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Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

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SCOLANATOR said:
Agreed, absolutely beasted my Mac with gaming since day 1, it's now about 15 months old and the dGPU is rock solid. I also have a good friend with an identical Mac who also games a fair bit on it and she hasn't had a problem either. I'm not worried, I get a free 3 year warranty and even if I didn't it would be covered under the UK's sales of goods act. But I'm itching to upgrade, give me a Skylake i7 and GTX 950M and Apple can happily take my money, will be a day one upgrade for me. Throw in Windows 10 and DirectX 12 and I will be one happy gamer.
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I like this :D

But as much as we can state how poor integrated graphics chips are compared to discrete models, and that will ALWAYS be the case, I'm afraid it may be a dream looking at the direction Apple is going. We'll be lucky if the Skylake 15" MB Pro has a dual core i7 at this rate with Intel Iris Pro, but it will be as thin as a human hair and weigh as much as a feather, to keep the hipsters and Ive happy. :rolleyes: And you may be lucky enough to get a whole TWO USB ports on it, but nothing else...
 
apolloa said:
So you call the guy out for making a generalization comment only to reply by doing the exact same thing. :rolleyes:
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It seems you don't read very carefully. Yixian wrote: "... the fact is, a very large group of buyers clearly are concerned about the GPU performance on their laptops ...." He explicitly claimed it was a fact. On the other hand, I did not claim a fact. I distinctly wrote "It seems ...." So not "the exact same thing."

apolloa said:
And worst it seems you based your reply on evidence from a thread on one internet forum.
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Wrong again. My assertion is based primarily on the fact that Apple have been phasing discrete GPUs out of the MacBook Pro line with no apparent loss of sales and on my perception that this is history repeating itself with yet another case of integration progress and yet another case of luddites claiming that integration is bad, that performance will suffer, that the manufacturers won't integrate previously discrete chips, that customers won't buy a computer unless it has a discrete [fill in the blank, yet again] chip.
 
hey early 2008...

Codeseven said:
I'm one of them, a 2008 MBP daily user. Beat up looking, Cracked screen, swollen battery, semi functional track pad and Superdrive but, (thank God) the damn thing just keeps chugging along. One of the best investments I ever made (well, actually it was a 50th birthday gift from my wife :)). I know I could dump money into it (SSD) but that option should have been exercised while I still planned to keep it for much longer.

I"m dying to finally give it a break and buy something more technologically representative of this century. After all this time I don't want to settle for a Tic (Broadwell) when a Toc (Skylake) is so damn close.

The aggravating wait continues.......... WWDC?
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here!

First, my 2008 is doing fine (on its second logic board). The swollen battery is what is screwing up your trackpad. I had that issue and got a good $35 replacement on Amazon (end of problem).

Took out the working Superdrive to put in a 1 TB drive after adding in a SSD drive on the left side of the laptop.

If you do that, it's a night and day difference. Just like a new machine.
Just say'in. :eek:
 
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This Luddite is extremely unlikely to purchase a replacement 15" MBP if it can't be bought with a discrete GPU. I do play games on mine and the integrated just does not cut it for me.
 
mcarling said:
It seems you don't read very carefully. Yixian wrote: "... the fact is, a very large group of buyers clearly are concerned about the GPU performance on their laptops ...." He explicitly claimed it was a fact. On the other hand, I did not claim a fact. I distinctly wrote "It seems ...." So not "the exact same thing."


Wrong again. My assertion is based primarily on the fact that Apple have been phasing discrete GPUs out of the MacBook Pro line with no apparent loss of sales and on my perception that this is history repeating itself with yet another case of integration progress and yet another case of luddites claiming that integration is bad, that performance will suffer, that the manufacturers won't integrate previously discrete chips, that customers won't buy a computer unless it has a discrete [fill in the blank, yet again] chip.
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Apple only do things for cost, it knows it can sell products at the same price as they are now, that cost them a lot less to make, that's why they will use integrated GPU's, it's business and nothing more, they will make a laptop thinner and sell it as the future when it is just increasing profits. It's incorrect to ever think it's anything else, Apple does NOT exist for it's customers, it exists to maximise it's profits like every single other business does.

But their are a lot of people that won't want integrated graphics. It's not exactly a pro product when it's performance is sacrificed in the name of thinness IMO. You are fooling yourself if you believe an Intel Pro GPU in Skylake would match the latest discrete Nvidia or AMD GPU.

And you did make assumptions like the other guy.
 
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I hate to think what's going to happen to the MacBook Pro when Jony "thinner at all costs" Ive gets to work on a new design.
 
Romanesq said:
here!

First, my 2008 is doing fine (on its second logic board). The swollen battery is what is screwing up your trackpad. I had that issue and got a good $35 replacement on Amazon (end of problem).

Took out the working Superdrive to put in a 1 TB drive after adding in a SSD drive on the left side of the drive.

If you do that, it's a night and day difference. Just like a new machine.
Just say'in. :eek:
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Your absolutely right. Over the last few months I came close to doing those very things you mention. I probably should have already, and I still may, depending on what they announce in June.
 
I believe they will let the new Retina MacBooks get their attention while orders are now starting to ship and people have been seeing them in-store.

