Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[j1104638]

IF (and that's a big if) Apple is spitting on the Pro market, I would recommend looking at:

- Lenovo Thinkpad T and P series (for those who need it: Thinkpads also come with very good Linux support)
- Dell XPS / the Precision equivalent of XPS
- Microsoft Surface Book (only for the 13" folks and you should wait for gen 2)

Or getting refurbished 2015 MBP, they aren't bad, just a little bit dated.

- HP Zbook Studio (full quad-core experience, decent dGPU, 15.6", 18mm thin, 2 kg).
[doublepost=1461500674][/doublepost]Ahaha. Stawp it.

If you value MBPs for reasons that many of us do (OS X

Getting ******** and ********. OS X stopped being anything good. The only thing that stops me from using Windows is that *nix command line is first class citizen in OS X and is not in Windows (many might say yet, but I don't see this Linux command line project in Windows maturing enough in the next 2 years). I don't remember anything good they've improved recently. Gosh, in Windows you could at least install even crucial updates while still using laptop and then choose when to reboot, in OS X you have to wait tens of minutes sometimes not being able to use the laptop. It was OK when they updated the whole OS rarely but now, with versions changing a little slower than Google Chrome, that's just plain outrageous.

outstanding display

Go to the non-Apple store and look at other top laptops. Dell has outstanding displays. Microsoft has outstanding displays. HP has outstanding displays. Apple has just decent display at best, that's all, because they haven't done anything about it in years.

[including especially great scaling performance]

lolwut. Somehow display is responsible for scaling. Good catch!

running cool and quiet

I can't say about "cool" as if it's cooler than other laptops or not. For me there are two states of cool: it's either hot or I do not care. And a lot of top laptops share "not hot so I do not care" with rMBP.
And rMBP is not any more quiet than other top laptops. In a sense it's louder because while Johny saved 1 mm of thinness others didn't give a **** about it and used it for airflow. rMBP fans are loud as hell.

supporting a company that values privacy [more than the rest]

Apple does not value privacy any better than its major competitors.

 

[Zellio]

I'm guessing "pro Skylakes" is a reference to the quad core Skylake CPUs with Iris Pro which aren't out yet.

Heh. I don't think Intel GPUs should be considered pro anything no matter how much better they are now

 

[j1104638]

at apple in the first 6 months if you have a problem they exchange and the list go on..

Just wondering if you had any of the Apple -gates (e. g. Radeongate) experiences? I had.
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and your dell is on current tech thats why you can drive 4k. wait for wwdc

Even broken watch is right two times a day.
The issue is that Dell, HP, Lenovo etc are continuously on current tech while Apple "only two times a day".
Waiting for WWDC changes nothing. +- month from WWDC and e. g. HP will release Xeon E3-1545M with Iris Pro in their laptops.

 

[Exile714]

LOL. I hate to tell you but quad core skylakes are in the dells and other laptops

Of course XPS 15 is using Skylake quadcore.

Yeah, I was oversimplifying because I was being lazy and didn't want to explain stuff like L4 caches.

What I probably should have said was: no laptop currently uses the Skylake 6770, 6870 or 6970 CPUs.

The XPS 15 currently uses the 6700, which is the lowest end quad-core Skylake. It's not a bad processor, and the XPS 15 is a great Windows machine, but higher-performance chips are right around the corner for all laptops. I wouldn't want to buy a 6700 Skylake XPS 15 when in two months or less the 6790 version might come out.

You can't wait forever for tech, as something better is always around the corner, but Intel's current release cycle gives a good clue as to when you should upgrade, and that's at the end of the cycle when the best of the best chips come out.

 

[ssong]

@j1104638 RE: display,

I've been eyeing a XPS as a potential option in case Apple doesn't deliver, and although the contrasts and colour ranges are great, the accuracy isn't as good as it could be.

I'm not a professional but I do understand those working in print graphics and design find colour accuracy to be quite important and the delta e values are infinitely better in Macs compared to other PCs.

The only mainstream PC that has comparable values would be the Surface pro 4 and surface book, which only come in 12/13 inch sizes.

So while I agree that for most people the other displays are great (like I said the XPS looks great to me), it's understandable why there still is the general consensus that mac displays are outstanding.

I for one think that the idea of making a display 'seem' more packed through retina, is better than actually packing a display with more pixels like 4K. For the average consumer the difference would be minimal and for those who want more screen estate, probably just want a bigger screen anyways...

 

[pmau]

I've been eyeing a XPS as a potential option in case Apple doesn't deliver

Same here. Apple cuts away too many features and still charges way too much money for a spec I would buy.
End of June, after my vacation and no real MacBooks in the store, my time to switch will have come.

 

[Serban]

Just wondering if you had any of the Apple -gates (e. g. Radeongate) experiences? I had.
[doublepost=1461501354][/doublepost]Even broken watch is right two times a day.
The issue is that Dell, HP, Lenovo etc are continuously on current tech while Apple "only two times a day".
Waiting for WWDC changes nothing. +- month from WWDC and e. g. HP will release Xeon E3-1545M with Iris Pro in their laptops.

based on your posts, you are a troller i guess. Apple could updated the mbp line up BUT (the chips top class i7 from intel are not out there)no other hp dell bla bla has the best in class i7 hd580. If intel want apple to update the MBP for 3 years they can, because apple are waiting for specific specs.

