Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[DanielNuk]

hi, first time poster but i read most of the discussion.
anyone have seen that in 7 days it will be the officially longest time between upgrades?
i think there is going to be an apple event soon, maybe another one at march.

what i think will be in next 13" macbook pro:
2 thunderbolt 3 ports (which does support 5k at 60 Hz)
All new slimmer design
Color options
Skylake 28w processors (iris 550)
maybe no magsafe
2 Usb c ports
Headphone jack
anything i forgot?

 

[TheGamerzZ]

http://www.vinereport.com/article/m...w.version.to.be.released.spring.2016/5441.htm

It seems that we are nearly to release

 

[SesameWasher]

Dominate in what way? Sales or specs? The specs of the late 2015 Dell XPS machines trounce the MacBook Pro's. But they are Dell, which means they are light-years behind how Apple build machines.

Specs of course
I don't think they "trounce" us in every way. Sure they spent a long time to catch us for thickness and weight, and yet I still considered they're still behind in terms of build quality and industrial design (more industrial designs btw, because build quality equals how much money you can gives to the factories that works for you). And current XPS it's not good-looking lol

That being said, my questions is, how XPS did it thinner? I wonder what's the thing behind. If mainly because Skylake, then it's nothing so secret.

 

[SesameWasher]

SORRY FOR REPOSTING IGNORE It refers to real computing power, so many think Pro means if you can make money using it. If that is the case then any computer that can address envelopes or do spread sheets would fit the bill. The Pro in MBP stands for being able to do heavy duty photo/ video /3d etc. something many computers used to make money in the business world cannot do. So the lame semantics arguments just don' hold water here

Yeah but what does it have to do with thin and light? Maybe you can say coolings and ports but...I don't think cooling for current rMBP it's an serious issue. I'm pretty sure non of us wants to carry those thick-as-hell laptops anymore as soon as we touched one of the MacBook Pros.

 

[frosse]

http://www.vinereport.com/article/m...w.version.to.be.released.spring.2016/5441.htm

It seems that we are nearly to release

Oh the good ol' "Retailer discounts may point toward new models" card. This is many people's and sites' favorite card to pull. The only true thing about this is that it has disappointed so many buyers-to-be. I wouldn't trust retailers, they usually don't have a clue what's happening when it comes to new Apple products.

 

[killawat]

was at the apple store earlier grabbing a watch band.

for giggles I asked the specialist when we may see the 2016 macbook pro.

I was told that it was "just updated in October" so i tuned out.

 

[apolloa]

Specs of course
I don't think they "trounce" us in every way. Sure they spent a long time to catch us for thickness and weight, and yet I still considered they're still behind in terms of build quality and industrial design (more industrial designs btw, because build quality equals how much money you can gives to the factories that works for you). And current XPS it's not good-looking lol

That being said, my questions is, how XPS did it thinner? I wonder what's the thing behind. If mainly because Skylake, then it's nothing so secret.

Design only I'm afraid, the inside and screens on offer from others means they DO trounce the MacBook Pro range, if you can handle the abomination of Windows 10 that it?
Having said that I am not sure if the RAM and SSD solutions used in the XPS are better then Apples MacBook Pro?

You can get a 4K screen on the XPS though, pointless? Probably but as 4K has come to mobile phones now it's the direction the industry wants to take us all in....
Kinda funny how Apple don't offer an external 4K screen yet you can get laptops cheaper then theirs with them.

 

[SesameWasher]

Design only I'm afraid, the inside and screens on offer from others means they DO trounce the MacBook Pro range, if you can handle the abomination of Windows 10 that it?
Having said that I am not sure if the RAM and SSD solutions used in the XPS are better then Apples MacBook Pro?

You can get a 4K screen on the XPS though, pointless? Probably but as 4K has come to mobile phones now it's the direction the industry wants to take us all in....
Kinda funny how Apple don't offer an external 4K screen yet you can get laptops cheaper then theirs with them.

