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Waiting for the 13 inch Retina MacBook Pro

I8P'CS said:
There will be NO RETINA 13" MBP anytime soon!! Why would Apple release New old style 13" only to release thinner ones in a few months!! never going to happen,
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Irrelevant argument. Apple launched an updated version of the legacy MacBook Pro 15" alongside the Retina model ('new old style!!'), there is no reason why they wouldn't do it for the 13".

besides it will still be expensive and carry small SSD.
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A high price tag hasn't stopped consumers from buying the 15" Retina Pro. The estimated wait has gone from 5-7 days up to 2-3 weeks now. I have no doubt that a 13" Pro similar to the 'next-gen 15"' will sell extremely well.
And they were able to get 512GB into a MacBook Air, why do you think they wouldn't be able to put it in an even fatter model?? :confused:

Expect 13 retina MBP in 2-3 years.
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Source?

Seriously some of you need to think hard before making these threads
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Pot, meet kettle. :rolleyes:
 
I8P'CS said:
There will be NO RETINA 13" MBP anytime soon!! Why would Apple release New old style 13" only to release thinner ones in a few months!! never going to happen, besides it will still be expensive and carry small SSD.

Expect 13 retina MBP in 2-3 years. Seriously some of you need to think hard before making these threads
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lolwut. Why would Apple release "New old style" 15" only to release thinner ones at the same time.

And expensive is relative. And even if the SSD starts at 128 (though why wouldn't it start at 256 like the 15in?), it'll surely be upgradeable (BTO or third party).

And really? 2-3 years? When the technology is already present and the screen would actually be easier to make?

The only issue I'd imagine them having is space. If you take a look at the 15in internals, that thing is packed. So there're plenty of tradeoffs to be had and a plethora of design work to be done. They're probably messing around with the cooling system a lot too, while trying to keep the whole thing capable of 7 hours battery. It's an engineering feat, no doubt, but certainly not 2-3 years.

In 2-3 years, my MBP should be screenless and have a hologram display and be able to fly me to class and teleport me to Hawaii.
 
Krazy Bill said:
My take? (Yeah, I know you're all waiting for it). The MBP13 and MBA13 will die. (As well as the legacy 15). Think about it...

Too many freaking unibody shapes in the mix right now. It's cluttering up Apple's product line and the factory toolers at Foxconn are going nuts. When it's all said and done, we will have an Air (11"), a MacBook (13") and of course the model introduced today, a MacBook Pro (15").
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I think you might be on to something with that. Nice guess!
 
You guys realize that a 13 inch MacBook air with retina is essentially what you are clamoring for right. They made it pretty clear that the pro is following the air, and with the enviable bump in resolution they will just kill off the 13 inch Mbp entirely.

While the screen on the air isn't retina right now it is as close as you can get in the 13 inch laptop realm. I'm seriously torn between grabbing the new supercharged 13 MBA, and the newly refreshed Mbp.
 
mellofello said:
You guys realize that a 13 inch MacBook air with retina is essentially what you are clamoring for right. They made it pretty clear that the pro is following the air, and with the enviable bump in resolution they will just kill off the 13 inch Mbp entirely.

While the screen on the air isn't retina right now it is as close as you can get in the 13 inch laptop realm. I'm seriously torn between grabbing the new supercharged 13 MBA, and the newly refreshed Mbp.
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please dont say such things,you are scaring me....been waiting for 13"retina mbp for more than a year
 
mellofello said:
You guys realize that a 13 inch MacBook air with retina is essentially what you are clamoring for right. They made it pretty clear that the pro is following the air, and with the enviable bump in resolution they will just kill off the 13 inch Mbp entirely.

