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In the article it says „mobile RAM“ , lets just hope maybe Intel surprises us!
There are different types of mobile RAM.
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Do any of them ship with 64GB? Intel says 64GB is supported.

Anyway, despite 9to5mac’s claim, we still don’t know that it’s true. It could very well be that they blew it, and 32/64GB is only when using DDR4. Or 9to5mac scooped everyone, and got it right that 32GB of LPDDR3 is now a supported configuration.

But we know one thing for sure: Intel reworked the memory controller, since they now support a 64GB max RAM config. We’ll get clarification soon I’m sure.
Even 7th Gen Kaby Lake mobile processors support 64 GB. This is not new. You’ll find this chip — which supports 64 GB RAM — in the 2017 MacBook Pro:

https://ark.intel.com/products/97462/
 
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There are different types of mobile RAM.
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Even 7th Gen Kaby Lake mobile processors support 64 GB. This is not new. You’ll find this chip — which supports 64 GB RAM — in the 2017 MacBook Pro:

https://ark.intel.com/products/97462/
True, some mobile processors have already supported 64GB of DDR4.

But 9to5mac clearly states that these coffee lake processors “address one common complaint of MacBook Pro owners: that RAM is limited to 16GB.” They also talk about how desktop RAM draws too much power, and then conclude with “The new chip supports 32GB of mobile RAM.”

I’m not sure which type of mobile RAM you think they’re referring to if not LPDDR3, but it’s clear 9to5mac thinks these Coffee Lake processors address the current 16GB limit.

Anyway, either 9to5mac blew it, or they have a scoop. Either these new processors address the 16GB max complaints, or they do not. I wish Intel’s ARK had the 8th generation H-series datasheets available from their link so I could look it up!

Personally, I don’t think the 16GB max will be addressed until Intel supports LPDDR4. Which means later this year with the rumored release of Cannon Lake Y series CPUs, and for the MBP with Ice Lake, whether that ends up being next year or 2020–depending on how fast Intel ramps their 10nm process.
 
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I wonder if Apple will not offer 2 15” mbp
1 with 16 gb ram with up to 10-11 h battery usage
Second with 32gb ram with up to 6 h battery usage
 
I wonder if Apple will not offer 2 15” mbp
1 with 16 gb ram with up to 10-11 h battery usage
Second with 32gb ram with up to 6 h battery usage

Doubtful. PCB redesign and SKU cost just for a niche option on a relatively niche size (I think more 13" gets sold)

I rather them spend the money on reliability across the entire MBP line.
 
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The author mentioned that,

It boils down to what you want for yourself. Do you prefer your apps to run speedily and smoothly? Then go for more cores. Or do you want to run so many apps simultaneously without freeze? Then you need plenty plenty of RAM.
He is correct, obviously.. but I was looking for an answer that describes performance with like.. a sliding-scale between # of cores vs amount of ram (or ram per core ratio). I am in the group of people that only needs 16GB of ram to feel comfortable with my purchase, but from a standpoint of curiosity.. I can’t help but wonder.

Whoever the author of that article is, either their understanding of technical aspects is fundamentally flawed, or they are deliberately oversimplifying things.What they write sounds so obvious, and yet is not obvious at all... The problem lies with the understanding of what "run many apps simultaneously" means.

Say you have a browser with 40 tabs open, an email app and a note-taking app in the background, you are listening to music in iTunes and currently have Word in foreground, working on a document. How many apps are you running simultaneously? Correct answer is "two, probably". Because the only apps that are active and perform useful work atm are iTunes and Word. The rest is sleeping, waiting to get activated — and ideally use neither CPU time nor need to be resident in memory. One might say now, sure, but what if you need to switch between the apps? If its not loaded into RAM, you'll have to wait. Very true, but you also need to consider that with modern SSDs and memory compression, that Safari tab etc. will load faster then your brain's visual processing latency. And such delay can be hidden by app switch animation.

Of course, this is all highly idealistic — in real world we have background apps which still need to perform work (e.g. fetch emails in the background) and quite often they are written in an inefficient way. But in a nutshell, this is how stuff works. Even when heavily multitasking (in user's terms — what we understand as "simultaneous" execution is years spent in waiting in the CPU's world), what you need is a certain minimal RAM threshold, as well as a speedy backing storage in order to achieve smooth operation.

