit.
 
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And If you are talking about even higher end colour accurate monitors you are looking at $5000 and up for Eizo 4K HDR 10 bit, some even have built in hardware calibration.
[doublepost=1513890886][/doublepost]That is something I have been saying. People ask for super high end accurate monitors. But the ones available now cost more then the computers cost. People want the super high end stuff but at the price of consumer grade monitors like Dell, HP, and others.
 
Not 5K, only 4K, but true HDR/10 Bit.

Afaik Acer Predator X27 or Asus ROG Swift PG27UQ, both $2000

Available in 2018.

Or Eizo. $ a lot

Also the so called Dell 10 Bit monitors have no real 10 Bit.
Okay, as I assumed. It's annoying that even tech sites say "true 10bit" or "10bit" and you have to dig into specs to see 8bit+FRC and the like.

It's sad that desktop monitors are so scattershot. On a whim I was looking at available monitors that did 4K HDR as I was interested in an XB1X, and there's basically no good consumer options out there. Going to be a while until prices come down and we see that stuff in a 27 inch form factor. Unless Apple goes with a separate true high-end pro display SKU, I imagine their next display will just be the Thunderbolt 3 display—basically the good panel in an iMac stripped out with some docking niceties for laptop users.
 
I wasn't counting on it being cheap, only good. The mMP isn't going to be cheap so the display shouldn't be as well. Why skimp on the one thing your eyes are set on all the time.
Doesn't need to be color accurate, for me that is. Don't need to go into the 5k territory.
Prices will take a while to come down. Apple could start the trend
 
I wasn't counting on it being cheap, only good. The mMP isn't going to be cheap so the display shouldn't be as well. Why skimp on the one thing your eyes are set on all the time.
Doesn't need to be color accurate, for me that is. Don't need to go into the 5k territory.
Prices will take a while to come down. Apple could start the trend

Consumer 10 bit is mostly being pushed by HDR and video games. It has become a trendy marketing term.
 
This iMac Pro storage / logic board bond is interesting. Looking for more info...

The T2 chip also serves as the SSD controller and it automatically encrypts all data written to the SSDs with a key unique to the T2 chip on the host iMac Pro (the T2 chip also handles FileVault encryption if enabled).

So if you remove the SSDs from the iMac Pro, they cannot be read in another iMac Pro or an enclosure.
 
Afaik no: https://imgur.com/a/RjqwA

But they are paired...

It is as much split as paired. It looks like the 'cards' just have the Flash NAND chips on them. The SSD controller is soldered to the motherboard. It would be something new in SSD implementation. Typically the controller and NAND are very tightly coupled.

The SSD controller also contains the key to unlock the encrypted data. So if you just pull NANDs ... almost useless ( no controller so no other machine fits) . if you put the NAND in another machine without the keys ... again almost useless ( may be able to secure erase them).

I don't think going to get 3rd party SSD alternatives because these cards aren't really a full SSD. Frankly, I would suspect the tolerances on the connections and the specific vendor flavor of NAND chips the controller is set to deal with also pragmatically negate it being a viable market.


F*** for so called security.

it is security. Technically, you could decommission an iMac Pro from a company that has sensitive information by pulling the NAND cards ( and destroying them if paranoid about long term breakage of AES-256/512 ). It in the "must destroy" camp then big chunk of mother board needs to be shredded up. This is much cleaner than that.

Similar issue if repair if bigger issue than company can do internally, the data from the SSD can be pulled before ship off to Apple authorized repair shop. ( although I'm sure that would be by arrangement. )


P.S. I suspect this also makes the build to order process a bit easier. Generic logic boards with T2 built and then plug in appropriate NAND cards with CPU , RAM , (and maybe Vega module).

P.P.S. if the NAND chip failure is responsible for 25-60% Apple SSD failures then this is a good move since can simply just dump the NAND chip instead of a complete board replacement.
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It's sad that desktop monitors are so scattershot. On a whim I was looking at available monitors that did 4K HDR as I was interested in an XB1X, and there's basically no good consumer options out there.

