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Apple's required to maximize shareholder wealth and right now the iPhone is their gravy train. Not the notebook of desktop..


That's brilliant, I didn't think about that.. They can remove bezel and give us 16!!! Love this idea!! Fingers are crossed

No they aren't. There are no statutes of any kind requiring a public company to maximise shareholder wealth or value. It's an oft-repeated fallacy, a myth, a load of utter nonsense. Apple was a public company even when they were failing badly. Michael Dell publicly suggested they liquidate and return funds to shareholders just before their big return. They'd been spunking reams of money on bad products - if they were required to maximise shareholder wealth then (as they must have been if it were true) their board would've been in trouble.

Many public companies' executives will feel the need to try to do that of course but that's typically to make themselves their fortunes, or stave off any threat of replacement by the board or via institutional investors.

So no, they are not some slave beholden only to enrich the stockholders. If they (s/h) don't like what the company are doing at any given time they can raise a concern, call a meeting (if they have enough %age support) or they can simply sell up or shut up.

I see this so much it makes me cringe. If it were the case you'd have execs going to jail on a regular basis for daring to spend R&D money on something that flops afterwards.
 
Yah, I bought it. Pretty decent deal and I needed one for work and writing. If a shiny new Skylake rMBP is released later this year I figure I can sell this one and just eat the difference.
I got a really good deal on the rMBP 15" back in January! check out this screen shot from my reward zone from best buy. But stupid me I sold it thinking there would be an update on March 21st. I sold it for $1800. So after reward certificates I made about $405.
 

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Maybe you should get a PC if you want to play demanding games? Macs are not really made for that.
Not only that, but I don't see the point of arguing about average dGPUs when TB3 will let you put any monster GPU losing only about 20% of its performance, yes, it will be expensive, but if you want a cheaper solution just go back reading my first line. Sorry, but dGPUs are almost dead in laptops, and about to (totally) die in Macbook Pros.
How is that? In your imagination? :) New macbook didn't even appear so we don't know if there will be or not version with dGPU and competition (Asus, Dell) have dGpu options.
 
They will have 2x128 MB with double the bandwidth, because it will work like dual channel. So If we have currently 50GB/s on EDRAM KabyLake will have 100 GB/s. Also this feature can be used for VR as a operating cache for each display, for reduced latency. It will be similar thing for GT3e, however that GPUs will have 2x64 MB of EDRAM with 100 GB/s.

Biggest change in the GPUs of KabyLake is the architecture which without the increased bandwidth on EDRAM brings 20% higher performance in the same core count. I think overall, GT3e and GT4e should be 40% faster than Skylake counterparts.
Thats just funny, increasing bandwith will linerally increase overall perfomarnce? Do you have any proof that iris 580(no benchmarks at all) is bandwidth bottleneck? In my point of view kabylake will be very simillar to skylake as it is only a refresh and is also on 14nm.
 
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I don't know how many times this will have to be repeated. I think we should post it on the beginning of every new page of this thread. There is no GT4e Kabylake CPU planned. The only GT4e enabled part that will launch alongside Kabylake is Skylake-S GT4e for desktop (which will have double the eDRAM), and that CPU will require the Kabylake chipset (a.k.a Intel 200 series). So again, until further notice, we will be stuck with Skylake until Q1 2018, when Cannonlake GT4e is released.

Edit: Here is the article. http://wccftech.com/intel-2016-road...es-10-core-broadwelle-apollo-lake-processors/
It clearly mentions that the GT4e 256MB eDRAM carrying CPU is a new Skylake-S. Compatible only with Intel 200 series chipset. No 45W Kaby Lake GT4e CPUs planned. Which means no KabyLake upgrade for 15" rMBP.
 
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I don't know how many times this will have to be repeated. I think we should post it on the beginning of every new page of this thread. There is no GT4e Kabylake CPU planned. The only GT4e enabled part that will launch alongside Kabylake is Skylake-S GT4e for desktop (which will have double the eDRAM), and that CPU will require the Kabylake chipset (a.k.a Intel 200 series). So again, until further notice, we will be stuck with Skylake until Q1 2018, when Cannonlake GT4e is released.
KabyLake IS Skylake refresh ;).

KabyLake-C is GT4e part. Which is exactly renamed Skylake-S part.
 
KabyLake IS Skylake refresh ;).

KabyLake-C is GT4e part. Which is exactly renamed Skylake-S part.

I am aware of that, it's just that there is a constant stream of people that believe that this new GT4e 256MB eDRAM carrying Kabylake CPU is destined for a 15" rMBP. There is no refresh planned for Skylake GT4 on the mobile side.

Also, to the best of my knowledge, that new Skylake-S will retain Skylake's Gen 9 GPU IP, not Kabylake's 9.5 GPU IP. They will just double the eDRAM.
 
It clearly mentions that the GT4e 256MB eDRAM carrying CPU is a new Skylake-S. Compatible only with Intel 200 series chipset. No 45W Kaby Lake GT4e CPUs planned. Which means no KabyLake upgrade for 15" rMBP.
KabyLake is marketing name for Skylake refresh. Intel has to "justify" problems with new processes so they changed the Tick-Tock to Architecture-Optimization-Process.

Thats how KabyLake has been created ;). The only thing that they can change on optimization is architecture. We have seen first benchmarks for KabyLake/Skylake Refresh GPUs that will be in 5W CPUs for Macbook, and they are 20% faster despite having the same core count. So the optimization has to come from new architecture.
I am aware of that, it's just that there is a constant stream of people that believe that this new GT4e 256MB eDRAM carrying Kabylake CPU is destined for a 15" rMBP. There is no refresh planned for Skylake GT4 on the mobile side.

