Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[Michael Goff]

They can announce it a year or so in advance, and give enough time for the devs to rebuild it for ARM. It's not like x86 will be present for the rest of eternity.

I disagree.

I think x86 is here to stay.

 

[adildacoolset]

I disagree.

I think x86 is here to stay.

So what you're saying is that there is going to be no instruction sets anytime in the future?

 

[Michael Goff]

So what you're saying is that there is going to be no instruction sets anytime in the future?

No.

How could you possibly think that? I'm saying that we're not going to wake up one day and then nobody is using x86. I'm saying that desktops and laptops won't suddenly stop needing x86. I'm saying that professional software will likely not be recompiled to work with something that isn't x86. I could be wrong, but I just don't see any advantage to it.

By the time that ARM gets i-Processor processing power, it'll take i-processor power to run.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

It's so far in the future that it's not even worth speculating. Broadwell is already delayed so presumably it will have a knock-on effect with it's successor.

I am waiting for my Haswell-based rMBP to be delivered so I honestly don't care about Broadwell, Skylake or even Cannonlake right now.

I'm pretty sure they stated that Broadwell's delay will not affect Sky Lake.

 

[argentum47]

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-850-pro-ssd-performance,3861.html

I need to see these on PCIe interface in Skylake MPB

 

[Kiju]

If I can hold out until Skylake I definitely will. I prefer the 'tock' to the 'tick' in the update cycle as I find the microarchitecture updates to be more exciting.

 

[sdimas]

Ok, I predict Macbook Hyper 2089 will have core z9513 1024 PTz (petahertz), 2048 PB (petabyte) of RAM, 1048576 PB GSD (gaseous state drive) and integrated (damn, still no dGPU) graphics card Intel Ulus Pro 520000.

Oh wait, I'll just sit back and enjoy my MBA 13" 2011 and wait until my shipment of rMBP 13" Haswell comes.

Oh gosh.. How I love this forum
And I don't even have my macbook yet
There's some people that I think I would get along very well with on real life

 

[happyfrappy]

DDR4 will be the *best* excuse to wait for if you already own a recent Core i-based Mac/PC. Maybe Apple will wake up to offer 3 USB 3.0 ports

I'm saying that professional software will likely not be recompiled to work with something that isn't x86. I could be wrong, but I just don't see any advantage to it.

By the time that ARM gets i-Processor processing power, it'll take i-processor power to run.

Adobe & Autodesk have tackled image editing/adjustment better on iOS than Android, biggest headache on Android is the gap of ARM performance--Samsung ARM chips are fastest yet IGP performance varies, Qualcomm Snapdragon is better rounded yet lags behind Samsung, nVidia Tegra is great IGP yet weaker CPU, Rockchip like Allwinner ARM processors use Mali IGP yet Allwinner has used PowerVR on some such as their octa-core. If Intel hadn't sold off their high-end XScale ARM processor division to Marvell, you could have seen a hybrid x86+x64+ARM processor... sadly so far only AMD is eying that market via APU x64(no x86)+ARM hybrid(Late 2015/Spring 2016 is their launch goal)

Intel managed to get Baytrail Atom Quads to perform on par with a Core 2 Duo T7500 levels with decent battery life x86/x64 could retain at least 20+ years shelf-life as long as Intel & AMD improve CPU+IGP efficiency. For example a Dell Venue 8 Pro(Win8.1 Tablet) can last up to 8 hours or ~6 hours for most tasks, ARM based Android tablets barely squeak past 3-5 hours at certain tasks due to the overhead(Nexus has zero OEM bloat so battery life is nice, Samsung jams bloat from HP wireless printing/OnTV/Wacom/etc).

 

[unknownfps]

Skylake MBP is definitely worth waiting than Broadwell's because it actually focuses on performances and support for DDR4 RAM, PCI 4.0, and more while Broadwell is just shrinking down the CPU size and less wattage intake.

I'm not sure if Apple will introduce DDR4 RAM on Skylake's MBP tho. But it's definitely a must-get.
I will be using Skylake's MBP until Apple introduces the next-generation MBP.

 

[kupkakez]

I see no problem with waiting for a refresh if it's just a few months away. I mean you could be dead or homeless or some other unfortunate event by the time this even comes around.

Macs hold their value, why not just buy now if it's something you want and just sell it when you want to upgrade to something better. Even Gazelle will give you a decent chunk of coin back on your used Mac.

 

[unknownfps]

Even Gazelle will give you a decent chunk of coin back on your used Mac.

I wouldn't recommend Gazelle because they only pay 40% amount of retail price. It's better off selling it on craigslist, eBay, or anything alike.

 

[kupkakez]

I wouldn't recommend Gazelle because they only pay 40% amount of retail price. It's better off selling it on craigslist, eBay, or anything alike.

