Waiting for the 2018 MBP

[Queen6]

I think more important than the number is the word of mouth and the fact that it will not be "fixed".
If you just offer to replace a fragile part with an identical, flawed replacement, people will not shut up about it.

This is why mass-recalls happen, you need to offer a solution and convince people that the problem is indeed solved.
Car manufacturers will not replace a faulty part telling you it will fail again.
... but I know that car analogies are being used too often.

TBH I believe it's common practise in the electronics industry, unless it's a safety issue to replace same with same or worse refurbished/reworked, with reworked electronics most definitely to be avoided.

We as the consumers need to push the providers harder to do better in the first place. Nor is Apple in isolation with such practises, with the PC OEM's coming under "heavy fire" from the tech press and users, equally they tend to cycle their products far more rapidly, needing to improve the next iteration equally rapidly or face further negativity.

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[skogkatt]

If it might help to mitigate our common disappointment/frustration, I would like to point out that here in Germany at least (but I guess in most of EU markets) the vast majority of ultrabooks alternatives to the MBP have been unveiled months ago at the CES, Barcelona MWC, Cebit etc. but still have to be officially distributed, and the dates are sliding later and later: in the last 2 weeks I've been researching for a potential MBP Windows alternative and... well they're late as well with the 8th Gen Intel CPUs.

Dell XPS 15: delivery in 1-2 weeks starting from July at least
Asus Zenbook Pro: delivery starting from July or even August, according to the webshop
HP Elitebook : every 8th Gen. CPU model is not available in warehouse, call hotline to know more
Huawei Matebook X Pro: no news at all about distribution

 

[Queen6]

If it might help to mitigate our common disappointment/frustration, I would like to point out that here in Germany at least (but I guess in most of EU markets) the vast majority of ultrabooks alternatives to the MBP have been unveiled months ago at the CES, Barcelona MWC, Cebit etc. but still have to be officially distributed, and the dates are sliding later and later: in the last 2 weeks I've been researching for a potential MBP Windows alternative and... well they're late as well with the 8th Gen Intel CPUs.

Dell XPS 15: delivery in 1-2 weeks starting from July at least
Asus Zenbook Pro: delivery starting from July or even August, according to the webshop
HP Elitebook : every 8th Gen. CPU model is not available in warehouse, call hotline to know more
Huawei Matebook X Pro: no news at all about distribution

localised, possibly due to type approval, here in Asia notebooks with 8th Gen CPU's are available to purchase, with the OEM's clearly providing.

No announcement, no new hardware simple as that...

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[maflynn]

I don't understand why I have to cheer for one team only.

You don't

I've used a mix environment myself, but lately its been more mac focused. I currently have a Razer that I'm testing out but as I approach the 2 week return period, I need to make a decision. Keep the Razer, or return it and wait and see what apple may do this fall. I'm kind of in bind as I do need a laptop and so I'll have to figure out how to work without the razer if I do return it.

 

[Falhófnir]

You don't

I've used a mix environment myself, but lately its been more mac focused. I currently have a Razer that I'm testing out but as I approach the 2 week return period, I need to make a decision. Keep the Razer, or return it and wait and see what apple may do this fall. I'm kind of in bind as I do need a laptop and so I'll have to figure out how to work without the razer if I do return it.

Out of interest is there anything in particular which is making you consider returning the Razer?

 

[AndyMacAndMic]

You clearly have an agenda as I see you posting in nearly every thread with negative comments, so I try take most of what you say with a pinch of salt, but I respectfully disagree with you on this. The point of paying premium, in my opinion, is to get a better product, not a perfect product. Perfection is impossible in technology with the short testing time frames they have.

Take a look at this screenshot from MacRumors own buyers guide:

Having negative comments on the Macs does not necessarily mean: 'having an agenda'. According to that logic and the buyers guide most MacRumors members must have an agenda. Did it occur to you that there might be actually a slither of truth in all that negativity?
Also, the general sentiment in this thread (and other threads on MacRumors about Macs) does not seem to be very positive lately.
Apple needs to be careful if even on Apple biased sites people are getting disgruntled

 

[Momo13Drums]

Take a look at this screenshot from MacRumors own buyers guide:

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Having negative comments on the Macs does not necessarily mean: 'having an agenda'. According to that logic and the buyers guide most MacRumors members must have an agenda. Did it occur to you that there might be actually a slither of truth in all that negativity? Apple needs to be careful if even on Apple biased sites people are getting disgruntled

I normally try to stay out of this kind of stuff, but I'll say that I've noticed the same thing as AdamA9 and often wondered why someone who already chose to buy another notebook he says he's happy with is wasting so much time being negative on a Macbook Pro forum.

