Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[snc]

It cannot provide even though it uses a lot more W and is not as thin as rMBP. Benchmarks above have proven this.

Benchmark shows that it handles games on high in full hd, thats good I think it throtles only in furmark and prime

 

[j1104638]

There are 1000 dilars laptop with 960m and they dont throthle in games but yes they are much bigger

So uhm then ask for a bigger rMBP AND big-ass dGPU. You cannot have the latter without the former.
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Benchmark shows that it handles games on high in full hd, thats good I think it throtles only in furmark and prime

Predecessors of Iris Pro 580 do that too. So what?

 

[snc]

Ye

I am sorry, but you are missing completely the point. MBP power supply is 85W. Dell XPS 15 to power all of his components needs 130W PSU. That is 45W more than MBP.

Yes I know this but this is question is 85w is good choice and why they didnt update erlier macbook pro 15 with skylake and iris 530 if macbook isnt for games
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So uhm then ask for a bigger rMBP AND big-ass dGPU. You cannot have the latter without the former.
[doublepost=1454176098][/doublepost]Predecessors of Iris Pro 580 do that too. So what?

In your dream

 

[j1104638]

Yes I know this but this is question is 85w is good choice and why they didnt update erlier macbook pro 15 with skylake and iris 530 if macbook isnt for games

Hello? Because it consumes same 45W but has lower performance? Because Apple has used top-tier Intel CPUs for several years and there is nothing wrong with it except the fact Intel ****ed up release schedule?

 

[koyoot]

Ye

Yes I know this but this is question is 85w is good choice and why they didnt update erlier macbook pro 15 with skylake and iris 530 if macbook isnt for games

Apple does not specify the usage of a computer. It can be good for games, it can be good for creating content, it can be good for number of other things. Thats up to you how you will use it. Apple cares about the impact on environment their computer has, about your experience of it, and about the money you pay for it.

 

[j1104638]

If you want more than 85W it's not as simple as just saying "let's do 130W". It's as complex as saying "let's redesign the whole machine btw the constraint we chose may be unachievable without major throttling but whatev let's try".

 

[koyoot]

Efficiency: maximizing performance of machine in typical thermal envelope. What is better from this point of view? Computer with CPU and GPU that uses 65 W of power while delivering 40 FPS in a game, or computer that uses 115W of power while delivering 50 FPS in a game?

P.S. If you want to game on it: you have TB3 enclosure and you can add lets say Titan X to it. You will be much better of with it, than anything else that is on the market in laptops.

 

[snc]

Apple does not specify the usage of a computer. It can be good for games, it can be good for creating content, it can be good for number of other things. Thats up to you how you will use it. Apple cares about the impact on environment their computer has, about your experience of it, and about the money you pay for it.

LOL :d do you have good expirience with m370x radeon? And one qutoe from notebookcheck "The M370X actually manages an advantage of 34% over the GT 750M in 3DMark Fire Strike, which is the best simulation of the demands of current games. A GeForce GTX 950M or GTX 960M, which are in a similar TDP range of 50 up to 60 watts" so they use m370x with simillar tdp to 960m but they can't use 960m because of 85W limitation. Logic

 

[koyoot]

Well, I am sorry, but the problem is only with your logic. If we can assume that the information on ntbchck is correct, than XPS should not have problem handling GTX960M on 85W power supply. It is not the case. Macbook Pro 15 inch with Radeon uses up to 91W of power. That is higher than power supply of MBP is capable.

How come, if the data is correct on notebookcheck, Dell cannot handle it with 85W, with much more efficient, according to some people CPU, and the same power envelope of the GPU, and to do all this it need 30W more? Will you explain to me that?

 

[bfid111]

LOL :d do you have good expirience with m370x radeon? And one qutoe from notebookcheck "The M370X actually manages an advantage of 34% over the GT 750M in 3DMark Fire Strike, which is the best simulation of the demands of current games. A GeForce GTX 950M or GTX 960M, which are in a similar TDP range of 50 up to 60 watts" so they use m370x with simillar tdp to 960m but they can't use 960m because of 85W limitation. Logic

dGPU will become not too necessary once TB3 egpu docks come out

 

[snc]

dGPU will become not too necessary once TB3 egpu docks come out

So buy 2000$ laptop and pay for th3 enclosure and dGPU. Good idea, also very mobile
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Well, I am sorry, but the problem is only with your logic. If we can assume that the information on ntbchck is correct, than XPS should not have problem handling GTX960M on 85W power supply. It is not the case. Macbook Pro 15 inch with Radeon uses up to 91W of power. That is higher than power supply of MBP is capable.

How come, if the data is correct on notebookcheck, Dell cannot handle it with 85W, with much more efficient, according to some people CPU, and the same power envelope of the GPU, and to do all this it need 30W more? Will you explain to me that?

Notebookcheck has good information source so power consumption of 960m can't be much higher than m370x.

