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Waiting for New Macs? Apple Just Shared Bad News

JPack said:
The M4 is about 18 months old now. It was probably always on the schedule for replacement.

The TSMC CoWoS stuff for M5 Pro was always expected to take longer. Why delay M5 base just because of that?
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Either way, it's odd to update only the entry-level MBP and not the rest - and in case the M5 Pro/Max/Ultra are not ready, they could have updated the MBA instead (for example, or the iMac, a model that only uses the base variant).

It's the arbitrary choice to focus on a specific SKU that is odd, but again, no harm done either.
 
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crsh1976 said:
Either way, it's odd to update only the entry-level MBP and not the rest - and in case the M5 Pro/Max/Ultra are not ready, they could have updated the MBA instead (for example, or the iMac, a model that only uses the base variant).

It's the arbitrary choice to focus on a specific SKU that is odd, but again, no harm done either.
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There's arguments for both sides. If Apple did M5 MBA first, then Apple would take a hit on M5 MBP sales when that product launches 4-6 months later. The cheaper product doesn't usually get the new chip first.
 
I can't help but feel a bit disappointed in the Apple Silicon M release schedules.

People were saying that with Apple's own chips, Macs would be refreshed more often and more consistently but so far the update schedule is just as all over the place as the late Intel Mac era. Maybe they just don't care for Macs that much anymore (understandable, since iPhone is their cash cow, followed by Services which they want to grow)
 
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Apple has just given a strong indication that it will not be releasing any additional new Macs for the remainder of the year.

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Apple's CFO Kevan Parekh dropped the hint during the company's earnings call on Thursday:parekh essentially gave a heads up that Apple's Mac revenue in the fourth quarter of 2025 might not grow significantly compared to the fourth quarter of 2024, likely because there will be fewer new Macs released this quarter than in the year-ago quarter.

In other words, he implicitly suggested that Apple has no further Mac releases planned for 2025.

Earlier this month, Apple updated the lowest-end 14-inch MacBook Pro with the M5 chip, but it did not release any MacBook Pro models with M5 Pro or M5 Max chips, and the Mac mini and iMac did not receive any hardware updates.

AppleInsider previously reported that MacBook Pro models with M5 Pro and M5 Max chips would launch in 2026, and Parekh's comment seems to support that. Mac mini and iMac models with M5 chips also appear to be slated for 2026, while the MacBook Air, Mac Studio, and Mac Pro were always rumored to be updated next year.

A lower-cost MacBook with an A18 Pro or A19 Pro chip is also rumored to launch in late 2025 or early 2026, but given Parekh's comment, early 2026 sounds more likely. This model is expected to be the spiritual successor to the MacBook Air with an M1 chip, which is still sold exclusively by Walmart for $599 in the United States.

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No surprise at all, why it makes headlines ??
 
MrGimper said:
Every day since the M4 launch I awake amazed that my MBP 16" M3 Max 16/40/64GB/2TB is still working

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Can you imagine the anguish I'm going through now with my 16" M2 Max. It's basically dust at this point, but somehow still runs.

Joking aside, I do kind of want either a M5 Pro Mini or M5 Max Studio. Not settled on which form I want yet, but I don't want to buy the M4 variant this far into the cycle if I can help it. Not that M4 stuff is bad, just it's far enough along that if I am going to spend the money I'd like the next series chip as soon as it launches so it can last as long as possible. My last mac desktop was... a PowerMac G5 Dual 2Ghz. So... *to be fair I do have a 2010 iMac too, but that was given to me broken and I fixed it, so an argument could me made that was my last mac desktop but it's still 15 years old.
 
HVDynamo said:
Can you imagine the anguish I'm going through now with my 16" M2 Max. It's basically dust at this point, but somehow still runs.

Joking aside, I do kind of want either a M5 Pro Mini or M5 Max Studio. Not settled on which form I want yet, but I don't want to buy the M4 variant this far into the cycle if I can help it. Not that M4 stuff is bad, just it's far enough along that if I am going to spend the money I'd like the next series chip as soon as it launches so it can last as long as possible. My last mac desktop was... a PowerMac G5 Dual 2Ghz. So... *to be fair I do have a 2010 iMac too, but that was given to me broken and I fixed it, so an argument could me made that was my last mac desktop but it's still 15 years old.
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Wow that thing should be in a museum lol

I have an M4 Mac Mini I bought last November to replace my 2014 27” iMac retina. That machine served me well.
 
platinumaqua said:
I can't help but feel a bit disappointed in the Apple Silicon M release schedules.