Dell and Hp are on current tech because they don't care what cpu and igpu fit into their products.

 

[pmau]

The issue is that Dell, HP, Lenovo etc are continuously on current tech while Apple "only two times a day".

You are exactly on point. Ignore those who call you a troll.
Every model is behind in tech right now. Even the 5k iMac is way behind current tech besides its display.

 

[Serban]

wait for intel to remove the tick tock, and you will see even the other brands making updates from 2 to 2 years
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You are exactly on point. Ignore those who call you a troll.
Every model is behind in tech right now. Even the 5k iMac is way behind current tech besides its display.

5k imac is behind who at display? troller that don't have money to use them or buy them. There are few who has an all in one as perfect as the 5k imac. So at least be quiet
[doublepost=1461505546][/doublepost]there is not laptop or all in one on the planet that can beat a mac in overall satisfaction and attention to detail to a specific product

 

[ssong]

Same here. Apple cuts away too many features and still charges way too much money for a spec I would buy.
End of June, after my vacation and no real MacBooks in the store, my time to switch will have come.

Yeah pretty much the same thought, I've just been really intent on getting into iOS programming and been trying to learn Swift, but may consider going a more difficult route and learn ObjC instead and use that with xamarin.

Besides for me that's more of something I'm interested in rather than fully committed to. I'm in more dire need of learning python for work..

I just feel I'm a bit deep into the 'Apple way of life' and would rather stay in that bubble..

 

[GioFerrara]

I agree that Windows 10 is awesome and some PC's on the market are great machines. With that sad, that one poster mixed facts with a lot of trolling.

I also want to add that 4K screens in a laptop is a gimmick and a waste of battery life. It's physically impossible to notice in a laptop size screen. Anyone who says otherwise is delusional.

 

[pmau]

5k imac is behind who at display?

No No. Sorry for the bad grammar. The iMac is behind on EVERYTHING EXCEPT the display.

And they charge 4k Euro for a model that will buy you a pre configured MSI Vortex with SLI GTX 980.
(Not that I want one, just a comparison)
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Yeah pretty much the same thought, I've just been really intent on getting into iOS programming and been trying to learn Swift, but may consider going a more difficult route and learn ObjC instead and use that with xamarin.

Besides for me that's more of something I'm interested in rather than fully committed to. I'm in more dire need of learning python for work..

I just feel I'm a bit deep into the 'Apple way of life' and would rather stay in that bubble..

Interesting. I program iOS in Obj-C / Plain C as well and I also program Python on the server side.
Mostly for monitoring and reporting stuff.
I also use Perl for a living.
Everything server side is Intel Solaris or Ubuntu.

I also feel the need to leave the Apple Distortion Field.
I've been buying Apple since 2006 and have seen countless MacBooks, iPhones and iPads.
Somehow it's not attractive to me anymore.

 

[navaira]

- HP Zbook Studio (full quad-core experience, decent dGPU, 15.6", 18mm thin, 2 kg).

There are only two problems with it.

1) Windows.
2) Almost all Windows laptops on the market look either like copies of Macbook or like very ****** attempts at copying a Macbook. This one is in second category.

As I've mentioned, ahem, a few times, I am not a fan of Jony Ive, but my Macbook Air makes this machine look ancient. At least HP Spectre is trying to look different (even if to me it completely fails).

 

[Serban]

No No. Sorry for the bad grammar. The iMac is behind on EVERYTHING EXCEPT the display.

And they charge 4k Euro for a model that will buy you a pre configured MSI Vortex with SLI GTX 980.
(Not that I want one, just a comparison)
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Interesting. I program iOS in Obj-C / Plain C as well and I also program Python on the server side.
Mostly for monitoring and reporting stuff.
I also use Perl for a living.
Everything server side is Intel Solaris or Ubuntu.

I also feel the need to leave the Apple Distortion Field.
I've been buying Apple since 2006 and have seen countless MacBooks, iPhones and iPads.
Somehow it's not attractive to me anymore.

so the imac is no longer behind with the display, tell me with those skylake cpu how far behind are they? or with those 512 or 1T ssd how far behind are they?? or your grammar is still your excuse?
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There are only two problems with it.

1) Windows.
2) Almost all Windows laptops on the market look either like copies of Macbook or like very ****** attempts at copying a Macbook. This one is in second category.

As I've mentioned, ahem, a few times, I am not a fan of Jony Ive, but my Macbook Air makes this machine look ancient. At least HP Spectre is trying to look different (even if to me it completely fails).

trust me that hp has more issues, i found windows not to be one from them
[doublepost=1461506725][/doublepost]i think the most overpriced for what faulty product it is (yes its first generation but still) is the surface book

 

[pmau]

so the imac is no longer behind with the display, tell me with those skylake cpu how far behind are they? or with those 512 or 1T ssd how far behind are they?? or your grammar is still your excuse?

