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For me? No.

At home my MBP is docked hooked up to a display and several peripherals. Sometimes I move it to the living room to work there.
Then I grab it... and take it to work at my workplace. Don't wanna juggle two computers. Having an exact duplicate of files and apps is just not my thing. At work... I dock it.

Then like 2-4x a month on average... sometimes a lot more often, I have to take said computer to present at potential customers of ours. Demonstrating a large product database software that likes to eat RAM for breakfast (as it is meant to run on servers... but you cannot bring these to product demonstrations).

So at the end of the day... I need a really powerful computer... with lots of RAM... that is portable. While at the same time... not needing a 10hr battery.

Fully understand and in your use case it's entirely justified. Whether you're gonna get that from Apple anytime soon though.. who knows. Maybe they'll go down the iMac Pro path with the Macbooks too. Macbook Pro Pro someday. Until then, if the current one isn't good enough there's always Windows. Sucks to be forced into it, but if you require it for work.. :)
 
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Fully understand and in your use case it's entirely justified. Whether you're gonna get that from Apple anytime soon though.. who knows. Maybe they'll go down the iMac Pro path with the Macbooks too. Macbook Pro Pro someday. Until then, if the current one isn't good enough there's always Windows. Sucks to be forced into it, but if you require it for work.. :)

Nah. I'll keep running my 2011 17" MBP for now. My tasks rely basically only on RAM. So it's not worth upgrading now. The rest of my (as in were I work... I don't own it :D ) company is actually Windows based. And I considered getting an XPS15 or similar. At the end of the day though... I find Windows EXTREMELY lacking. I detest working with it. And a million things are missing that I rely on heavily. So at the end of the day... I gotta wait.
No matter which features an XPS would give me over the MBP (and I can think of a couple) macOS > Windows.
 
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My hope is that the Touch Bar is removed. I don't need it, and I don't want it. It's not "Pro", it's a gimmick.
Yes, hopefully in the reintroduction of the future MBP 17" models. I'm going to purchase a 17" Apple MBP, even if it's an old model. 15" is not a good fit for me. My 17" PB is still kicking.
 
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I don't think we'll ever see another 17", but you never know... I wouldn't have predicted the iMac Pro, and 17" workstation laptops disappeared almost entirely on the PC side for several years when there were no 17" screens beyond 1920x1080 sRGB available, then reappeared with 4K and sometimes wide-gamut displays. There were always 17" gaming laptops, and Dell may have had one 17" Precision that offered only low-end screens, but Lenovo and HP had left the 17" business, and Dell was concentrating on 15" - then the current generation of 17" IGZO screens appeared.
 
Can we hope for touch ID to be integrated "in" the touchbar and not on some button next to it ? It would be more seamless. If it is done in the iPhone this fall, can we expect it for the early MBP refresh ?
 
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Can we hope for touch ID to be integrated "in" the touchbar and not on some button next to it ? It would be more seamless. If it is done in the iPhone this fall, can we expect it for the early MBP refresh ?

Doubtful. They usually don't alter the design so quickly, and it's also the power button so that kind of has to be hardware.
 
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I am up for waiting. I have a 2015 15" with dgpu. By the time they new processor my system will be a 3 year old model, and I will be ready for a new system. And we will be on gen 3 of the new design so most of the kinks should be worked out.
 
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is the 2018 macbook pro suppose to have official VR support?
or will the 2017 macbook pro officially supported by VR?

Only in the 15" if the video card is good enough. Remember that right now only the Radeon Pro 580 with 8 GB of vRAM in the top level 27" iMac can do VR work.
 
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Yes, hopefully in the reintroduction of the future MBP 17" models. I'm going to purchase a 17" Apple MBP, even if it's an old model. 15" is not a good fit for me. My 17" PB is still kicking.
dude i have my 17 inch lying around and needed a mac since the public beta killed my 15 inch one...
that screen is still incredible.
there is no reason for them not to do a 17 now that graphics cards can support retina 17 inch
 
dude i have my 17 inch lying around and needed a mac since the public beta killed my 15 inch one...
that screen is still incredible.
there is no reason for them not to do a 17 now that graphics cards can support retina 17 inch

There is a reason. They won't sell enough of them to make money.
 
is the 2018 macbook pro suppose to have official VR support?
or will the 2017 macbook pro officially supported by VR?