Very true, but if you wanted no hassle etc it's still a viable option for those that don't like Craigslist or fleabay and you're at least getting something back.

 

[brdeveloper]

If we are stuck on DDR3 RAM until 2016, those PCIe SSDs will reach almost DDR3 speeds

 

[fatlardo]

Cmon Skylake!

 

[FrozenDarkness]

when do you guys think quad cores will come to the 13.3 incher? I'm waiting patiently for this. Stuff like the razer blade is fitting a quad core AND a 870M in a package SMALLER than the 15" rmbp. I don't see why apple can fit a quad core without discrete graphics into a 13 incher yet.

 

[Michael Goff]

DDR4 will be the *best* excuse to wait for if you already own a recent Core i-based Mac/PC. Maybe Apple will wake up to offer 3 USB 3.0 ports



Adobe & Autodesk have tackled image editing/adjustment better on iOS than Android, biggest headache on Android is the gap of ARM performance--Samsung ARM chips are fastest yet IGP performance varies, Qualcomm Snapdragon is better rounded yet lags behind Samsung, nVidia Tegra is great IGP yet weaker CPU, Rockchip like Allwinner ARM processors use Mali IGP yet Allwinner has used PowerVR on some such as their octa-core. If Intel hadn't sold off their high-end XScale ARM processor division to Marvell, you could have seen a hybrid x86+x64+ARM processor... sadly so far only AMD is eying that market via APU x64(no x86)+ARM hybrid(Late 2015/Spring 2016 is their launch goal)

Intel managed to get Baytrail Atom Quads to perform on par with a Core 2 Duo T7500 levels with decent battery life x86/x64 could retain at least 20+ years shelf-life as long as Intel & AMD improve CPU+IGP efficiency. For example a Dell Venue 8 Pro(Win8.1 Tablet) can last up to 8 hours or ~6 hours for most tasks, ARM based Android tablets barely squeak past 3-5 hours at certain tasks due to the overhead(Nexus has zero OEM bloat so battery life is nice, Samsung jams bloat from HP wireless printing/OnTV/Wacom/etc).

I doubt that the adobe software on the iPad or Android is as powerful as the one you'd be using on the Mac.

 

[iMacmatician]

when do you guys think quad cores will come to the 13.3 incher?

Until quad cores get to the 28 W range we most likely won't be seeing them in the 13.3" MBP. According to this, Skylake is still dual-core only for 28 W, so I would guess that the 13" MBP (or a similar successor) will stay dual-core with Skylake. In addition, there's a possibility that by that time, Apple will use even lower power CPUs for the MBPs.

 

[FrozenDarkness]

Until quad cores get to the 28 W range we most likely won't be seeing them in the 13.3" MBP. According to this, Skylake is still dual-core only for 28 W, so I would guess that the 13" MBP (or a similar successor) will stay dual-core with Skylake. In addition, there's a possibility that by that time, Apple will use even lower power CPUs for the MBPs.

I mean, I suppose it's because Apple really hates to have too many fans, but as I said, there are 14 inchers that have quad core AND a better dedicated card. it just seems like it's an arbitrary requirement on Apple's part.

 

[CASLondon]

You might as well start the "Waiting for my Jetsons Jetpack" thread now

 

[DevAndy]

Brb making Cannonlake 2017 thread.

 

[Sifinity]

now im curious what happens after intel chips become 1nm or less?

 

[Kiju]

now im curious what happens after intel chips become 1nm or less?

We rejoice, then focus our resources on battery technology.


Or you know, just keep shrinking until we get processors that are small enough to power eyelash dwelling nanobots.

 

[Freyqq]

when do you guys think quad cores will come to the 13.3 incher? I'm waiting patiently for this. Stuff like the razer blade is fitting a quad core AND a 870M in a package SMALLER than the 15" rmbp. I don't see why apple can fit a quad core without discrete graphics into a 13 incher yet.

If you read reviews though, it runs ridiculously hot. Not surprising considering its 150 watts total. For reference, the 15" rmbp is 85 watts total.

 

[alex0002]

Rumoured, based on the specs from wikipedia:
- 2015 launch
- Chips will use the 14 nm process node. Expect some decent battery life
- Support for DDR4 memory
- Support for PCIe 4.0

I'm holding out for Memristors.

http://arstechnica.com/information-...-silicon-photonic-computer-within-the-decade/

By 2016, the company plans to have memristor-based DIMMs, which will combine the high storage densities of hard disks with the high performance of traditional DRAM.

 

[FrozenDarkness]

If you read reviews though, it runs ridiculously hot. Not surprising considering its 150 watts total. For reference, the 15" rmbp is 85 watts total.

i mean, my 15" rmbp gets hot too :/

either way, i'm only asking for the quad core , not too sad about graphics.