Scattershot because there are no good standards. This one may clean things up a bit with the "HDR" marketing hype on future generations.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12144/vesa-announces-displayhdr-spec-and-tiers

5K though isn't a TV size so doubt going to see much in the space be true HDR with full official brightness and color.
Ezio has a 'real' 4K (not TV "4K" ) monitor. That's expensive enough that few can buy.
 
it is security. Technically, you could decommission an iMac Pro from a company that has sensitive information by pulling the NAND cards ( and destroying them if paranoid about long term breakage of AES-256/512 ). It in the "must destroy" camp then big chunk of mother board needs to be shredded up. This is much cleaner than that.

how common is this? (physically destroying the computers upon decommission)

what companies or types of companies do this? (if you know of any specific examples)

what do the non-destroy companies do with their old computers as far as security is concerned?
 
how common is this? (physically destroying the computers upon decommission)

what companies or types of companies do this? (if you know of any specific examples)

what do the non-destroy companies do with their old computers as far as security is concerned?

There was a bit of a push for medical imaging as a target market for the iMac Pro - pull the drives then sell the machine driveless, or send both to separate recycling facilities would be a pretty safe way to comply with medical privacy laws world-wide.
 
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how common is this? (physically destroying the computers upon decommission)

what companies or types of companies do this? (if you know of any specific examples)

what do the non-destroy companies do with their old computers as far as security is concerned?

I’m at a Fortune 100 company and we pull all drives and destroy them. The rest is sent to a 3rd party e-recycler.
 
how common is this? (physically destroying the computers upon decommission)

what companies or types of companies do this? (if you know of any specific examples)

what do the non-destroy companies do with their old computers as far as security is concerned?

Any company with intellectual property, sensitive information (like private peoples info), government files, anything that could be of value. Pretty standard practice to remove and destroy the hard drives if they get rid of computers. Literally destroy, not even wipe. I have heard of drives being completely crushed/shredded.
 
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That was satisfying. Even ate an old box monitor. Next time I move I might have to rent one of these.

If it clogs, don't climb in. A guy did that here in New Zealand he was working in a scrap yard and it jammed and his boss told him to get in and unclog it. He came out of it alive, however without both legs and missing one arm.

Every time I see one of those shredders I can't help but think of that.
 
I wanted to do solid concrete....

So how much concrete did it take? Glad your sculpture found a home! :D

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Never understood the hate that building got. You would think Apple was the first big company to build a big fancy building. Even Apple came out and said regarding the haters that it was built for Apple and what they wanted in a work place, not for a bunch of people who would never set foot in it.
 
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Just got some new cues on the mMP, new cues points more on AMD cpu and rounded shape (it may look as a trash can after alll, or at least will show trash can roots),
and seems Apple is effectively working on Two different "modular" desktops both with strong internals (note this other could be the mac mini or a mMP variant), specifically one model will include ECC DIMM and the second using ECC-SODIM <at least should exist as protoypes>.
[this is mago's leaks, not DNG or JD).
 
Just got some new cues on the mMP, new cues points more on AMD cpu and rounded shape (it may look as a trash can after alll, or at least will show trash can roots),
and seems Apple is effectively working on Two different "modular" desktops both with strong internals (note this other could be the mac mini or a mMP variant), specifically one model will include ECC DIMM and the second using ECC-SODIM <at least should exist as protoypes>.
[this is mago's leaks, not DNG or JD).

Strong internals ?
 
Vast fortunes were made in the personal computing business even though phones wound up becoming the primary platform for personal computing.
Well, if you look at 1980-2010 as being just a mere ramp-up of personal computers before they reach the shape they are supposed to have. In that case, you'd be right. I would rather consider the last 7 years to be the early days of a new evolution towards even more personal computing. And respect the personal computer in its own right: serious business in itself that isn't over & dusted with just yet.

What is the availability and price of true 10bit 5K monitors?
€1400+: https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/475959/hp-z27q-zwart.html
And that's on a price watch site, i.e. the cheapest price in my neck of the woods.
 
Just got some new cues on the mMP, new cues points more on AMD cpu and rounded shape (it may look as a trash can after alll, or at least will show trash can roots),
and seems Apple is effectively working on Two different "modular" desktops both with strong internals (note this other could be the mac mini or a mMP variant), specifically one model will include ECC DIMM and the second using ECC-SODIM <at least should exist as protoypes>.
[this is mago's leaks, not DNG or JD).

Certainly hope not and I doubt it.

Threadripper and Epyc arent bad as a value play but falls short on performance.
 
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