No...and never will. Apple is simply not interested in powerful laptop/desktop replacement. It is a pity because nVidia proved that you can do powerful laptops even in a compact shell...

Limiting power supply to USB-C and pushing for thinness is the last nail on this coffin.

Their concept for "mobile" VR is eGPU.
 
Since nobody want to use vr on the go, eGpu is the way to go for mobile.
Desktops wise imacs are coming close,probably the new mac pro also
 
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For me the dream is:

- Not a clicky toy like keyboard.
- No touchbar. A power user mostly uses shortcuts anyway. This just drains power and removes the f and esc keys..
- 32gb ram
- quad core hyper threaded 13".. I'd be docked mostly anyway, so the portability when not docked is nice. This seems to be a limitation with all 13" at the moment. Coffee lake pls?
 
For me the dream is:

- Not a clicky toy like keyboard.
- No touchbar. A power user mostly uses shortcuts anyway. This just drains power and removes the f and esc keys..
- 32gb ram
- quad core hyper threaded 13".. I'd be docked mostly anyway, so the portability when not docked is nice. This seems to be a limitation with all 13" at the moment. Coffee lake pls?

Can they hyperthread a low-voltage quad is the question? It will be a bit interesting with Coffee Lake-U vs. H which is predictable.
 
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Can they hyperthread a low-voltage quad is the question? It will be a bit interesting with Coffee Lake-U vs. H which is predictable.
I'm not sure how how HT impacts thermal efficiency. I'm more concerned about clock speed being too low in these new 4c8t low voltage CoffeeLake cpus. What if they throttle hard under load? Or maybe they have a low frequency, similar to the 2.2Ghz in the 2015 15 inch.
We will get quad core U cpus next year, and also 6 cores for the H, but the question is how feasible they are for the current design of the MBPs (both 13 and 15)? Will the battery life have to suffer? will they throttle faster when under heavy load?
The benchmarks atm are just pure performance related, "that new 4 core U series CFL has 30% more performance than a 2 core 7200U"(or whatever the proc... I don't remember it now). I'd say we need more info to get the 4core 13 inches ball going forward :)
 
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- Not a clicky toy like keyboard.
Agree on the keyboard, but the butterfly keyboard is apple's baby, they invented it, I don't see them turning their back on that technology, but rather refining and improving it.

- No touchbar. A power user mostly uses shortcuts anyway. This just drains power and removes the f and esc keys..
If they start offering more models w/o TB I think that will most likely pour cold water on any desire to write programs for it. Its fairly niche now, if Apple makes it even more niche, there's a greater chance that developers will not spend the time, effort and money to leverage it. Apple was pushing this hard, so I think we'll see more models with it, not less.

- 32gb ram
32GB - this seems to be another hot button topic, I personally don't need it, and I suspect its probably not needed that much but its on the forefront of people's complaints on the current model.

quad core hyper threaded 13".. I'd be docked mostly anyway, so the portability when not docked is nice. This seems to be a limitation with all 13" at the moment. Coffee lake pls?
Quad core 13" probably won't happen, there are currently laptops running with quod core processors, so its not a technical reason.
 
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I hear that the 2022 MacBooks will be spectacular who's in :eek:
Yeah cause it's like "Let start the Waiting for the 2017 MBP" and then boom there it is, before the thread even got a chance to snowball, now you're going: "Waiting for the 2018 MBP." Next thing you know boom that will be here...

I think the moral of the story is STOP WAITING, and Start Doing... :D I am getting the 2017 around August 20th or so...budgets an all... but the Keyboard on the 2017, I never even got to see the 2016 haha, is amazing to me.

I went in a few days before the 2016 was at the Apple Store, and then I never went back to check, was busy working, next thing you know 2017 is in stores! So, I go this time and they had the 2017 in stock, and my yeah, I like that CLACK of the keyboard, I'm down with it...

Good Luck with the 2018, 2019 etc...oh and 2022 :p

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Actually, wanna hear something crazy? I got this urge to just get like a "$700 PC laptop" that every body says is out there and is SOO much cheaper and better than the MacBook Pros. WHERE?!?! There aint no damn PC that are $700 or even $1000 even close to the MacBook Pro!