People were saying that with Apple's own chips, Macs would be refreshed more often and more consistently but so far the update schedule is just as all over the place as the late Intel Mac era. Maybe they just don't care for Macs that much anymore (understandable, since iPhone is their cash cow, followed by Services which they want to grow)
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You have to ask yourself what is driving the Mac market. AI is the thing. Current M-series SoCs are adequate to meet desktop and laptop needs. Apple isn't playing in the server market, so it doesn't make sense for them to push wildly on GPU and Neural Engine performance. M3 systems are more than adequate to handle on-device Apple Intelligence when it is delivered next year. By that time, M5 will be the base in all Mac products. I don't know what is coming that demands more performance when most of what AI needs is in the data center and the M5 currently handles everything Apple is using it for. Perhaps Spatial Computing and AR will push things, but that doesn't appear to be moving anywhere quickly due to ergonomic and basic technological (display) limitations. AI will continue to get most of the attention for the time being and that doesn't require much out of the M-series. [Note: I would be happy to be surprised by new developments that prove my current view woefully shortsighted.]
 
ramallite said:
I honestly thought there was a typo or missing word in the phrase "...we expect to face a very difficult compare against the M4 MacBook..." before I realized this is yet another example of corporate America's nonstop march to pulverize the English language. It's nauseating enough that "ask" is frequently used as a noun now (it isn't one), but now "compare" is a noun too?? This gross mutilation of the language for the purpose of pretentious self-aggrandizement has got to stop...

But on another note, more life out of my M3 Max MacBook Pro (only one generation behind) :)
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How about people referring to computing power as "compute". "We need more compute" OMG it's bad.
 
They came out with the M5, but they're TOOoOTally not planning M5 MBAir, M5 Max, etc.
No, totally no OLED or touchscreen coming up. Wink wink.
 
hajime said:
Please bring us good news by announcing that TC is leaving Apple soon.

iPad Pro M5 has Wifi 7. Why not M5 MacBook Pro 14"? This was done on purpose to make people keep upgrading and longing for the next generation of products.
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Who bases business decisions on limiting WiFi capabilities? Also who would upgrade a multi thousand dollar device JUST for WiFi 7? That list is so small it’s not worth the conspiracy theories.

People need to stop acting like WiFi 7 is the savior of technology. I get by just fine with WiFi 6 on my laptop and I deal with hundreds of GB files. If I need the speed, 10Gb Ethernet or 25Gb fiber over Thunderbolt is far better than WiFi 7.
 
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ramallite said:
I honestly thought there was a typo or missing word in the phrase "...we expect to face a very difficult compare against the M4 MacBook..." before I realized this is yet another example of corporate America's nonstop march to pulverize the English language. It's nauseating enough that "ask" is frequently used as a noun now (it isn't one), but now "compare" is a noun too?? This gross mutilation of the language for the purpose of pretentious self-aggrandizement has got to stop...

But on another note, more life out of my M3 Max MacBook Pro (only one generation behind) :)
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Same. I was confused with the word compare in there.
 
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hajime said:
Please bring us good news by announcing that TC is leaving Apple soon.

iPad Pro M5 has Wifi 7. Why not M5 MacBook Pro 14"? This was done on purpose to make people keep upgrading and longing for the next generation of products.
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WiFi 7 probably won't give you that big a performance boost over WiFi 6 or 6e because of regulatory limits on power, WiFi 7 chip implementation in tablets and laptops (2x2, max), and (for the home consumer) internet connection bottlenecks. WiFi standard shouldn't be driving your upgrade decision anytime soon unless you are still on WiFi 5–which would mean you need to upgrade from your old Intel Mac anyway.
 
Aaand of course the day this got announced, my beloved 27" iMac screen started the pink edge hue, exactly as described here.

Could suck it up badly and go with the current 24", but the 32gb maximum RAM is a complete non-starter. Hopefully the M5 iMacs can BTO to at least 64gb, and hopefully my current setup holds out until then.
 
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vantelimus said:
You have to ask yourself what is driving the Mac market. AI is the thing. Current M-series SoCs are adequate to meet desktop and laptop needs. Apple isn't playing in the server market, so it doesn't make sense for them to push wildly on GPU and Neural Engine performance. M3 systems are more than adequate to handle on-device Apple Intelligence when it is delivered next year. By that time, M5 will be the base in all Mac products. I don't know what is coming that demands more performance when most of what AI needs is in the data center and the M5 currently handles everything Apple is using it for. Perhaps Spatial Computing and AR will push things, but that doesn't appear to be moving anywhere quickly due to ergonomic and basic technological (display) limitations. AI will continue to get most of the attention for the time being and that doesn't require much out of the M-series. [Note: I would be happy to be surprised by new developments that prove my current view woefully shortsighted.]
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I'm not really asking that they need to do yearly M updates. More of update all the M_ computers at once. M_ Pro/Max/Ultra can come a bit later if needed
 
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CWallace said:
Apple more flexibility in CPU and GPU configurations if they so wish as they all the transistors are no longer located on a single die. This also means smaller, less-complex dies which should improve yields and lower the defect rate.
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I like the idea.

Yet, doesn't the decoupling of the components increase the latency (time-to-interconnect), and therefore work to negate the benefits of the all-in-one-die improvements we've been experiencing with the Mx Series?
 
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