Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

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The mouse is not the same due to the natural "hover" mechanism as, you need to click the button. Also using pens on a touch screen on the actual screen is comparable to using a pen/pencil on paper. I am talking about using a pen on a trackpad to simulate something happening on the screen (so the mediums are tethered).

Now, you could make it you have to apply pressure on the pencil for it to register something and otherwise, it will just scroll - but that will not be a good user experience; while dragging the mouse around with it seated on the table is comfortable, having to always hold the pencil on the track pad will definitely not be enjoyable (especially as we are so used to lifting it). I just don't believe Apple has a mechanism to allow you to lift the pen above the trackpad and it will track its movement on screen so you can decide where to start your next "mark" of drawing.

This problem is not something that exists on tablets - which won't even need a moving cursor as, you can see exactly where on the screen you are pressing it. Hope I am making sense.
As I said in my post above, were Apple to introduce Pencil support, they'd have to find a way to make hover work. So the rest of what I say kind of assumes it's there.

It's far from impossible too, as tablets do have it. And I mean graphic tablets, just to be clear. Form and functionality wise they are very similar to trackpads. The hover state issue is solved by activating the pen a millimetre or so (it's user-configurable) before it touches the surface. This way you see where you are before you commit by clicking on the surface. There are 2 possible modes - a mouse-like one, and a more traditional 1 to 1 mapping of the pad area to the screen, where you kind of know where you are approximately even if the hover was not there.

And yes, of course it's nice to have a paper-like experience with drawing on the screen. You can have it on the iPad and there are graphic tablets with a screen these days too. But it's also the fact that people have been using tablets without screens for years and doing outstanding work on them. Some would even argue that there are advantages to that. There's no screen-generated heat, no space between the tip of the pen and actual line, and your own hand does not get in the way, so you can see what you do better, neither it leaves smudges on the screen. In some way it's like the difference between a touch screen and a mouse.
 
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Ciao @Lollo! I'm italian too, do you think we'll see a price increase over new MBPs here in Italy?
I'm thinking about buying my next mac in Switzerland, they are way cheaper there. (But with different keyboard layout, damn)
 
Ciao @Lollo! I'm italian too, do you think we'll see a price increase over new MBPs here in Italy?
I'm thinking about buying my next mac in Switzerland, they are way cheaper there. (But with different keyboard layout, damn)

Hey ya! Ciao! :)

Buying in Switzerland would be difficult for me as I'm from Naples :D btw I'd not be able to use my student discount (I think) in another country... however, I'd be satisfied if prices remain the same as the last release, maybe with a drop on 2015 models (that I'd consider in case the new models won't satisfy me!).

Cheers!
 
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Thing is, when I'm typing I'm not looking at the keys or at the keyboard so how will the Magic Toolbar help me?

You don't use the magic toolbar when you are typing.
[doublepost=1477419011][/doublepost]Watch no developers implement use of magic toolbar.

Next redesign of MacBook pro brings back the function keys
 
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ok, go on apple! remove all my FN keys, but please give me letters other than As!
or i'll go like AAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaa
It took a lot of courage to replace all the other letters of the alphabet with 'A's.

How this message will look on the 2016 MacBooks Pros:
Aa aaaa a aaa aa aaaaaaa aa aaaaaaa aaa aaa aaaaa aaaaaaa aa aaa aaaaaaaa aaaa 'A'a.
 
As I said in my post above, were Apple to introduce Pencil support, they'd have to find a way to make hover work. So the rest of what I say kind of assumes it's there.

It's far from impossible too, as tablets do have it. And I mean graphic tablets, just to be clear. Form and functionality wise they are very similar to trackpads. The hover state issue is solved by activating the pen a millimetre or so (it's user-configurable) before it touches the surface. This way you see where you are before you commit by clicking on the surface. There are 2 possible modes - a mouse-like one, and a more traditional 1 to 1 mapping of the pad area to the screen, where you kind of know where you are approximately even if the hover was not there.