The closest thing I found, was the Lenova Yoga for $1200, http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-...state-drive-dark-grey/5723422.p?skuId=5723422

but this thing, can't use a stylus, has only 8GB of ram, does only 1080p with just an integrated GPU?! wtf, and if you keep looking there is nothing else but junk, unless you pony UP (MacBook Pro money) for a Razor or something?

I mean it's crazy I was laughing so hard cause I wanted an Ubuntu/Windows machine, and so many guys in past posts, kept saying that there are so many CHEAP PC Laptops, THERE AREN'T, just STRAIGHT AREN'T ANY... so I said forget this I would rather put the $1200 towards a new MacBook Pro... and this is where I am...gees

It's like so many PC guys say oh but you can buy a $600 pc blah blah blah, and it's like well why don't you BUY one? Cause they always end up getting the $1700-2000 Thinkpads or whatever 16GB of RAM model the think is good...but they point at those stupid 4GB and 8GB CHEAP PCs as if those are capable machines... and then scoff at MBP prices, losers...(I was laughing)
 
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Listen, there are certain years/models that stand out as better values or upgrades.

For example, the 2013 Hawsell upgrade was one of them (which I own). It gave substantially better battery life and graphic improvements.

The 2014 models was just Haswell 2.0, and 2015 Broadwell upgrade was good but didn't bring that much more to the table either.

The 2016 Skylake redesign had major improvement, but the battery life, long delay into the life of the Skylake processor, early graphics issues, port removals and price increases were a problem.

The 2017 Kaby Lake models look great, but the battery isn't improved and the pricing is still the same, ports etc...

The 2018 rumors with Coffee Lake which would finally allow for a quad-core 13" machine (and 6-core 15" machine) could be one of those major upgrades (or better battery life).

So lets not pretend certain years to upgrade aren't better than others.

***If you need a machine for work or your machine dies, then yes, no point in waiting*** but if you have to actually budget money and decide when to buy then there is nothing wrong with analyzing which years have more value for their money.
 
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So lets not pretend certain years to upgrade aren't better than others.

***If you need a machine for work or your machine dies, then yes, no point in waiting*** but if you have to actually budget money and decide when to buy then there is nothing wrong with analyzing which years have more value for their money.

Oh, I won't pretend that at all, with Apple and MACs there are DEFINITELY PRIME YEARS, that are so good to "jump" in...
 
Listen, there are certain years/models that stand out as better values or upgrades.

For example, the 2013 Hawsell upgrade was one of them (which I own). It gave substantially better battery life and graphic improvements.

The 2014 models was just Haswell 2.0, and 2015 Broadwell upgrade was good but didn't bring that much more to the table either.

The 2016 Skylake redesign had major improvement, but the battery life, long delay into the life of the Skylake processor, early graphics issues, port removals and price increases were a problem.

The 2017 Kaby Lake models look great, but the battery isn't improved and the pricing is still the same, ports etc...

The 2018 rumors with Coffee Lake which would finally allow for a quad-core 13" machine (and 6-core 15" machine) could be one of those major upgrades (or better battery life).

So lets not pretend certain years to upgrade aren't better than others.

***If you need a machine for work or your machine dies, then yes, no point in waiting*** but if you have to actually budget money and decide when to buy then there is nothing wrong with analyzing which years have more value for their money.

I think a good compromise is to buy a 2017 model now and sell it after using it for a year or until the new 2018 model arrives. I would love the 2018 MacBook Pro but can't wait that long so I might just spend $200-300 a year for using the 2017.
 
I think a good compromise is to buy a 2017 model now and sell it after using it for a year or until the new 2018 model arrives. I would love the 2018 MacBook Pro but can't wait that long so I might just spend $200-300 a year for using the 2017.
this is the best way to approach it. Get the use and upgrade. No point waiting !
 
I think a good compromise is to buy a 2017 model now and sell it after using it for a year or until the new 2018 model arrives. I would love the 2018 MacBook Pro but can't wait that long so I might just spend $200-300 a year for using the 2017.

this is the best way to approach it. Get the use and upgrade. No point waiting !

This is what I have done in the past. However Apples € pricing is gone so high now, that they no longer hold their resale value as before - so this approach is no longer viable for me.
 
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