Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[j1104638]

yes, the new MBP will have only usb-c gen 2 like the Macbook but probably 2 or 3 ports+1 hdmi, so they can make it thinner and lighter

Stop saying ******** please.
You're saying the new MBP will not have Thunderbolt 3 ports. This is not likely to be true.
You're saying the Macbook has USB-C gen 2. This is a lie. Macbook has USB 3.1 gen 1.
New MBP will likely have Thunderbolt 3 ports which can emulate USB 3.1 gen 2.

 

[cmChimera]

New MBP not supporting 5k display with thunderbolt3?
Where Is Apple's 5K Thunderbolt Display?
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/where-is-apples-5k-thunderbolt-display.1950779/

Hi, i just wondering about possibility of 2016 MBP supporting 5k display with a single thunderbolt3 cable.
The above article mentions that current DP1.2 which is supported by TB3 will not drive a 5k display with single cable.

However, the TB3 specification includes enough bandwidth to support of a single external 5K display at 60Hz.
Any possibility of apple releasing new MBP supporting a 5k display using TB3 as an interface rather than DP1.2 or HDMI implemented within TB3? or
Will 2016 MBP base model with new Skylake Iris Pro be capable of drive 5k resolution? any info?

Skylake doesn't support it, but guess what does? Polaris.

 

[Ries]

Stop saying ******** please.
You're saying the new MBP will not have Thunderbolt 3 ports. This is not likely to be true.
You're saying the Macbook has USB-C gen 2. This is a lie. Macbook has USB 3.1 gen 1.
New MBP will likely have Thunderbolt 3 ports which can emulate USB 3.1 gen 2.

Intel merged TB3 with USB-C. It will be two TB3 ports having the USB-C connector. The TB3 USB-C connector is cable of doing USB/TB/DisplayPort/Power and the stuff i forgot.

My guess is that the new MBP will have 2 TB3 ports, 1 magsafe and headphones/mic connectors. They will drop the rest.

 

[j1104638]

Intel merged TB3 with USB-C. It will be two TB3 ports having the USB-C connector. The TB3 USB-C connector is cable of doing USB/TB/DisplayPort/Power and the stuff i forgot.

Yes. I've told precisely this on previous page. Serban insists that new rMBP will have USB-C gen 2 (wrongly comparing it to rMB's gen 1) which is not TB3 USB-C, it does not support TB.
[doublepost=1454249499][/doublepost]Just to reiterate.
TB3 interface has USB-C connector and includes USB 3.1 gen 2 functionality. This is what new rMBP will likely have.
USB 3.1 gen 2 interface has USB-C connector and does not include TB functionality. This may or may not be included as separate interface on new rMBP if they choose not to include 4 TB3 interfaces.
USB 3.1 gen 1 interface has USB-C connector and does not include TB functionality. This is what is installed on current rMB.
All three of them share the same USB-C connector. But all three are different performance- and capabilities-wise.[doublepost=1454249574][/doublepost]

My guess is that the new MBP will have 2 TB3 interfaces, 1 magsafe and headphones/mic connectors. They will drop the rest.

My hope is 4 TB3 interfaces. Although most probably there will be 2, I agree with you.

 

[nicovh]

It'll be interesting what Apple does with the ports. If they drop em down to 2/3/4 TB3 USB-C ports or add other slots for a wider range of connectivity. I expect MagSafe to be included, but it's not a huge deal to me if they drop it.
What would be the likelihood of Apple making a MagSafe 3 port for the redesign? They do have alot more room to work compared to the slim MB.

 

[j1104638]

It'll be interesting what Apple does with the ports. If they drop em down to 2/3/4 TB3 USB-C ports or add other slots for a wider range of connectivity. I expect MagSafe to be included, but it's not a huge deal to me if they drop it.
What would be the likelihood of Apple making a MagSafe 3 port for the redesign? They do have alot more room to work compared to the slim MB.

I'd prefer them to remove MagSafe in favour of something like magnetic USB-C https://griffintechnology.com/us/breaksafe-magnetic-usb-c-power-cable but a little more well thought (Apple is the right company to come with a great solution for this IMHO). Not because I dislike MagSafe, I like it very much. But because it will save some precious cm3 of space to add more battery or lower temperature some degrees down (or, I hate when it happens, make it thinner). Magnetic USB-C power will be an ok replacement of MagSafe (at least for me).

This will finally allow exactly one cable to rule them all if you have some kind of a dock (which is likely to be included in the next Thunderbolt Display).

 

[snc]

. its been around for a long time

550$ for a box without gpu, hahaha ;d

 

[whiteRAD]

I always wonder if there are apple employees monitoring this thread.
Also I wonder if apple employees are registrated to this forum.

550$ for a box without gpu, hahaha ;d

Thats why you buy an Akitio Thunder2 Box instead.