I wouldn't think Apple cares about PPI, they are sharp enough and you will trade battery life for little sharper looking. Once it's sharp enough, color accuracy and all other else plays a more important role.

With that being said, Dell it's a good panel maker, and Apple doesn't make their panels..will just see who can produce a better panel than Dell, if it can't it maybe not that necessary, I wouldn't think we cares something like screens that much once they are good enough.

For the inside I think nobody comes close as nobody would arrange their chips like Apple. Maybe they seems ahead it's because they adopted Skylake first. By that, if Skylake have benefits then I'm sure that will surely benefits the platform itself.

 

[bounou]

hi, first time poster but i read most of the discussion.
anyone have seen that in 7 days it will be the officially longest time between upgrades?
i think there is going to be an apple event soon, maybe another one at march.

what i think will be in next 13" macbook pro:
2 thunderbolt 3 ports (which does support 5k at 60 Hz)
All new slimmer design
Color options
Skylake 28w processors (iris 550)
maybe no magsafe
2 Usb c ports
Headphone jack
anything i forgot?

Skylake TB 3 does not support DP 1.3 which would be needed for 5K support

 

[amartinez1660]

That might be nice, but I do not think that is the way Apple will see it. First of all it would make a monitor much bigger. Second, the point of the whole undertaking would be to give a lightweight laptop the power to drive this exact screen. No need to upgrade unless there is a new screen.

Actually yeah, I agree 100%. I was being sidetracked by the idea of having an eGPU solution, which is actually something supported by TB3 (and current TBs) and not really something that would be tied to the screen itself.
this could mean also that as soon as most of their latest refresh laptops/MacMinis are 4K/5K ready then a screen could be close to being released.

 

[Jetship]

if you can handle the abomination of Windows 10 that it?

What is the point in saying this honestly... I bloody hate how people cannot love Apple & Windows, why do you feel the need to bash on one or the other seriously.


OT: Do you guys think we'll be able to get different colors, because I really really really want space grey

 

[SesameWasher]

What is the point in saying this honestly... I bloody hate how people cannot love Apple & Windows, why do you feel the need to bash on one or the other seriously.


OT: Do you guys think we'll be able to get different colors, because I really really really want space grey

Sure I think so, why not space grey. But I love gold better although I'm afraid it's too common.

For Windows and OS X, well certainly there is many people favor one than the other, the more important thing it's to respect different points.

 

[macbook_21]

I would like to see a 2016 revision asap. Not so much to get a 2016 model, but in order to pick up a 2015 on close out!

I am really amazed that so many are willing to spec their mba's and mbp's with 128 and 256 ssd's. I just assumed in this day and age that most people had huge media libraries, and wanted access to them on the go.

I suppose cloud storage for compressed music files is the norm. I really enjoy having access to my music in aiff and apple lossless and would love to have a 512+ GB drive onboard. To be honest, I would have a strong preference for 768 or 1 TB.

I really feel like it is time to upgrade from my 2008 macbook and have concluded that a 2014 or 2015 closeout is pretty much the best way to get my needs met at a reasonable price point ($1500 or less).

 

[t0mat0]

Skylake TB 3 does not support DP 1.3 which would be needed for 5K support

http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/hardware/intel-talks-thunderbolt-3

(Interestingly, Intel did not include support for the newer DisplayPort 1.3, which can support 4K 3-D—and to some degree even future 8K resolutions—with a single cable, but Kieselstein did not say why.)

But Apple per se isn't bound by that though? Displayport over Alt Mode USB-C doesn't seem to have that issue. " When using all four lanes for DisplayPort Alt Mode, which could drive a monitor with up to 5K (5120 x 2880) resolution, "

If Apple didn't want eGPU within the screen, a nice dock or chassis dock would do wonders.

anyone have seen that in 7 days it will be the officially longest time between upgrades?

Pretty sure the longest wait was 280 odd days, so that's another 2 and a bit months. Mid Februaryish.