While the screen on the air isn't retina right now it is as close as you can get in the 13 inch laptop realm. I'm seriously torn between grabbing the new supercharged 13 MBA, and the newly refreshed Mbp.
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seems completely plausible, if they apply the "new macbook pro retina" treatment to a macbook pro 13" you essentially get a mba with retina.
no more ethernet, fw800, soldered ram, proprietary flash drive.
Only difference is the kind of processor power you can put in it(17W tdp for air vs 35w for pro 13").
so obvious evolution would be either retina in a slightly beefed up air a new 13" with the 15" retina design, both wouldn't coexist for long (like macbook and macbook pro 13")
 
Just ordered the 15" Retina and will have to sell it once the 13" Retina arrives. They are worse than crack dealers!
 
mellofello said:
You guys realize that a 13 inch MacBook air with retina is essentially what you are clamoring for right.
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The things that could differentiate a 13 inch pro and 13 inch air:

- Retina display
- Faster processor (not ULV)
- More IO (Dual Thunderbolt, HDMI)
- More RAM supported (16GB)
- Larger SSDs supported
- Possibly better graphics

Will Apple want to make one though? I have no idea.
 
samac92 said:
The things that could differentiate a 13 inch pro and 13 inch air:

- Retina display
- Faster processor (not ULV)
- More IO (Dual Thunderbolt, HDMI)
- More RAM supported (16GB)
- Larger SSDs supported
- Possibly better graphics

Will Apple want to make one though? I have no idea.
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Oh they definetly will make one. The question is when.
 
mellofello said:
You guys realize that a 13 inch MacBook air with retina is essentially what you are clamoring for right. They made it pretty clear that the pro is following the air, and with the enviable bump in resolution they will just kill off the 13 inch Mbp entirely.

While the screen on the air isn't retina right now it is as close as you can get in the 13 inch laptop realm. I'm seriously torn between grabbing the new supercharged 13 MBA, and the newly refreshed Mbp.
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I'm in the same boat now. I'm just not willing to throw upwards of $2K at a laptop right now - regardless of how good it is.

If they use a similar design on the new 13" MBP as they did for the new 15", maybe they can fit a dGPU in the new 13" MBP? It will be slightly larger than the 13" Air form factor so that is one difference, but if you can add retina and a dGPU, people will be able to see a more difference between the two lines.

Thoughts on a dGPU fitting in a redesigned 13" MBP?
 
Blu-Ray said:
I'm in the same boat now. I'm just not willing to throw upwards of $2K at a laptop right now - regardless of how good it is.

If they use a similar design on the new 13" MBP as they did for the new 15", maybe they can fit a dGPU in the new 13" MBP? It will be slightly larger than the 13" Air form factor so that is one difference, but if you can add retina and a dGPU, people will be able to see a more difference between the two lines.

Thoughts on a dGPU fitting in a redesigned 13" MBP?
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With all proprietary components and design, they might be able to work. After all, that new Asus and the (admittedly quite heavy) m11x do pack a lot into a small frame without being nearly as ground-up as the new MacBook internals.
 
ScholarsInk said:
With all proprietary components and design, they might be able to work. After all, that new Asus and the (admittedly quite heavy) m11x do pack a lot into a small frame without being nearly as ground-up as the new MacBook internals.
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If they can do this, I predict that it will become the most popular laptop sold by :apple:.
 
is there a chance that they could add in HDD in any of these retina display models instead of SSD or is a HDD to big for the design? SSD is one of the biggest contributers to the high price tag and for me at least 256gb is just too small.
 
Havok83 said:
is there a chance that they could add in HDD in any of these retina display models instead of SSD or is a HDD to big for the design? SSD is one of the biggest contributers to the high price tag and for me at least 256gb is just too small.
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I believe that the smallest HDD made is 2.5" which doesn't fit in the redesign form factor.
 
ScholarsInk said:
They did the 15" first thing for Unibody as well, though, before extending to the rest of the line.
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Kind of, they made a 13 inch and 15 inch model and then later updated the 17 inch
 
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samac92 said:
But the 13 inch pro is Apple's best selling Mac, there is definitely a market for a more powerful 13 inch.
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Heh. That's what people thought about the MBP17. :D

I would think the "soon to be" just plain 13" MacBook will be on par performance-wise. Hell, how can they screw it up? It will still use HD graphics like the current MBP13 does now and there's plenty of engineering from the current 13" Air that can just be ported over.

Paring Apple's laptop offerings down to only 3 really makes each one stand on its own with unique features the others don't have (mainly the screen size). The 13" MacBook will still be the #1 seller.

