Apple staff encouraged me to buy it as a bridging machine before the 2018 version comes out.
I did not care about those usb-c connectors so I didn't know the hassles. So you seem to be a bit stupid to have bought such machine?
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Apple staff encouraged me to buy it as a bridging machine before the 2018 version comes out.
I did not care about those usb-c connectors so I didn't know the hassles. So you seem to be a bit stupid to have bought such machine?
No i think im smart to have bought it because i dont have any hassles and think those ports are the best things that happened to macbooks
No.
Apple Store employees know as little as we do. Not being sarcastic. I'm actually being serious!
sigh. the balance apple struck between build quality, portability and power really was just right for my needs in the 2008, 2011 and 2013 mbp models I've owned.
I know I can't help it if they've determined that I'm no longer their market, but it still kinda makes me sad that they have Airs, MacBooks, and 2 sizes of Pros, and they ALL seem to be balancing for a similar user profile where they assume specs like the above posted dell are a lower priority than the thinnest enclosure possible.
surveying the market now is super disheartening. "well built" feels a little uncertain everywhere, increasingly even from apple. the windows experience just leaves so much to be desired, and for apple if you care about power at all they're signalling to buy something anchored to your desk (and in the case of the Mac Pro, they might forget to stay competitive even there for a half decade or so)
I know I can't help it if they've determined that I'm no longer their market, but it still kinda makes me sad that they have Airs, MacBooks, and 2 sizes of Pros, and they ALL seem to be balancing for a similar user profile where they assume specs like the above posted dell are a lower priority than the thinnest enclosure possible.
surveying the market now is super disheartening. "well built" feels a little uncertain everywhere, increasingly even from apple. the windows experience just leaves so much to be desired, and for apple if you care about power at all they're signalling to buy something anchored to your desk (and in the case of the Mac Pro, they might forget to stay competitive even there for a half decade or so)
Yes, they want us to buy a separate product for each task to max their profits.
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He just said there is a 80% chance that it will be out in June. He said that the iPad PRO 2018 will also be released at the same time.
[doublepost=1526157382][/doublepost]Since Apple likes to have so many versions of products, why don't they make a MBP with thickness of the 2015 with more powerful components?
It is obvious this is Apples direction - make a reasonably powerful, thin, well designed portable that suits a lot of people, but not all. If you are in the minority, then it is desktop time. If you run a decent business buying the desktop and laptop shouldn’t be prohibitive.
There is such a thing as going too far. Apple doesn't seem to be considering a third alternative, which is that people who want a mobile, relatively lightweight solution capable of running intensive applications that offers industry performance parity in the GPU and RAM departments, while offering solid battery life, would simply buy another product.
Apple's into diminishing returns territory in the thickness department. The current 15" MBP is thinner than the Macbook Air at the non-tapered end. When making the MBP thinner, Apple could choose between keeping the same(ish) performance in a marginally thinner form factor, or making the MBP better overall in critical areas (e.g. offering more DDR4 while keeping the same memory, and/or possibly offering a higher TDP GPU to boot, while maintaining the same thickness and build quality.
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The Radeon 560 Pro (not to be confused with the RX 560M, which performs better) typically sits at ~20-30% performance deficit compared to the 1050, and the XPS 15 is now packing a 1050 Ti. So it'll be GPU, RAM, screen, price, and operating system differences. Assuming that the XPS 15 with the core i9 won't meaningfully thermal throttle, then there's going to at least be a version of the XPS 15 that has a nontrivial performance lead in the CPU department, as well. The MBP can theoretically get a bigger HDD (2 TB vs 1 TB), but the value proposition and necessity on that is pretty questionable, given prices of modern external storage.
We haven't heard a peep out of AMD about Vega. At AMD's CES announcement, they said that they had a single design for Vega mobile coming out, and that turned out to be Kaby Lake G. Given this, along with the recent announcement of the Polaris rebadge, I think it's somewhat unlikely that we're going to see a new Vega mobile chip this year.
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That claim might or might not be true (I tend to agree with it). On the whole, however, I think striving for thin and light has been a great thing, especially when you consider that for what most people do on their computers an entry-level MBP works great. And I really like that I can fit my 13" into a carrying case as slim and portable as this one. I love it.
True, usually I don't need to travel with dongles/adapters. For those who do, it's different.
As for USB-C/Thunderbolt3 only, I'm glad Apple had the guts to get rid of the legacy ports, to help push the industry into what looks to be the right direction. The faster we leave old USB behind, the better, in my opinion. The new ports are much faster and much more versatile. I can see why consumers didn't like it, but I'm not going to blame Apple for doing the right thing.