 

[apolloa]

What is the point in saying this honestly... I bloody hate how people cannot love Apple & Windows, why do you feel the need to bash on one or the other seriously.


OT: Do you guys think we'll be able to get different colors, because I really really really want space grey

Because using it it's my opinion of it. It's typical MS lets change and hide everything for no reason. This is also a Apple website and this is a MacBook Forum. I visit the alternatives section a lot and don't talk about Windows 10 much, but it doesn't mean I can't have an opinion I can post on here.
Your also questioning the needs to bash a platform, on MacRumors, did you seriously say that? Have you ever read a Samsung V Apple in the court story on here?

 

[AirdanMR]

Here we go! http://www.techpowerup.com/218187/intel-readies-its-most-powerful-nuc-the-skull-canyon.html

Intel just announced a new NUC (Next-Unit of Computing) code named Skull Canyon. This devices use to have the mobile intel CPUs between 17W and 28W, but this new one is going to be more powerful.

They only said it's "Skylake" with Iris Pro 580 so either it's an special Skylake-U or... they just announced the first Skylake-H with Iris Pro GT4, don't you think?

Release date 1Q 2016 / between January and March.

 

[nicovh]

Here we go! http://www.techpowerup.com/218187/intel-readies-its-most-powerful-nuc-the-skull-canyon.html

Intel just announced a new NUC (Next-Unit of Computing) code named Skull Canyon. This devices use to have the mobile intel CPUs between 17W and 28W, but this new one is going to be more powerful.

They only said it's "Skylake" with Iris Pro 580 so either it's an special Skylake-U or... they just announced the first Skylake-H with Iris Pro GT4, don't you think?

Release date 1Q 2016 / between January and March.

YESSS!!

Don't know if I can trust the source, cause it just basically leads to an image, but I am stoked either way!

Hopefully we'll get more details in the near future

 

[AirdanMR]

YESSS!!

Don't know if I can trust the source, cause it just basically leads to an image, but I am stoked either way!

Hopefully we'll get more details in the near future

Sorry, it's just a leaked teaser which means the "oficial announcement" will be soon. The Skylake NUC roadmap has been here around May. In September another roadmap appeared with the Skull Canyon NUC using Iris Pro 580 for the first time. Here: http://hardware.hdblog.it/2015/09/17/intel-nuc-core-i7-skylake/

But if this new teaser is legit and recent then it means: no delays and it's coming 1Q probably February.

It's the closest thing to a "skylake-h iris pro" news we've got in a while =)

 

[Intelmaster]

Hey Guys,

finally i made my registration in this fantastic forum.

I want to discuss with you only one small thing that i remember.

When Apple announced the first Macbook Pro with Intel Iris Pro Graphics, the Intel Iris Pro wasn't even presented to the public. And if you see the name of the Intel Iris Pro, its has the name 580 and not 590.

What if Intel has an agreement with Apple that they developed them a custom designed Iris Pro Graphics with maybe 96 Execution units and 256 MB eDRAM and finally called the graphic chip "Intel Iris Pro 590 Graphics".

If you look at the current product portfolio, more and more Mac Devices are not going to get any dedicated graphic cards and i think a powerful custom graphic card from Intel could give them more reasons to go fully to integrated graphics.

What's your opinion about it?

Btw: Sorry for my bad english!

 

[Dydegu]

What is the point in saying this honestly... I bloody hate how people cannot love Apple & Windows, why do you feel the need to bash on one or the other seriously.


OT: Do you guys think we'll be able to get different colors, because I really really really want space grey

I think offering color options is the single most effective attribute for a redesign. There's only so much they can do to make the machines look different at this point. Thinner? Sure. Better keyboard? Fine. But colors really make consumers feel like they're holding the newest technology in their hands. Colors speak to diehards and enthusiasts but also (and probably more importantly) the everyday consumer.