As a current MBP13 owner I have no problems if they meld the Air/MBP into a single offering. My only concern is the thing will not be upgradeable. :(
 
Why wait?

Well, I will not wait for a 13" Retina MBP. I'll just take the current '12 13" MBP.

I guess the new 13" retina will come with either 128gb ssd or maybe 256gb ssd. If I have learned about apple strategies... Then I guess they will take just 128gb for the low end 13" retina and 256gb for the high end version which will be upgradeable to 512gb(or 768gb). But don't forget that we'll not be able to change the ssd by our own like the current MBP???
I don't like to pay 1000€ for an ssd upgrade to 512gb which I could get for about 500€ or maybe even cheaper.

The next point is that this gadget will have a price equivalent to at least the current high end 13" MBP. I bet it'll be around that.

If that happens the 13" retina MBP will be overpriced MBA with retina. That's all.

But hey. Now there's a new question:
What will happen to the 13" MBA if the new 13"retina is just slightly more expensive than the MBA??? Either they just kill the MBA or I don't know what they could or would do...
 
I'm going to guess the 13 inch will be introduced along with an Ivy Bridge iMac (and maybe Mac Mini) later this year. They don't necessarily have to hold an event, the last time the iMacs were redesigned (and they were significant redesigns) they were just released with only a PR.
 
I'm caught between buying a 13" Air right now and waiting for the "new new" 13" Pro. The current 13" Pro leaves me totally cold between the ODD, HDD, absurdly low-rez-for-the-price screen, and horrible thermals.

Am I wrong to assume that any 13" Retina Pro, which I'm sure is coming within the next few months anyway, will necessitate discrete graphics to handle the resolution? That should push its price well north of the current integrated Pro.
 
stewacide said:
I'm caught between buying a 13" Air right now and waiting for the "new new" 13" Pro. The current 13" Pro leaves me totally cold between the ODD, HDD, absurdly low-rez-for-the-price screen, and horrible thermals.

Am I wrong to assume that any 13" Retina Pro, which I'm sure is coming within the next few months anyway, will necessitate discrete graphics to handle the resolution? That should push its price well north of the current integrated Pro.
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I highly doubt it will come within the next few months, but when it does it definitely will have updated graphics to handle the resolution and we can assume that it will probably be priced $1500-1600

And let's not forget SSD will also be standard. $1500 would fall perfectly within my price range.
 
Do you realize that legacy MBP 15" will cost $2399 when upgrading to 8GB RAM and 256GB SSD, as compared to MBP 15" Retina which cost only $2199 with the same spec? Not to mention the Retina panel is rumored to cost additional $150. Anyone who know mathematic know that this doesn't add up. I can think of 2 reasons :
1. Apple is trying to set a new price point for MBP, which is a 'win-win' i.e. Apple is getting higher profit from higher price, while we get higher spec.
2. Apple is using this as a transition period to 'educate' consumers to ditch ODD and HDD, and go for SSD.

If this argument is right, and everything goes as Apple wishes, we should see legacy MBP 13" and 15" being killed next year, and MBP Retina 13" and 15" take a new price point of ~$1499 and $2199. Those who're not willing to go for this price point will have to go for MBA, which is at $999 and $1199.

Does this make sense? I'm still with Kuo who predict MBP 13" Retina will come in August, and MBP streamlined next year.
 
Krazy Bill said:
Heh. That's what people thought about the MBP17. :D

I would think the "soon to be" just plain 13" MacBook will be on par performance-wise. Hell, how can they screw it up? It will still use HD graphics like the current MBP13 does now and there's plenty of engineering from the current 13" Air that can just be ported over.

Paring Apple's laptop offerings down to only 3 really makes each one stand on its own with unique features the others don't have (mainly the screen size). The 13" MacBook will still be the #1 seller.

As a current MBP13 owner I have no problems if they meld the Air/MBP into a single offering. My only concern is the thing will not be upgradeable. :(
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The difference is that the 17" was not selling well. The 13" MBP is the best selling Mac model by quite a margin.
 
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