The data I've seen says there is a rise in keyboard failure rate with the new MBPs, but a lower failure rate overall. that has to be kept in mind as well. So far, the new MBPs are failing less not more than their predecessors did. Nevertheless, this time I got AppleCare, just in case, something I'd never done before and never had an issue with as all my Apple products so far have worked faithfully for years and years.
Overall, I have to say my MBP feels well built. But one potential area where Apple might be getting cheap is thermal paste. Apparently, the paste Apple uses isn't that good. It gets old quick and causes the notebook to overheat. Switching to a higher quality paste (or liquid metal) gets the heat under control. At least according to this video and another one I saw:
Interesting. When I finally write continuous pages on it, let's see whether I feel the same way. Somebody told me that you have to learn to type softer on this keyboard since the keys don't require much force to register. Most of us are used to typing on the old keyboards, even on typewriters, where you really want to strike the key hard to make it register.
Yes we are at the point of diminishing returns for thinness. When durability and serviceability are sacrificed for the sake of thinness especially. Wish we'd get off that train already.
Also wish Nvidia would be considered for MBPs but it's not looking good at this point.
Also wish Nvidia would be considered for MBPs but it's not looking good at this point.
It is, it's just that pursuit is starting to chip away at the gap between something like the Macbook and the Macbook Pro.
Which is unfortunate, because there are compelling performance alternatives from team green (e.g. 1050 Max-Q) that are still in the ballpark 35 watt range, and meaningful performance improvements to be had if Apple cranks up the max TDP of the discrete GPU just a bit (e.g. to 45-50 watts).
If I REALLY wanted to... money wouldn't be the issue. It's not like I have this as SPARE money... but considering my 2011 MBP still lasts... the cost of ownership over the years is pretty low. Plus I guess I could get my employer to by my next machine anyways.
BUT.
I, personally, HATE juggling 2 or more machines. Keeping all FILES in sync (yes, I know, I already use both Dropbox and iCloud Drive extensively... but still), all Apps in sync etc. etc. it's just a hassle. Plus in this case I'd basically need THREE machines. An iMac (Pro) at work... one at home... AND a MBP for on the go. So no. I'd rather just have a powerful MBP that I can hook up to a desktop setup at home and at work... AND use on the go.
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While I, personally, might think it's a hassle to not have a SINGLE USB-A port... I get it. And I won't complain... I'm not standing in between the path to the future and innovation. What DOES bother me though... is the riddance of ports that would NOT have been axed.
Aka MagSafe, HDMI (2.x would have been appreciated), and the SD card slot. These three (MagSafe being a bit questionable in this list) will NOT be replaced by USB-C. EVER.
My TV and AV-Receiver will NEVER move to USB-C over HDMI, not in 5... not in 10 years. And my camera will not have a USB-C data card...
THAT'S what's bugging me.
I will be very interested to see (i) how they deal with the keyboard on the new model; and (ii) what they will do with the touchbar. I like the look of the machines with the touchbar but I haven’t seen much evidence that people are using it.
All the discussion about screens and processors etc don’t concern me that much as I am not going to use it for anything particularly taxing, but I do want something reliable with a keyboard that will last more than 12 months.....
All the discussion about screens and processors etc don’t concern me that much as I am not going to use it for anything particularly taxing, but I do want something reliable with a keyboard that will last more than 12 months.....
You missed a great sale at Best Buy. All MBP models yesterday were 350 off. Cant beat that!
If we're getting new models next month then we'll get lots of great offers for the previous generations that will not only beat that but make 350€ off look pale in comparison. Actually I'm pretty sure there have been better sales in the last couple of months than 350€ off a 3000€ 2017 MBP; Apple's very own student discount alone puts the machines 200-300€ lower in price already than their original retail price, and there are usually plenty of deals of third-party retailers that exceed Apple's education discount later in a Mac's lifecycle.
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Also don't forget (if you are eligible) that IF the MBPs launch at WWDC... Apple's Back to School thing will also start and include them!
Good point.
Though now that you mention it, the Back To School offer didn't start right at WWDC the last few years if I remember correctly but only 1-2 months afterwards? So people who buy them right after their (potential) WWDC launch and who are eligible (which I would fall under) would miss out on that? Or was there ever a way to claim the Back To School headphones in retrospect?