What about true simultaneous execution? Well, that would be server work — where its not uncommon to have hundreds or more of active, demanding tasks. And you do need tons of RAM to run it. You also need tons of CPUs and a lot of cache, and ideally — multiple memory controllers. Because there is not much point in having a lot of RAM if you don't have the computational resources to actually use it...

When we look at the contexts where people ask for more RAM, its always the same. Its either people running multiple virtual machines (where memory access patterns are more complicated and paging can incur very complex costs), working with large datasets (often using suboptimal algorithms — but hardware is cheaper than programmer's time), or running large suites that require a lot of data or infrastructure to be loaded simultaneously (pro audio apps come to mind).
 
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Ya... that is actually the more scary part. I remember when Apple was like 'ahhh... we're gonna fully support the PPC architechture... and our BEST PPC products are not even out yet!!!'

Then you went... and bought a Power Mac G5 in December of 2005. Half-way thru the life-cycle of 10.4 Tiger.
10.5 Leopard drops... and it's the last OS you can use... Within 1.5 years your pricey Power Mac has become obsolete...
It seems odd that they would launch an iMac pro and presumably soon a new-new mac pro and then almost immediately end support for the architecture they are built on, so I am wondering if they will bifurcate the lineup into consumer using in-house chips (iBook, iMac?) and a professional line which will continue to run intel in parallel (iMac Pro, Mac Pro, MacBook Pro). The pro line would have a very high cost of admission to deter those who don't really need the power/ know why they need the intel stuff, everyone else is happy with a more iOS like streamlined product line
 
Doubtful. PCB redesign and SKU cost just for a niche option on a relatively niche size (I think more 13" gets sold)

I rather them spend the money on reliability across the entire MBP line.
Spend money on both..reliability should be offer in everything,no matter if its a device car furniture etc
 
But 9to5mac clearly states that these coffee lake processors “address one common complaint of MacBook Pro owners: that RAM is limited to 16GB.” They also talk about how desktop RAM draws too much power, and then conclude with “The new chip supports 32GB of mobile RAM.”

Well, they are mistaken. Or they know something that Intel is not telling us. Since the technical docs for Coffee Lake clerkly states that it doesn't support any type of RAM that Kaby Lake doesn't support. Which makes perfect sence since they are the same CPU...
 
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What I would like to know is the typical delay between Intel's release and Apple's. When Apple refreshed in October, was that because Intel released in September of that year?
The 2016s aren't a good indicator as it was a design refresh year and we know the battery caused the release to be pushed back. Indeed, by the time they were shipping intel had come out with suitable Kaby Lake parts. In 2015, the 13" released in March, shortly after the chips were available, but the 15" had to wait as the H series Broadwell hadn't shown up at that point. Eventually they clearly got tired of waiting and released in May with the same Haswell chips and a new GPU - the Broadwell parts eventually appeared towards the end of the year and were almost immediately superseded by 6th gen replacements.
 
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The 2016s aren't a good indicator as it was a design refresh year and we know the battery caused the release to be pushed back.

Not just the battery. They were also waiting for the GPU, the keyboard, and my theory that the release came so late because Apple was waiting for Intel to ship Iris Pro equipped Skylake in high quantity: the later never happened, so Apple had to change their plans at the last second. I think they wanted to have the laptop ready in time for WWDC, but the availability of the components was not nearly close to what they needed.

Indeed, by the time they were shipping intel had come out with suitable Kaby Lake parts.

This is not correct. The only KL chips available by October/November were dual-cores with low-end graphics. Chips with Iris GPU as well as quad-core KL were released in Q1 2017.
 
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so all points to WWDC and not only the macbook pro, but also the 12" macbook and imac? maybe 20% chances to see the last updated to mac mini with tb3 I/O ? and probably at the end a sneak peek with modular Mac Pro?!
 