 

[nicovh]

I think offering color options is the single most effective attribute for a redesign. There's only so much they can do to make the machines look different at this point. Thinner? Sure. Better keyboard? Fine. But colors really make consumers feel like they're holding the newest technology in their hands. Colors speak to diehards and enthusiasts but also (and probably more importantly) the everyday consumer.

Totally agree.
I'm not too convinced they will release a Gold and a Rose Gold rMBP but it'd be safe to say that Silver and Space Grey are a given.
Just don't really see proffesionals pull out a pink laptop to work on, but who knows

 

[SesameWasher]

I think offering color options is the single most effective attribute for a redesign. There's only so much they can do to make the machines look different at this point. Thinner? Sure. Better keyboard? Fine. But colors really make consumers feel like they're holding the newest technology in their hands. Colors speak to diehards and enthusiasts but also (and probably more importantly) the everyday consumer.

That it's what they will do for their entire lineup.

Here we go! http://www.techpowerup.com/218187/intel-readies-its-most-powerful-nuc-the-skull-canyon.html

Intel just announced a new NUC (Next-Unit of Computing) code named Skull Canyon. This devices use to have the mobile intel CPUs between 17W and 28W, but this new one is going to be more powerful.

They only said it's "Skylake" with Iris Pro 580 so either it's an special Skylake-U or... they just announced the first Skylake-H with Iris Pro GT4, don't you think?

Release date 1Q 2016 / between January and March.

March? Still Better than June

 

[frosse]

What if Tim Cook really has "doubled down on security"? I mean, even Mark Gurman was wrong about the Macbook launching, thinking that it was a Macbook Air. I would think Cook keeps an extra close eye on new releases nowadays.

 

[SesameWasher]

Anybody having issues and discomfort with the new MacBook/Magic Keyboard key layouts? I'm sure that key layouts eventually will becomes the standard.

 

[whodatrr]

Welcome!!!

I don't think Intel would do well by getting too closely in bed, with Apple. While Apple is an Intel customer/partner, they also compete in some areas (the A series, for example). and with partners like Dell/lenovo/HP/etc. using Intel for a much wider range of lines (laptops, desktops, servers, mobile, etc.), I wouldn't say Apple is Intel's strongest partner. Looking at Intel's highest margin lines (Xeon), Apple is a tiny drop in the bucket next to HP and Intel, who have massive server and cluster businesses, which apple has zero footprint in, and thriving workstation businesses that Apple is pretty much walking away from.

So, I wouldn't think that Apple's relationship with Intel will be that special. Furthermore, unlike Apple's "one more thing" approach, major PC vendors share their roadmaps with large Enterprises 18-24mos out. This includes details on Intel's next-gen processors, GPU roadmaps, etc. So there aren't really many surprises there, as surprises tend to not be good things for large orgs. Pick a fortune 500 company, and I'll bet their IT orgs already have the scuttlebutt on what HP/Dell/etc systems will look like a year out, plus. OK, they may not know about the consumer lines, but they certainly know details on the chips in the work lines for every vendor except for Apple. And I don't think Intel would be on board for pissing off Dell/HP/Lenovo/etc for the likes of Apple.

Hey Guys,

finally i made my registration in this fantastic forum.

I want to discuss with you only one small thing that i remember.

When Apple announced the first Macbook Pro with Intel Iris Pro Graphics, the Intel Iris Pro wasn't even presented to the public. And if you see the name of the Intel Iris Pro, its has the name 580 and not 590.

What if Intel has an agreement with Apple that they developed them a custom designed Iris Pro Graphics with maybe 96 Execution units and 256 MB eDRAM and finally called the graphic chip "Intel Iris Pro 590 Graphics".

If you look at the current product portfolio, more and more Mac Devices are not going to get any dedicated graphic cards and i think a powerful custom graphic card from Intel could give them more reasons to go fully to integrated graphics.

What's your opinion about it?

Btw: Sorry for my bad english!