 

[bfid111]

So buy 2000$ laptop and pay for th3 enclosure and dGPU. Good idea, also very mobile

talking like you are going to utilize every last juice of dgpu all the time. imo buying the 15 inch base model for $2000 and getting a decent gpu for around 200 with dock will still be cheaper than getting a mbpr 15 with dgpu. seriously you won't need a dgpu on the go. Iris pro will probably perform good enough for daily tasks

 

[koyoot]

Notebookcheck has good information source so power consumption of 960m can't be much higher than m370x.

And how can I argue with that...?

 

[j1104638]

LOL :d do you have good expirience with m370x radeon? And one qutoe from notebookcheck "The M370X actually manages an advantage of 34% over the GT 750M in 3DMark Fire Strike, which is the best simulation of the demands of current games. A GeForce GTX 950M or GTX 960M, which are in a similar TDP range of 50 up to 60 watts" so they use m370x with simillar tdp to 960m but they can't use 960m because of 85W limitation. Logic

Ok, let's play the quoting game "Unfortunately, the MacBook Pro is affected by a very annoying problem, which results in frame rate drops during prolonged gaming sessions: The Radeon GPU cannot maintain its core clock of 800 MHz. The clock often fluctuates between 675 and 725 MHz, but occasionally drops to 400 MHz. The resulting stutters are very annoying, particularly when you play shooting games, and seem to be caused by thermal throttling when the core temperature reaches around 74 °C (~165 °F)."

 

[koyoot]

The temperature is too low for thermal throttling to occur. It has more to do with power throttling than anything.

 

[mjs402]

For the love of my feet. Just give me a:

• 15 inch Retina display
• Just a wee bit thinner case
• Smaller bezels
• Iris Pro 580 (I don't care about a dGPU when I can use..)
• 2-4 Thunderbolt 3 ports (<- eGPU plug and play)
• New keyboard
• And maybe a USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 solution with MagSafe feature for charging(I.e. the magnet comes apart at the cord instead of the head)

I think those are all reasonable expectations.

Oh, and do something about your crappy AppleCare warranty for Macs. AppleCare Plus for iOS devices and the Apple Watch is so much better, it even covers two accidental incidences (at a premium).

 

[bfid111]

For the love of my feet. Just give me a:

• 15 inch Retina display
• Just a wee bit thinner case
• Smaller bezels
• Iris Pro 580 (I don't care about a dGPU when I can use..)
• 2-4 Thunderbolt 3 ports (<- eGPU plug and play)
• New keyboard
• And maybe a USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 solution with MagSafe feature (ala the magnet comes apart at the cord instead of the head

I think those are all reasonable expectations.

Oh, and do something about your crappy AppleCare warranty for Macs. AppleCare Plus for iOS devices and the Apple Watch is so much better, it even covers two accidental incidences (at a premium).

Color options too

 

[j1104638]

The funny thing is it seems notebookcheck.net provides maximum fps in their fps tables, not sustained, avg or throttled. Because on my rMBP late 2013 with dGPU on ultra preset it's exactly 23.5 fps as told on notebookcheck.net except that it lasts for several minutes and then falls down by 20% and is only sustained on this level.

 

[shareef777]

Apple will skip Skylake!

Not a chance. They already skipped Broadwell on the 15".

 

[nicovh]

dGPU or not, all the people fighting against it or for it are still going to get the next rMBP. The last pages is only bickering at eachother over a friggin' dGPU.

Let's just wait it out and see what Apple comes up with, I'm sure it will be a great machine, with or without dGPU. Iris Pro 580 will be a great new iGPU

 

[killawat]

leaked img of the 15" skyfake mbp from a good friend in the supply chain

sorry guys its going to be a long two months,and if they really wait until June i won't know what to do.

 

[eswapnil]

Lets play a game. By what page in this thread do you think the 13" and 15" MBP will be announced? For 13" I think 245 and for the 15" 330..

 

[Adam620]

I think it's more likely apple will update the MacBook Pro in March and October rather than in June. The last time they announced a MacBook Pro in June was 2012. I except any design changes to be minmal, including keyboard and screen bezel.

 

[nicovh]

I think it's more likely apple will update the MacBook Pro in March and October rather than in June. The last time they announced a MacBook Pro in June was 2012. I except any design changes to be minmal, including keyboard and screen bezel.

It's been done before, so it can happen now too. And even if Apple hadn't released in June, WWDC would be a perfect event to announce the "Pro" machines among the developer crowd at the event.

 

[Blue Sun]

For the love of my feet. Just give me a:

• 15 inch Retina display
• Just a wee bit thinner case
• Smaller bezels
• Iris Pro 580 (I don't care about a dGPU when I can use..)
• 2-4 Thunderbolt 3 ports (<- eGPU plug and play)
• New keyboard
• And maybe a USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 solution with MagSafe feature for charging(I.e. the magnet comes apart at the cord instead of the head)

I think those are all reasonable expectations.

Oh, and do something about your crappy AppleCare warranty for Macs. AppleCare Plus for iOS devices and the Apple Watch is so much better, it even covers two accidental incidences (at a premium).

Even if there were TB3 eGPUs available in the near future, Apple sure as hell isn't going to support them in OS X. You'll probably need to BootCamp.