I agree. That seems to go against Apple's usual perfectionism. Why not default to @2x scaling like the previous models? If they are trying to give the impression that the new displays have more pixels, that's a pretty cheap way of doing it...
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Nonsense. At those pixel densities, linear downscaling of a super-sampled image has no loss of quality versus a native-rendered one. If anything, the quality is better — precise because of the super-sampling. And sure, a 3360x2100 would more accurately represent the downscaled image (6720x4200 would represent it even MORE accurately etc.) but at some point one just needs to stop. What is the purpose of increasing the resolution further and further if its not a difference your brain can register? There are more interesting areas where IQ can be improved: individual pixel contrast (HDR), wider gamut, higher refresh rates etc.
I would be amazed and appalled if they do not rationalize the air/pro line at the next iteration. Currently its too complicated and non-sensical.
I'm planning to wait for Ice Lake as well. From what I've read it sounds like Ice Lake will be the real leap in tech. These features may be part of cannonlake as well, but specifically I'm waiting for:
- architecture fixes for Spectre and Meltdown (I don't want to spend $2k+ on something with a known vulnerability)
- Display Port 1.4 (allows for single cable driving of a 5k monitor at 60Hz)
I sorta assumed Cannonlake would not have the Spectre or Meltdown issue - sorta lame if they release those new chips with the bug
the issue with the 2017 keyboard does not bother me....the trackpad tho is too large and you get lots of false readings. it makes no sense why they made it so big and I hope we see it shrink down or change in some other fashion.
I've seen reports that the architecture fixes will be starting with Cannonlake, but nothing has been confirmed. Hopefully they are ready asap.
I just like 1 pixel to be 1 pixel, not 0.875 pixel or something.
The brain is perfectly able to see the problems arising from running suboptimal resolutions.
https://bjango.com/articles/macexternaldisplays/
Looking at the Buyer’s Guide timeline of releases, since 2012, there has been more than 300 days between releases only once (the time between 2015 and 2016 MBPs was 527 days). On one hand this makes me optimistic that we could see the 2018 MBP before WWDC, but then again, given the Intel situation AND the keyboard problems, it may be foolish to expect an update before the summer.
With both H-series and 28W U-series Intel CPUs already leaked multiple times, they could actually be announced any day now. As soon as these chips are available, there's no reason to wait any longer. If Apple couldn't fix the keyboard in the past 16 months, a few months more might not help either.
You are out of luck then, 1 pixel has been 0.5 pixels for quite some time now... And now we are even moving away from pixels as a concept (which is only there because the technology until today was too course to represent images properly).
Do you have any reference on this other than a 300% magnified pictures on a mystery display? Of course you'd see artefacts when you zoom really close, thats how linear filtering works. Traditional (non retina) monitors have even less samples and lose even more information, unless you design specifically for that sampling grid. The question is not which pixels show what, the question is whether a human can see a difference or not. The very point of retina resolution is that you stop caring about pixels alltogether. As it happened to printers long time ago.
The 2016s were delayed though, meaning they were probably due to launch Summer 2016 originally - so that would fit into a pattern of summer launches from 2014 to date... before I realised that I thought spring, but I'm now tending to think WWDC is more likely. With macOS really scraping the barrel feature wise, hardware gives them something else to talk to devs about at their keynote too!
The downsampling from 3360x2100 to 2880x1800 does reduce quality, and it produces overhead due to the the downsampling. I'd pay extra for the higher resolution display.
So is there actual hard evidence that Apple will put quad core processors inside the 13” MacBook Pro with Touch Bar and 6 cores inside the 15”? Not sure if this will happen at WWDC or later in the year.
How do you know they were delayed in 2016? Also MacOS won’t be scraping the barrel feature wise they will probably have plenty to talk about including the rumoured “Marzipan” where IOS apps will run on the Mac. Just because Mac’s were announced at last years WWDC doesn’t mean they will be at this years, in fact last year was probably a one off as WWDC is usually software based for developers.
Quads in the 13" are pretty much a given as all U series 8h gen chips so far have been quad and there's no indication that will change for the 28W chips or the 15W with Iris graphics.
Hexacore chips are likely, though the full lineup isn't yet known, and the G chips with the integrated radeon graphics are still an option (though seemingly less so now than was originally speculated)
There was the analysts note that they were pushed back because 'the battery failed a key test'. I'm speculating on the exact amount of time they were pushed back by, but a few months from June to October doesn't seem wildly implausible.
Actually, WWDC has often had hardware announcements in tow - '14, '15 and '16 look to be more exception than rule. That's certainly some meat for them to go on this year, but the trend is definitely downwards overall. Look back at the sort of things they were announcing in ~2007 vs 2017.
I haven't bothered to look recently but has something changed with the 15w chips from Intel?? Last I knew the only forthcoming 15w Intel chip with Iris was a dual core 8th gen slated for later this year.
I haven't seen anything to suggest dual core 8th gen chips at all?
I previously read numerous different links to the 15w dual core with Iris.. As far as I read previously Intel has zero plans for a Quad core 8th gen 15w with Iris.
I'll look later for a few links and post them.
Edit: Can't find the links now my Google-Foo must be failing me. I look again later and if I find them I'll post them up...
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So bigger jumps spec wise for the 13” and 15” MacBook Pro’s with Touch Bar this year than last years models? I personally hope you are right and we see announcements at WWDC again, I’m due an upgrade from my 2011 MacBook Pro and a quad core 13” or 6 core 15” would probably be worth the jump for me. I’ve been keeping an eye on the rumours for the MacBook Air but if all they are going to do is drop the price and add a couple of new spec updates I will probably pick up a more powerful MacBook Pro.
If this happens, where does that leave 13" non-tb pro?
I haven't seen any hard evidence but it's a very logical upgrade and mirrors what Apple competitors are doing.
Maybe they will update those with slightly better processors, what’s really interesting is an interview I found with Craig who says that the 13” none Touch Bar is aimed at those who would otherwise buy an Air, it’s interesting with this new rumour/report that Apple will release an updated Air.
Skip to 4:06 and you’ll see what I mean