There are also (almost?) no notebooks which use the 7th gen parts with Iris iGPUs except Apple's MacBook Pros.
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There are also (almost?) no notebooks which use the 7th gen parts with Iris iGPUs except Apple's MacBook Pros.
It almost sounds like Intel has paper-launched these chips... and they do not have enough of them yet AND/OR Apple is working on 3rd generation butterfly keyboards. Other manufactors use 15W CPUs + AMD R530/nV 150MX as a substitute. However, that leads to compromised battery life.
You’re missing the point. He bought iMacs... only to have them break (yes that is an individual's case I still believe iMacs are reliable), and move BACK to the very reliable AND UPGRADEABLE Mac Pros. The fact he is lamenting, like no built-in ODDs, poor heat dissipation and a general lack of upgradeability are a fact though. A fact that NO iMac Pro or trashcan Mac Pro can solve.
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There just doesn't seem to be a whole lot of interest in the 28 Watt chips in general. Most PC manufacturers seem to either go for as slim as possible and use the 15W CPUs without a GPU, or they want to be relatively slim but still competitive in GPU performance, in which case they rather use the 15W CPUs coupled with an MX150 class GPU. The fact that no one except Apple used them last gen makes me think it's much more likely that Apple does have different reasons for not having launched the 2018 models yet.
By the way, seems like Intel is readying NUCs using these chips (the article is in german, but the source is in english):
https://www.notebookcheck.com/Intel...offee-Lake-und-Iris-Plus-Grafik.313638.0.html
The thing is traditionally they have required a much bulkier (& more expensive) active cooling solution (two fans as we see with the TB 13” MBP) but really the performance increase is marginal for all but the heaviest sustained workloads (in which case a machine like the 15” pro is a much better bet Being only slightly more cumbersome). This might be changing as of the 8th gens that seem to struggle against their TDPs more - perhaps the 28W chips will come into their own if the performance metrics favour them? I believe intel actually don’t charge a premium for the 28W versions over the 15W versions.
I get what you’re saying, sometimes there’s nothing much better to buy than what you have. Two good examples: your 2013 MBP which is fine for you, but out of AppleCare for 2 years; and Mac Pro, which hasn’t had a new release in a very long time. (Also, my comment about 3 years was related to your purchase frequency, not the original release date of the computer. Many businesses like to be covered by AppleCare, so 3 years is a common replacement cycle.)
Mac Pro in particular presents a problem for businesses that upgrade on 3 year cycles. The product management of Mac Pro was badly mishandled; there should have been an update by 2016 or at least 2017, but there wasn’t. So we have to deal with that reality, as imperfect and problematic as it is. That either means buying the older model, waiting for the new model, buying iMac Pro or switching to PC if that’s in your best interest.
Thanks. Interesting. I don't care whether it is English or German (I can speak both German and English. I speak English better, though). In my country German is quite handy to know - 2 of 4 neighbouring countries speak German and Germany is our biggest trade partner...
I think Apple prefers to use the integrated solution because it simplifies the design of the cooling system and it is more power-efficent than the dGPU.
He can lament all he wants, but that’s rather unproductive. Deal with reality. Internal optical disk drives haven’t been available since at least 2012. Buy the $79 external SuperDrive and move on with life.
Keeping Mac Pros from 2006-2010 just because they have internal ODD or are “upgradable” is not serving his business well. iMac Pro doesn’t have overheating issues and would be worth evaluating since the regular iMac couldn’t provide the performance he needed.
Memory is upgradable but buy 64/128 from the start if that’s what will be needed for the next few years. Why buy 32 with the thought of upgrading in a year or two?
I wouldn’t think a DTP workstation would need more than the 1TB SSD available in the base config; surely the business uses a fileserver.
Whatever the case... this is taking WAAAAAY.. TOOO... LOOOONG... Come ON, APPLE!!!
Any button assignment also must have a keyboard shortcut.
Which begs the question, should we be promoting users to have to look away from the screen instead of doing a normal shortcut? What difference really is there of F1 favouriting a topic vs a touch bar icon which has a save topic icon?
I don’t like the idea of a feature on a “pro” machine being really for people unfamiliar with application short cuts.
Physical keys are also easier to feel out and press accurately without looking at your keyboard vs pressing an icon on a strip.
I don’t se it as a problem your talking about a glance down from the screen as the Touch Bar is just under the screen.
One of my friends who is a professional video editor loves the Touch Bar for editing in Final Cut Pro X, he’s told me that it saves him time when video editing which for him is a big thing (time is money as they say). I do think it really depends on what your doing, professional apps are making use of it Pixelmator Pro uses the Touch Bar as well as Adobe photoshop and so on.
I seen a few examples of such uses but wasn’t convinced - they just seemed like alternative ways rather than time savers. Someone showed a colour range selector on the touch bar but something tells me professionally no one can really select a colour using the touch bar (not accurate enough - plus why not just do it on the screen).
To each their own.
I know your post is sound advice, but something about you saying this and your name being “PickUrPoison” did give me a slight chuckle.