 

[j1104638]

550$ for a box without gpu, hahaha ;d

WAT?! A one of its kind on market piece of technology with low volume is overpriced? How is this even possible?! Unbelievable.
[doublepost=1454251622][/doublepost]

Thats why you buy an Akitio Thunder2 Box instead.

Akitio does not support GPUs out of the box. http://www.akitio.com/information-center/pcie-card-compatibility-chart

Remarks:

• Graphic cards of any kind are NOT supported.

Or am I outdated?
AFAIK the only replacement for Bizon eGPU is semi-DIY solutions (Akitio included) at the moment (which are much, much cheaper than Bizon). This will change this year a lot.

P. S. I've provided link to Bizon eGPU FAQ on previous pages https://bizon-tech.com/faq-egpu . They too say Akitio does not support GPU. Not that you should trust competitor to say full truth but if both creator and competitor say it does not, it likely does not.

 

[Pdp7]

I'd prefer them to remove MagSafe in favour of something like magnetic USB-C https://griffintechnology.com/us/breaksafe-magnetic-usb-c-power-cable but a little more well thought (Apple is the right company to come with a great solution for this IMHO). Not because I dislike MagSafe, I like it very much. But because it will save some precious cm3 of space to add more battery or lower temperature some degrees down (or, I hate when it happens, make it thinner). Magnetic USB-C power will be an ok replacement of MagSafe (at least for me).

This will finally allow exactly one cable to rule them all if you have some kind of a dock (which is likely to be included in the next Thunderbolt Display).[/QUOTE]
I mentioned in another thread, a MagSafe redesign could be the ticket to providing power to charge the laptop over a usb-c port. The charging cable included could look just like the current one, but move the MagSafe breakaway to the powerbrick end, and use usb-c on the laptop end. The powerbrick could contain the magnetic connector and would function the same if someone tripped on the cord. You could still have the fat extension power cord that attaches to the brick, or use the portable pronged adapter. Here's my fat finger sketch in notes!

 

[intelligence]

Akitio does not support GPUs out of the box.

The Bizon is a modified (and overpriced) Akitio with another logo slapped on. Basically some russian dude found the tech inferno forum, collected some ideas and scripts from Akitio modders and started selling them for an extremely premium price.

 

[j1104638]

The Bizon is a modified (and overpriced) Akitio with another logo slapped on. Basically some russian dude found the tech inferno forum, collected some ideas and scripts from Akitio modders and started selling them for an extremely premium price.

Let's not call names.
First of all other things equal finished device is always more expensive than DIY guide to create such a device. Because, well, you know, you don't need to Do It Yourself.
Then it's not only a modified Akitio, it's modified Akitio with additions - PSU and cooling (not sure about cooling). Here comes increased manufacturing cost.
Moreover it has 1 year warranty. DIY device does not. Added value, anyone?
Fourth - DIY guides are not that much of a competition for a company with finished product nowadays. Who will make them drive their prices down?
Lastly volume is not that big, market is quite niche. There is no place for economies of scale. Yet.

Let's not call names. The price is big, I don't deny it. But it's well aligned with current market position unfortunately. I hope this will change greatly this year.

Moreover, all that Bizon sells is targeted to Mac market only. Their eGPU is primarily targeted to MacBook Pro although they state it works with Mac Pro, Mac Mini, Air etc. MacBook Pro is the most premium laptop of Apple line, and the whole line is considered quite premium among its competitors as well. So they target the premium market with their price. I doubt Razer eGPU will be a lot cheaper.

 

[Krafty]

View attachment 613562

Beautiful. I need this framed.

 

[Pdp7]

Beautiful. I need this framed.

I expect this to be a featured image in Schiller's keynote slides introducing MagSafe 3.

 

[MDull]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3026...ed-in-mobile-with-new-skylake-xeon-chips.html

Does that mean we will see new rMBP soon? I am considering to buy a Surface Pro 4 this week. Hard to decide...

If I didn't need the 15" I'd tell Apple to go blow and get a Surface Pro. Getting really tired of the games from them.

 

[Hieveryone]

What will be the benefits of skylake and when is it coming?

I have the Haswell and no problems here (13" MBPr 2.6/8/256)

 

[KohPhiPhi]

The Bizon is a modified (and overpriced) Akitio with another logo slapped on. Basically some russian dude found the tech inferno forum, collected some ideas and scripts from Akitio modders and started selling them for an extremely premium price.

And that's 100% legit, since he's adding value by doing all the DIY custom modding (and research) for you. I would gladly pay $200 to avoid the painful trial and error process.

I remember when I converted my old Dell into a Hackintosh... oh my God WHAT A PAIN! I wasted an entire weekend, weeding through dozens of forum threads to finally have the damn thing working. Would I have paid $200 to skip through that nightmare? in a heart beat!