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so all points to WWDC and not only the macbook pro, but also the 12" macbook and imac? maybe 20% chances to see the last updated to mac mini with tb3 I/O ? and probably at the end a sneak peek with modular Mac Pro?!
In 2011, 2013 and 2015 Apple introduced MBP in Feb, Feb and March, respectively; I’m not sure they’ll wait until June, they could announce tomorrow for all anyone knows.

The Y-series CPUs aren’t shipping until later this year, as rumor has it, so no MB release until later. I haven’t been following the iMac CPUs so I’m not sure when to expect those.

I think we will hear about the Mac Pro at WWDC; anything from a sneak peak, to announcing a shipping date (Dec?) or even a full introduction, if it’s ready :) The same could be said for the new mini.
 
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The Y-series CPUs aren’t shipping until later this year, as rumor has it, so no MB release until later. I haven’t been following the iMac CPUs so I’m not sure when to expect those.
The new iMac-appropriate chips are out now. Expect new iMacs by the summer or earlier.

As for the MacBook, I’m starting to think they may not release a new one until 2019... which is fine by me since I bought the 2017 last year. :)
 
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I wonder if Apple will not offer 2 15” mbp
1 with 16 gb ram with up to 10-11 h battery usage
Second with 32gb ram with up to 6 h battery usage
The only thing I could really see them doing (and it's a very, very slim chance) is offering a new 17" as a big showcase using largely desktop components (no point redesigning the 15" to use desktop ram for one year before the mobile 32GB is supported). Other than that I think it's a case of wait for Ice Lake.

Not just the battery. They were also waiting for the GPU, the keyboard, and my theory that the release came so late because Apple was waiting for Intel to ship Iris Pro equipped Skylake in high quantity: the later never happened, so Apple had to change their plans at the last second. I think they wanted to have the laptop ready in time for WWDC, but the availability of the components was not nearly close to what they needed.

This is not correct. The only KL chips available by October/November were dual-cores with low-end graphics. Chips with Iris GPU as well as quad-core KL were released in Q1 2017.
I don't know that there was ever a plan to roll out a lower end 15" to start off with, Apple are a big enough customer that if they wanted the chips with Iris Pro/ Plus they could have asked intel for them and done a deal, I'm sure. Or maybe it was because Apple were the only ones that really used those chips and Intel wouldn't give them a good enough price. I don't know how much cheaper the i5 (currently 7300HQ) chips are over the i7s and whether this would leave enough headroom to price a 15" with a lower end GPU at the same $1,999 the 2015 currently retails for?
 
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Just got a 13" MBP with 121 GB storage and Fn keys. Two things I'd like to see improved in the 2018 version:

1. A quieter keyboard. I like typing on it. Feels crisp, light, more exact. But the keys are a little loud when you hit them, no?

2. Reader still has the same problem it did in my old MB, which is that sometimes it doesn't show the whole page or article. But that's more of a software issue.

3. The rubber legs on the bottom don't hold the MBP in place. Maybe some people like that because it makes it easy to adjust the notebook's position, but I'm used to my mid-2010 white MB, which had a rubber pad on the bottom that kept it securely in place. The way the new one slides around looks a little dangerous, especially considering no Magsafe.

Which brings me to my question: Will Magsafe be compatible with USBC?
There are USB-C Adapters/cables for chargers that hold magnetically... basically giving you something like MagSafe!
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EXACTLY... and right there in the comments I asked for a source for that bold statement! But it would seem that Ben Lovejoy just made it up or misread something, as no source was disclosed. And in this regard 9to5mac is NOT a source in itself!
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Do any of them ship with 64GB? Intel says 64GB is supported.

Anyway, despite 9to5mac’s claim, we still don’t know that it’s true. It could very well be that they blew it, and 32/64GB is only when using DDR4. Or 9to5mac scooped everyone, and got it right that 32GB of LPDDR3 is now a supported configuration.
At LEAST 7th Gen (maybe even earlier) supported 64GB already. At work we have a Dell notebook with 64GB DDR4 memory... it has 4 DIMM Slots with 16GB each.
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The only thing I could really see them doing (and it's a very, very slim chance) is offering a new 17" as a big showcase using largely desktop components (no point redesigning the 15" to use desktop ram for one year before the mobile 32GB is supported). Other than that I think it's a case of wait for Ice Lake.