By the time WWDC hits, the current 15" should by updated with bumped specs and Force Touch. We won't see Skylake until they update the whole line early 2016 with thinner models and standard USB-C. My 2¢.
 
decisions, decisions

Codeseven said:
Your absolutely right. Over the last few months I came close to doing those very things you mention. I probably should have already, and I still may, depending on what they announce in June.
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Everyone pretty excited with Skylake in the wings. I'd say that expecting an overhaul of the 15" design without taking the 13" along for the ride appears unlikely so early next year for both on that front.

Btw, I also updated the Airport card to N. When I had to check out an issue on the 10.3 upgrade I booted off the 1TB regular hard drive. It was like experiencing death with everything so slow and jammed up.

The SSD universe is a huge difference to the ballgame. :D

Of course, I like many am fascinated and waiting for Wryrake. :rolleyes:
 
Romanesq said:
Everyone pretty excited with Skylake in the wings. I'd say that expecting an overhaul of the 15" design without taking the 13" along for the ride appears unlikely so early next year for both on that front.

Btw, I also updated the Airport card to N. When I had to check out an issue on the 10.3 upgrade I booted off the 1TB regular hard drive. It was like experiencing death with everything so slow and jammed up.

The SSD universe is a huge difference to the ballgame. :D

Of course, I like many am fascinated and waiting for Wryrake. :rolleyes:
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Why's that? MacBook Pro was first updated to the Retina display and new form factor in the 15-inch before the 13-inch with a fair gap in between.
 
My preference then...

mjs402 said:
Why's that? MacBook Pro was first updated to the Retina display and new form factor in the 15-inch before the 13-inch with a fair gap in between.
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...is that Tim Cook hears you and decides to go all in with an all modified newly designed 15" retina with Skylake.

That would be awesome! :apple:
 
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Mr. Orange said:
I believe they will let the new Retina MacBooks get their attention while orders are now starting to ship and people have been seeing them in-store.

By the time WWDC hits, the current 15" should by updated with bumped specs and Force Touch. We won't see Skylake until they update the whole line early 2016 with thinner models and standard USB-C. My 2¢.
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If there will be an updated 15" MBP at 2015 WWDC, then it will have a Broadwell CPU. I agree that we won't see Skylake CPUs in the MBP until 2016.
 
mcarling said:
If there will be an updated 15" MBP at 2015 WWDC, then it will have a Broadwell CPU. I agree that we won't see Skylake CPUs in the MBP until 2016.
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Quad-core Broadwell chips has not been announced yet.
I'm waiting for a Skylake 15" rMBP at 2015 WWDC.
 
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Mr. Orange said:
I believe they will let the new Retina MacBooks get their attention while orders are now starting to ship and people have been seeing them in-store.

By the time WWDC hits, the current 15" should by updated with bumped specs and Force Touch. We won't see Skylake until they update the whole line early 2016 with thinner models and standard USB-C. My 2¢.
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Co-sign - we will have to wait until 2016 for Skylake and a redesign and likely the introduction of USB-C on the rMBP. The question to me is which other ports will Apple include on the next iteration. Will there be USB-A as well as USB-C and I'm presuming Thunderbolt will continue but will HDMI still make it? Knowing Apple they will remove HDMI and then force you to buy a HDMI dongle in order to use it, got to make those $$$ Apple!
 
apolloa said:
Intel's CEO confirmed Skylake will launch this year in January:

http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/79645-intel-skylake-on-track-2015-release/
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No, Intel's CEO did not confirm Skylake will launch this year. That's not what he said. In response to a question about whether or not Intel would deliberately slow down their work on Skylake in order to sell Broadwell for a longer period, Intel's CEO said that they would not slow Skylake down. He also reminded listeners that Intel had previously indicated that Skylake would start shipping in 2015. He did not confirm that it would ship in 2015, nor did he deny it, but he left a lot of wiggle room.
 
mcarling said:
No, Intel's CEO did not confirm Skylake will launch this year. That's not what he said. In response to a question about whether or not Intel would deliberately slow down their work on Skylake in order to sell Broadwell for a longer period, Intel's CEO said that they would not slow Skylake down. He also reminded listeners that Intel had previously indicated that Skylake would start shipping in 2015. He did not confirm that it would ship in 2015, nor did he deny it, but he left a lot of wiggle room.
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You should have read the article I linked to, but here is the quote from the Intel CEO

"We are not going to slow Skylake down. We said it will be a second half of this year. I don’t want to slow it down because it brings a lot of innovation, a lot of new capability to this market." stated Brian Krzanich.

They even state in their financial report they expect to launch it in the second half of 2015. Skylake WILL launch this year.
 
apolloa said:
You should have read the article I linked to, but here is the quote from the Intel CEO

"We are not going to slow Skylake down. We said it will be a second half of this year. I don’t want to slow it down because it brings a lot of innovation, a lot of new capability to this market." stated Brian Krzanich.

They even state in their financial report they expect to launch it in the second half of 2015. Skylake WILL launch this year.
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Doesn't mean the full range will be available though. They could launch a limited range of desktop CPUs, which will be fine for the iMac, but no good for MacBook Pros.
 
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