There’s rarely a single, perfect solution when it comes to business computing requirements. In corporate IT, it’s more about balancing the compromises that are dictated by reality—regardless of how far away from my ideal, perfect solution they may be. Choosing what will provide the best result, in a lesser-of-various-evils approach, is sometimes the best you can do.
Focus on satisfying your must-haves and checking off as many nice-to-haves as you can manage. In any decent-sized company, it’s likely there are Macs, Windows PCs, special-purpose Linux boxes and cloud infrastructure/user solutions all deployed to varying degrees.
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Usually the IrisPlus U-series are customized for Apple. Almost no other manufacturers will use.
To be fair a lot of it is time saving measures, for example in Final Cut Pro the trim tool is on the Touch Bar but also you can scrub along the timeline on the Touch Bar as well. I don't own a MacBook Pro with Touch Bar i'm still using my 2011 MacBook Pro (until i upgrade) but i have seen friends using them and i've had a play around in the Apple Store.
I really think it depends on what your doing, using it just to switch tabs in safari or write email isn't going to be as useful as using it in professional apps, but then would anyone really buy a MacBook Pro with Touch Bar if all they were going to do was browse Safari and check email
I guess it is each to their own, not everyone will like the Touch Bar and at the moment i don't think it's at it's full potential (as is mentioned in the article on one of my earlier posts in this thread).
Yes, you are right! But even if eventually the base 13" doesn't come with 16GB of RAM, the more expensive 13" should, in my opinion!
I don't know why it doesn't, People are doing this same type of work on the 13" as the 15" It should be 16GB stock
I know, but that's not my point. Apple moved to 16GB for a stock configuration on the 15", people use the 13" for many of the same tasks, I think overall it would have been a nice move by Apple to make 16GB the default configuration for all models across the board.
The entry level 13 inch Touchbar MacBook Pro I believe should have come with 16 GB. I bought it for like 1700 for my brother and thought it was rather poor on Apple's part to be cutting corners for such an expensive device.
If its one of the worst parts of Steve Jobs mentality and DNA left at the company is cheapskate behavior. Scott Forstall had to talk the guy out of trying to sell the first iPhone for nearly a thousand dollars.
I can't wait until he returns to replace Tim Cook, he really is gonna clash with Jony for sure, but Jony will have to listen or leave. Maybe leaving will be a good thing too.
Without question, Apple has always been meager with stock ram configurations. I remember how bad it was during the PPC days as well and how expensive they charged for ram, but at least back then you could upgrade the ram yourself.
I completely Agree, however Apple's about making $$$$ not being nice. I do belive that Apple needs to adjust it's strategy given recent circumstance on several levels.
I was assured by local Apple Store less than a week ago that no issue exists with the current keyboard, so uninformed or mendacious? As I've said before Apple is burning a lot of bridges.
Reality is until Apple see a downward trend it will continue the current aborant behaviour..
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As much as I would like to see that happen Tim Cook will remain firmly in place as he's doing exactly what the board and shareholders want. Our perspective is a very different one I'm afraid to say...
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I see your point, but the flaw in that logic is that Apple isn't looking to replace keyboard shortcuts with the Touch Bar, they aim to supplement them (among other things). If you're 100% familiar with a certain keyboard shortcut, then sure, it's usually faster and more convenient to press that keyboard shortcut and to do it blindly, instead of having to look down onto the Touch Bar.
But do you know every single shortcut in every single app you're regularly using? This is a genuine question because I most certainly don't, and I consider myself fairly well-versed in my daily driver apps. There are plenty of features that are tucked away in the menubar or in submenus that I need to hunt down because I either don't know the shortcut from the top of my mind or because it doesn't have one (and I know you can set custom shortcuts, but this isn't a real solution for every niche feature that you use on occasion, and it will also increase the forest of keyboard shortcuts that you have to remember).
Even worse, the average user might not even know of many of these hidden-away but useful features because he doesn't go explore the menubar into each little submenu in every new app he installs. Keyboard shortcuts help you with actions that you perform regularly, they don't help with the discoverability of new features. For example, I've only discovered a few months ago that iOS has a built-in, fully-fledged and actually really capable document scanner, simply because I didn't expect such feature to be hidden in a tiny submenu in the Notes app. And I've seen plenty of complaints about for example how obscure-to-figure-out some 3D Touch features are.
The Touch Bar helps with all of those things, it brings forward features and options that in the context of what's on-screen make sense to perform so you don't have to go hunting for them through some tedious menus. If you're going to perform an action frequently, then sure, you can learn the keyboard shortcut for it, the Touch Bar isn't stopping you from doing that. But for all those times where you don't know what button combination to press for a certain action, or even that a useful feature exists at all, I'd argue that the shortcuts of the Touch Bar are far from useless.
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Yea i agree with this, Apple added the Touch Bar to make the functional row more productive as most people didn't really use the function keys anymore (they stated this in the keynote). I love the fact that the Touch Bar brings forward features that most people would probably forget about (myself included) also i do think that having them just above the keyboard is a handy place since all you need to do is move your hand upwards (above the keys) and your there.
I do think it will get more useful as i've stated in a post a few pages back, this article is very interesting as to where Apple could be going with it.
https://insights.dice.com/2018/06/07/wwdc-2018-macbook-touch-bar-lurking/