??? Just look at the specs of a decent Skylake Motherboard.

You'll see what I mean. Anyways, I really did not want to argue with you.
The iMac 5k screen is fine, the rest can be bought for a few hundred dollars.

There is nothing in that iMac that is not behind in specs.

 

[Serban]

dell has a nice display with 3 bezel free sides but one big one at the bottom, the base is cheap and not as premium as should be.

 

[snc]

Yeah, I was oversimplifying because I was being lazy and didn't want to explain stuff like L4 caches.

What I probably should have said was: no laptop currently uses the Skylake 6770, 6870 or 6970 CPUs.

The XPS 15 currently uses the 6700, which is the lowest end quad-core Skylake. It's not a bad processor, and the XPS 15 is a great Windows machine, but higher-performance chips are right around the corner for all laptops. I wouldn't want to buy a 6700 Skylake XPS 15 when in two months or less the 6790 version might come out.

You can't wait forever for tech, as something better is always around the corner, but Intel's current release cycle gives a good clue as to when you should upgrade, and that's at the end of the cycle when the best of the best chips come out.

But you know that 6700 and 6770 have the same cpu speed and the difference is iris pro igpu ?

 

[Serban]

??? Just look at the specs of a decent Skylake Motherboard.

You'll see what I mean. Anyways, I really did not want to argue with you.
The iMac 5k screen is fine, the rest can be bought for a few hundred dollars.

There is nothing in that iMac that is not behind in specs.

plz i love to work in all on one, TELL ME SOMETHING BETTER to replace my imac you want this discussion to end? tell me a laptop that can compete OVERALL ( not in just 1 aspect) with any mac and i tell you the differences. I am manager for a strong QA Adobe applications department, so lately i buy for the company to test with my team the apps for a long time many desktop/mobile products and NOT just from apple. apps must work flawlessly on every windows mac and linux system and at all config possible

 

[ssong]

Interesting. I program iOS in Obj-C / Plain C as well and I also program Python on the server side.
Mostly for monitoring and reporting stuff.
I also use Perl for a living.
Everything server side is Intel Solaris or Ubuntu.

I also feel the need to leave the Apple Distortion Field.
I've been buying Apple since 2006 and have seen countless MacBooks, iPhones and iPads.
Somehow it's not attractive to me anymore.

Well for me the primary use of python would be for data analytics, I work for a analytics company and will be starting a degree on that soon and one of the prerequisites is python, so been trying to prep my self. iOS dev is more of a personal hobby haha.

But I agree with you, the distortion field is slightly wearing off of me as well, but I'm kinda finding my place in it now. I've got a iPP that I use as my primary driver atm (I'm in a business function so it's good enough for most tasks) and I'm looking to upgrade from my iP6 to a iPSE mainly because I love the smaller form factor and phone-wise I still prefer iOS over Android.

The only thing that keeps me here is Apple's simplicity in its OSes. I've seen so many Win10 and Android devices that for the most part are good, but the amount of effort it takes to get it to work just the way you want it is just too much.

 

[vlug]

Cant believe I am hearing people say Windows 10 is awesome lol

 

[GioFerrara]

Cant believe I am hearing people say Windows 10 is awesome lol

Why is that? It's the truth and this summer it's only getting better. It makes OSX look very outdated and boring. OSX is still great in itself, but lacks a lot of stuff.

 

[Wowereit]

Why should anybody take the time to give you options?
You've said 'overall', so I guess you will just go with the "It doesn't have OS X" way out of the discussion.

If you can't see how there are other good companies in the Pro market, you just don't want to see it.

 

[Serban]

Cant believe I am hearing people say Windows 10 is awesome lol

trust me, on most products windows 10 is not the issue
[doublepost=1461508490][/doublepost]i mean the latest tested product (not for long because it was some kind of prototype) it was the hp spectre. my god those hinges sound strange and i thought the macbook can be a little hotter under full load (around 98-100F) but this is the ideal JUST for casual using

 

[vlug]

Windows has got better but the GUI is still a mishmash mess, security wise its open to all sorts of issues and I am not a blinded Apple fan boy so moving to a non Apple product doesn't bother me, but going back to Windows will be a downer for me.

 

[j1104638]

based on your posts, you are a troller i guess.

Lol. You've argued none of the many points I made, called me names and still somehow I'm a troll.

About CPU. HP will install Xeon E3-1545M in their Zbook Studio as soon as they become available (they've already announced it) i. e. +-2months from WWDC aka the same time Apple gets them. I. e. WWDC won't get rMBP that much ahead as of CPU (and I'm still hoping for a revolution in other parts of a laptop on WWDC otherwise I would not be here).

But if you look at the current situation, rMBP is outdated and Zbook Studio is not. Zbook Studio does not have Iris Pro, but they have dGPU that is more performant than dGPU rMBPs have and especially more performant than iGPU current rMBPs have.

BTW rumours say Zbook Studio will also be available without dGPU when Iris Pro becomes available in quantities. This is my best backup plan if rMBPs won't get updated or get updated and I don't like it.