Where can I get in line to get that machine?
Well the DDR4 modules would still be SO-DIMM... so STILL notebook parts rather than desktop... but hell yeah... I'd buy that in a heartbeat...
 
True, some mobile processors have already supported 64GB of DDR4.

But 9to5mac clearly states that these coffee lake processors “address one common complaint of MacBook Pro owners: that RAM is limited to 16GB.” They also talk about how desktop RAM draws too much power, and then conclude with “The new chip supports 32GB of mobile RAM.”

I’m not sure which type of mobile RAM you think they’re referring to if not LPDDR3, but it’s clear 9to5mac thinks these Coffee Lake processors address the current 16GB limit.

Anyway, either 9to5mac blew it, or they have a scoop. Either these new processors address the 16GB max complaints, or they do not. I wish Intel’s ARK had the 8th generation H-series datasheets available from their link so I could look it up!

Personally, I don’t think the 16GB max will be addressed until Intel supports LPDDR4. Which means later this year with the rumored release of Cannon Lake Y series CPUs, and for the MBP with Ice Lake, whether that ends up being next year or 2020–depending on how fast Intel ramps their 10nm process.
I believe LPDDR3 may be limited to 16gb max for U based CPUs. Most of the MBP competitors (Spectre x360, XPS 13, Surface Pro 4, etc) all top out to 16gb, even with the new Coffee Lake U CPUs. The only models you can find with more than 16 are those with DDR4 RAM. The 32gb max listed on Intel's ARK is most likely for those utilizing DDR4 instead of LPDDR3. 32gb in the MBP will absolutely have to wait until Ice Lake CPUs come out with support for LPDDR4 considering Apple won't use DDR4 in their MBP's.

Those wondering why Apple probably won't use DDR4 in place of LPDDR3 may want to read up on that (especially considering Schiller himself said it'd hurt battery life), at least in the case of the 13 MBP (although I don't know why they don't offer it on the 15 at least). Here's a good read on Reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/5dimal/lpddr3_vs_ddr4_power_usage/
 
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Oh wow. Didn't realize that.
They don't want you to. After 15 pages of marketing the features of the redesign, if you click buy, and then click 15", and then scroll to the bottom...

I really hope they release a butterfly v3 that combines the satisfying clicky-ness of the new keyboards with the travel and reliability of the old ones. For someone who spends most of their time typing, the keyboard is one of the most important considerations in a portable machine.
 
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You do realize Apple still sells a iGPU only version of the 15 inch MBP?
You do realize the 2016 15 MBP's had a lot of discrete GPU issues, check the forums from November 2016 forward.
You do realize, not every app requires a discrete GPU.
To 1: as someone else pointed out, only an older pre-2016 model though? The commenter I was responding to expressed his desire for the removal of the dedicated GPU from one of the current (or more precisely, upcoming) 2018 MBPs as all the current ones do have a dGPU as far as I can see, so if there are still some old models with outdated specs floating around isn't really relevant to this.
To 2: as some others also pointed out, most of the dGPU issues in MBPs date back to pre-2016 times aswell. The 2016 did have some dGPU issues, however they predominantly seem to be fixed in the 2017 one as I couldn't really find any threads or articles about them. And even if they still appear in very rare circumstances, dropping dGPUs completely just because of some rare issues that are most definitely fixable in the following generation doesn't seem like a reasonable thing to do.
To 3: Sure, but that doesn't really relate to the point in question. Does every iOS app require an A11 chip? No, of course not, but nobody wants the iPhone X successor to return to an A10 because of that. With each new MBP generation we should see an increase in terms of processing power compared to the same-price models from a year before, not a decrease.
 
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If you were to buy an upgraded MacBook Pro 13” TB... the shipping date is 20/24th April...

Almost a whole month... New release is imminent...
 

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If you were to buy an upgraded MacBook Pro 13” TB... the shipping date is 20/24th April...

Almost a whole month... New release is imminent...
Doesn't have to be. It's "only" 2-3 weeks, there are a variety of reasons for why the shipping date might slip like that. Just checked the Apple website of my own country, all the machines are showing a shipping date for Friday this week.
 
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