Also, to best of my knowledge, that new Skylake-S will retain Skylake's Gen 9 GPU IP, not Kabylake's 9.5 GPU IP. They will just double the eDRAM.
Nobody knows that, Intel may change its plans, like they have already did for some things.
 
It's kind of a shame that raw cpu power hasn't drastically improved in the last 5-8 years.

Luckily the iGPU's will see a major boost in power with Iris Pro 580.

Apple is in this weird area. Technology is advancing so much yet they slack behind. Of course to ensure pristine & high quality and durability but it really is just mind blowing with products like the Mac Pro, how it seems as if they really don't care anymore.

I am all for groundbreaking thechnology and the thinner the better, if it still can deliver big power. But it seems that Apple is more focused on comfort and portability rather than what computers actually need to be. Powerful enough to be able to match the average joe's needs AND also be able to perform waayy beyond for heavy users. (They have already catered to the average joe, so show us what you got in store apple!!!)

If they pull a MB design on the Pro's and the internals are not optimal, i will have a VERY hard time trying to justify the purchase of a MacBook Pro.
 
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KabyLake is marketing name for Skylake refresh. Intel has to "justify" problems with new processes so they changed the Tick-Tock to Architecture-Optimization-Process.

Thats how KabyLake has been created ;). The only thing that they can change on optimization is architecture. We have seen first benchmarks for KabyLake/Skylake Refresh GPUs that will be in 5W CPUs for Macbook, and they are 20% faster despite having the same core count. So the optimization has to come from new architecture.

Nobody knows that, Intel may change its plans, like they have already did for some things.
Again I'm aware of what Kabylake is. What I have a gripe with is that people believe that we will have a Kabylake refresh for the 15" rMBP. Unless Intel decides to release a GT4e 45W KabyLake CPU, then we will start talking about a refresh.
 
I do not believe there will not be 45W CPU if ALL THE REST of mobile lineup will be KabyLake refreshed. It is blatantly in your link what you have brought.

Just because WCCFtech is not aware of it, it does not mean that there is no 45W CPU for mobile market.
 
I do not believe there will not be 45W CPU if ALL THE REST of mobile lineup will be KabyLake refreshed. It is blatantly in your link what you have brought.
There are going to be 45W Kabylake CPUs, just not GT4e enabled ones. They will be capped at GT2 for mobile. While desktops will for the first time receive GT4e, but with Skylake's Gen 9 GPU, with double the eDRAM.
 
Well they said 256MB GT4e CPU, so....
It is WCCFTech, clickbait site. They mostly hear where the gongs are ringing, just they do not know in which church, exactly.

If you would ask me, I will say that there will be 45W GT4e CPUs for mobile market. Especially, if all the rest of mobile lineup are refreshed.
 
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It is WCCFTech, clickbait site. They mostly hear where the gongs are ringing, just they do not know in which church, exactly.

If you would ask me, I will say that there will be 45W GT4e CPUs for mobile market. Especially, if all the rest of mobile lineup are refreshed.
We will just have to wait and see.
 
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It's kind of a shame that raw cpu power hasn't drastically improved in the last 5-8 years.

Luckily the iGPU's will see a major boost in power with Iris Pro 580.

Apple is in this weird area. Technology is advancing so much yet they slack behind. Of course to ensure pristine & high quality and durability but it really is just mind blowing with products like the Mac Pro, how it seems as if they really don't care anymore.

I am all for groundbreaking thechnology and the thinner the better, if it still can deliver big power. But it seems that Apple is more focused on comfort and portability rather than what computers actually need to be. Powerful enough to be able to match the average joe's needs AND also be able to perform waayy beyond for heavy users. (They have already catered to the average joe, so show us what you got in store apple!!!)

If they pull a MB design on the Pro's and the internals are not optimal, i will have a VERY hard time trying to justify the purchase of a MacBook Pro.

I'll be gone...but then I'm probably the minority...
 
No they aren't. There are no statutes of any kind requiring a public company to maximise shareholder wealth or value. It's an oft-repeated fallacy, a myth, a load of utter nonsense. Apple was a public company even when they were failing badly. Michael Dell publicly suggested they liquidate and return funds to shareholders just before their big return. They'd been spunking reams of money on bad products - if they were required to maximise shareholder wealth then (as they must have been if it were true) their board would've been in trouble.

Many public companies' executives will feel the need to try to do that of course but that's typically to make themselves their fortunes, or stave off any threat of replacement by the board or via institutional investors.

So no, they are not some slave beholden only to enrich the stockholders. If they (s/h) don't like what the company are doing at any given time they can raise a concern, call a meeting (if they have enough %age support) or they can simply sell up or shut up.

I see this so much it makes me cringe. If it were the case you'd have execs going to jail on a regular basis for daring to spend R&D money on something that flops afterwards.

You don't know what you are talking about, maximizing short term gain and shareholder wealth is the primary objective of private corporations. To think otherwise is just ideologically driven delusion.
 
You don't know what you are talking about, maximizing short term gain and shareholder wealth is the primary objective of private corporations.
source? Is it written somewhere explicitly? Required by law I mean. (Honest question, don't want to start an argument)
 
Wouldn't a WWDC announcement (with release soon after) just be a refresh vs a redesign? A new MacOS that took advantage of fundamentally different hardware would get announced at WWDC and released in the Fall. Now I'd certainly hope for a redesign release in June, I'm just not optimistic.
 
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