So apparently there's a new class action lawsuit against Apple for the keyboards
Safe to say new ones won't have them then?
Safe to say new ones won't have them then?
Why isn't Macrumors reporting the major news of the fact that Apple is being sued for these afwul Macbook Pro keyboards?
I've seen an LG prototype for a screen you can roll up like a newspaper as well as plans for a whole notebook like that, so I'm not sure that the thinness craze has run its course yet. We'll see. The MBP is already at a thinness I can live with. I would still like to see a push toward lighter notebooks though.
This is what I was referring to when I said that the failure rate for the new MBP is actually better overall than its predecessors, a positive development that should be noted even as we criticize the keyboard.
For the 2017 version of the keyboard, the failure rate so far is 8.1% of serviced MBPs as compared to 6% for 2015. That's not that huge of a difference. The 2016 keyboards did worse at 11.8%. The rate of failure after repair has also dropped dramatically for the 2017 version, so it looks like Apple really did improve the keyboard somewhat between the 2016 and 2017 iterations. We'll see what the numbers look like going forward. Failure rates were not high enough to keep me from buying the 2017 version, but as I said I did purchase AppleCare for the first time ever, just in case.
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It was really a matter of time, especially with charging customers for the repair, and especially when the repair runs hundreds of $...
echoing this. I do in fact have a beastly windows desktop with a 1080 at work, and I am already having to ferry files to and from my mbp. I've had this set-up for two years and I still much prefer to be mobile the majority of the time. I can take my work with me to different sites and its just way more pleasant, if only it had a bit more oomph for the projects we do in UE4.
also the thing that frustrates me when people say "thats what desktops are for," is that it could just as easily go the other way. if you don't have particularly demanding needs from your laptop, then there are airs, MacBooks, and according to apple, iPad pros that can fit the vast majority of your everyday computing needs. again, there's always going to be tiers of performance with no laptop being able to fully match desktop components, but given the products being offered by competitors, I just wish apple wouldn't cluster everything so heavily in the thin and light over performance category.
It's shocking. I need a new laptop and I've been trying to wait for WWDC, but I may need one sooner than that, so I looked at a few of the best windows laptops and I just can't do it. Windows is just such a terrible user experience, but why? Microsoft is a competent company that employees thousands of talented engineers. Why is it that I'd rather use free Linux distros than ostensibly the most important product from a tech giant like microsoft? it looks hideous, the user experience is unintuitive (although perhaps i'd feel differently if I grew up on windows), and things seem to freeze up and crash orders of magnitude more often than they do on OSX.
I'm not complaining -- I'm just sincerely baffled. It seems like I'm often thinking to myself when I use windows, "This is really the best they could do?"
I sure hope the new mbps come soon. tbh I don't need the extra power at all, but I don't like buying "old" tech when I buy a new laptop that will hopefully last 4-6 years.
No. Honestly... it wouldn't be different.
All my colleagues at work use PCs aka Windows. Since like forever. And they are like 'uuugh... Apple... and no... it's to complicated... and Windows is SOOOO GOOD and intuitive'.
Then they DON'T EVEN customize the Start Menu... and leave Candy Crush there. Don't change ANY setting. Don't change the ICC Profile to match their displays etc. etc. If you ask them HOW to do it... they don't even know. Then they complain on top of it... "why does this happen, why does THAT happen!" but they never do anything about it.
Worst of all... and they are real tech people... if they have an issue... they google it... IN GERMAN!!!
Yes... Windows is AWESOME and SIMPLE... if you don't ACTUALLY wanna do something. Or... if you learned certain procedures by heart... like all 100 clicks you have to perform to get it done. Other than that... it IS an unmitigated disaster. And no matter what other people might say here... and claim that Windows is soooo soooo good by now. It's simply not the truth...
And... this is explicitely NOT a discussion that Apple's quality and the quality of macOS has gone down in recent years. I'm happy to admit this... (but sad that I HAVE to admit this). I'm also not saying that Windows doesn't have a few cool features... like Aero Snap that works REALLY well... all things considered though... it simply is NOT a good and intuitive OS.
The biggest questions this year are the following :
1) Keyboard tuning? Will it be redesigned? Will it be a small upgrade?
2) Touch Bar on all models or not? (Taptic Engine)
3)Better battery life?
Honestly i'm really curious
1) Keyboard tuning? Will it be redesigned? Will it be a small upgrade?
2) Touch Bar on all models or not? (Taptic Engine)
3)Better battery life?
Honestly i'm really curious