And yes, of course it's nice to have a paper-like experience with drawing on the screen. You can have it on the iPad and there are graphic tablets with a screen these days too. But it's also the fact that people have been using tablets without screens for years and doing outstanding work on them. Some would even argue that there are advantages to that. There's no screen-generated heat, no space between the tip of the pen and actual line, and your own hand does not get in the way, so you can see what you do better, neither it leaves smudges on the screen. In some way it's like the difference between a touch screen and a mouse.

I'm pretty unconvinced. For one thing, if Apple allows use of the Pencil on a trackpad, it's a tacit acknowledgement of the usefulness of having touch functionality on a laptop - something they do not offer. While I would LOVE to have a touch-screen enabled MacOS, the fact that they do not have this, I believe means their contention is that something like Windows 10 isn't better.

I mean can you imagine the news stories with Apples kludgy implementation, whereby someone has to draw on a tiny trackpad, vs Microsoft's implementation where you can draw directly onto a screen that's actually displaying the thing you're drawing. Of course I could be wrong.
 
So many haters here hating on something they haven't seen without knowing exactly how it will work. You guys think you can just think a few hours about the toolbar, assume a few things about its design and functionality and then decide that it is worse than what is currently available in the MBP because you couldn't imagine it being any better. If you can't design it to be a better alternative to the function row then surely Apple can't either.

Sorry, I just had to say that...
 
Yes, the Magic Toolbar allows for the use of the revolutionary new ' and . characters. :)

Oh, and emojis too! Can't forget emojis.

Let's be honest though, Emojis are the future. Who in their right mind is going to type on words 40 years from now? Emojis are a universal language!!
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So many haters here hating on something they haven't seen without knowing exactly how it will work. You guys think you can just think a few hours about the toolbar, assume a few things about its design and functionality and then decide that it is worse than what is currently available in the MBP because you couldn't imagine it being any better. If you can't design it to be a better alternative to the function row then surely Apple can't either.

Sorry, I just had to say that...
I completely agree. I think Apple will probably implement it well, but I still think it's fun to make fun of it
 
Two thoughts/questions. I know nobody knows the answers to these, but speculation is fun.

1) Do you think they will release a standalone keyboard with magic bar? I normally use my MBP docked, and so having it built in to the keyboard is a complete waste. I'm due for a new (set of) keyboards. My current ones are beginning to fall apart.

2) What are the odds the Razer Core will work with the new MBP? It's all about driver support, I guess?
 
with the UK price increase + %20 VAT I guess I'm looking around £3700 for a full maxed out 15??

i hope I'm wrong o_O

i guess i will wait to see.. nothing left

Woaaaah even though I am expecting a price increase £1k would be way way way too much. I hope they up it for like a £100 from what it is today (base and upgrade prices). I think a grand would literally make the thing unsellable here
 
Oh, and emojis too! Can't forget emojis.
Don't forget balloons :p

because you couldn't imagine it being any better
Its not about imagining things, but understanding that Apple does small incremental updates. I hope to see Apple hit it out of the park, but so far the past few years, we've only seen thinner products from apple. I fully expect Schiller to promote how thin the new magical MBP will be, and it includes a magical bar to do amazing things like emojis :p
 
When do you guys think we would be able to buy these new Macs in store? A week after pre-orders? I'm trying to decide whether or not to pre-order it and wait or try my luck at the store

Take 90 seconds of your time and read a few pages in this thread. This has been discussed a number of times. Seriously, I'm not trying to be rude, it's just that the same question keeps coming up over and over again.
 
Two thoughts/questions. I know nobody knows the answers to these, but speculation is fun.

1) Do you think they will release a standalone keyboard with magic bar? I normally use my MBP docked, and so having it built in to the keyboard is a complete waste. I'm due for a new (set of) keyboards. My current ones are beginning to fall apart.

2) What are the odds the Razer Core will work with the new MBP? It's all about driver support, I guess?

I don't know the answer to the second one but I really hope they build in eGPU support so I can do some gaming without building an entire gaming PC. But for the first question, It is almost guaranteed that they will make a new magic keyboard with the magic toolbar on it.
 
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