So, if Bizon has managed to conveniently streamline the eGPU modding for Macbook users, kuddos for him. He deserves those dollars.

 

[intelligence]

Sure, but not sure why he insists on blocking the tech inferno users that tried to post on his youtube videos that you can easily make an eGPU of the same caliber on your own. Pretty weak in my opinion. Especially since his product wouldn't be out there without them.

 

[j1104638]

Sure, but not sure why he insists on blocking the tech inferno users that tried to post on his youtube videos that you can easily make an eGPU of the same caliber on your own. Pretty weak in my opinion. Especially since his product wouldn't be out there without them.

Why does Android have swipe up while iOS have swipe right to unblock the screen?

Hint: making money and doing geek stuff are rarely the same thing.

 

[Val-kyrie]

USB-C is the port, like the form-factor, pins all that stuff.
If there is USB 3.1 gen 2 interface behind this port, you get up to 10 Gbit/s performance and can only connect USB and DP devices, not TB devices.
If there is TB3 interface behind this port, you get up to 40 Gbit/s performance and can connect both USB and DP and TB devices.
TB3 interface is much more expensive to implement obviously.
P. S. Retina MacBook has USB 3.1 gen 1 (previously known as USB 3.0) interface behind its USB-C port if I'm not mistaken.
[doublepost=1454204510][/doublepost]AFAIK neither CPU nor logic board provides TB3 in Skylake generation of chipsets and CPUs. You have to install dedicated Alpine Ridge controller. And there are only controllers for 1 or 2 ports.

If Apple decides to give us 4 TB3 interfaces they will have to install two 2-port controllers (which is quite pricey) and dedicate 8 PCIe lanes to them (Skylake CPU has 16 lanes total, SSD will get 4, dGPU will take 4 to 8 so moreover PCIe multiplexer might become necessary).

This will change in next generations, it will be included.

According to other tech sites like Anandtech, you are correct. An external TB3 controller will be required to enable TB3 on Skylake-C/S/H chips; otherwise TB3 will not accompany Skylake. Hence I do not think the rMB (nor the [edit: 13"] rMBP) will receive TB3 this update.

However, any laptop sold with a mobile Xeon CPU and supporting chipset will have TB3 enabled regardless of whether it is because TB3 has been baked in or whether it is because the external controller is included de facto. [edit: For this reason, I think Apple will go with mobile Xeon processors in the 15" rMBPs.]

 

[mjs402]

According to other tech sites like Anandtech, you are correct. An external TB3 controller will be required to enable TB3 on Skylake-C/S/H chips; otherwise TB3 will not accompany Skylake. Hence I do not think the rMB (nor the [edit: 13"] rMBP) will receive TB3 this update.

However, any laptop sold with a mobile Xeon CPU and supporting chipset will have TB3 enabled regardless of whether it is because TB3 has been baked in or whether it is because the external controller is included de facto. [edit: For this reason, I think Apple will go with mobile Xeon processors in the 15" rMBPs.]

Well, I don't know about that. I mean I HOPE they put the Xeon processor in the 15-inch, but if the 15 inch gets Thunderbolt 3, I am fairly certain the 13 inch will too. If we look at Dell's XPS line, the XPS 12, XPS 13 and XPS 15 all have Thunderbolt 3. The XPS 12 is running on a Core M processor as well so I don't see any reason to not include it on the MacBook 12, MacBook Pro 13 and MacBook Pro 15.

Xeon in the 15 inch rMBP with Thunderbolt 3 and I'll be very happy.

 

[cmChimera]

Apple will likely just use their own controller for TB3.

 

[R3k]

Ok, I sold my 2015 15" today.
Time Machine'd the system over to my 2009 15" and are using that.

Honestly, the 2009 MBP with upgraded SSD and 8gb RAM runs great with El Capitan.

All chips in. I will not feel deprived as I wait.

 

[senthor]

Apple will likely just use their own controller for TB3.

Apple has never used custom Thunderbolt controllers, they always used the stock Intel ones. And we can be sure that an Alpine Ridge controller will be included in both the new 13 and 15'' MBPs, thus providing Thunderbolt 3 (and including DisplayPort 1.2, USB 3.1 gen 2 over USB C…).
Actually, Apple used the same controller for both sizes, even thought there is a "big" (2 ports) and a "small" (1 port) controller available (see here and here). Apple will most likely use the Intel DSL6540 for the upcoming rMBPs.

 

[hfletcher]

It's possible they include 4 TB3 ports on the 15" (4x4 = 16 PCIe lanes) if they use some lanes from the PCH instead of directly from the CPU.
Also, no dGPU means more free PCIe lanes.

Edit: Oops, just realised Skylake-H doesn't have a PCH. That's only on Desktop variants. Does anyone know if 16 lanes is the maximum for the whole device?