I don't like waiting just like everyone else, and I don't like the design flaws or keyboard failures, etc. (but honestly, show me another laptop that doesn't have issues. I've never owned one that didn't. These things are just prone to issues compared to desktops). But hey, Apple is making us wait. The choice is wait, or don't wait. If you don't, I'm not sure why you'd care enough to stay on these forums. Seems like time better spent working on your new laptop.

 

[Queen6]

Take a look at this screenshot from MacRumors own buyers guide:

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Having negative comments on the Macs does not necessarily means 'having an agenda'. According to that logic most MacRumors members are having an agenda? Dit it occur to you that there might be actually a slither of truth in all that negativity? Apple needs to be careful if even on Apple biased sites people are starting to get disgruntled

Maybe a just a professional user of the Mac for over two decades tiring of Apple's excuses, weak hardware, failures, now total disregard towards the Mac, after all "why would you buy a PC anymore?" Answer to get work done that doesn't involve emojis and cappuccino

We have every right to be pissed off at Apple, given the current sorry state of affairs. Those that want to judge can do so, equally communities are like families with ups and downs, not just holding hands and blindly praising whatever comes...

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[bykaraanne]

Problems just as bad are occurring with other brands, which is also disappointing and leaves consumers with little choice.

Dell XPS are delaying shipment for up to 2 months here in Singapore, without telling you beforehand about the wait when you purchase online.

Others report the XPS15 not even being able to support DOTA2 and shutting down even after servicing.

I know Apple sucks right now and isn’t the best, but the competition isn’t doing much better. The Windows complaints just keep getting worse on my feed with the latest update, and no, it’s nlt that they’re doing it “wrong”. Different users just experience different things.

So while I didn’t love having to buy the MBP and agree with many of your comments, it does seem that Apple is getting a lot of bad criticism when other Brand’s are doing similarly badly... the XPS is a few hundred dollars cheaper, though.

 

[cocoua]

Here's the bitter pill I see.
2009 through 2012 varying levels (with the 2011 being worst) of GPU failures.
2012 - 2015 screen issues with the coating flaking off
2016 - 201? keyboard failures.

I had GPU failure in my 2007 macbook pro which Apple fixed for free out of warranty
I had GPU, battery failure and ghostling screen in my 2012 rMBP which Apple fixed for free out of warranty.

and don`t forget the software problem rMBP had first year with WIFI signal, as workaround, switching OFF bluetooth fixed it, BUT, first fix Apple did was FAKING the signal indicator to always show full signal, amazing, WIFI was still having issues, but now the graphic indicator was showing full signal, then after some months more, they completely fixed the issue, 1 year total wth the f****g WIFI problem, in a 3600€ laptop

ah! and as I custom ordered the macbook, it took 2 months to arrive to spain, 2 months that I lost in the warranty because the warranty for Apple is from the day you PAY not the day you receive the product.


but I got far far more problems with my SFP2...

 

[AndyMacAndMic]

I normally try to stay out of this kind of stuff, but I'll say that I've noticed the same thing as AdamA9 and often wondered why someone who already chose to buy another notebook he says he's happy with is wasting so much time being negative on a Macbook Pro forum.

I don't like waiting just like everyone else, and I don't like the design flaws or keyboard failures, etc. (but honestly, show me another laptop that doesn't have issues. I've never owned one that didn't. These things are just prone to issues compared to desktops). But hey, Apple is making us wait. The choice is wait, or don't wait. If you don't, I'm not sure why you'd care enough to stay on these forums. Seems like time better spent working on your new laptop.

I can't follow your logic. Do you mean that actually only people who own a Macbook have the right to complain/be negative on this forum? Isn't this whole thread about 'waiting for the 2018 MBP?'. I see a lot of negativity in this thread. Should we rule out everyone who doesn't own a Macbook at the moment? Should we rule out all negativity and only allow positive comments? Don't think so.

 

[csurfr]

Well, as weird as this is... in the Apple Store app, you can't add any of the 2017 models to your cart. Nor in Safari on my iPhone do they even show up on the website. . . Desktop is working fine as of now... Very strange!

 

[bykaraanne]

I can't follow your logic. Do you mean that actually only people who own a Macbook have the right to complain/be negative on this forum? Isn't this whole thread about 'waiting for the 2018 MBP?'. I see a lot of negativity in this thread. Should we rule out everyone who doesn't own a Macbook at the moment? Should we rule out all negativity and only allow positive comments? Don't think so.

I don’t think that’s what he means. I try to stay out of these things too but I Guess there’s a difference between constructive criticism and complaining Everyday about how horrible something is that you don’t even want?

But of course, I agree throughly with most comments and have learned a lot, and agree that everyone can say anything they want to. Just getting a bit uncomfortable around here. Will probably bounce too until there’s more concrete news about the new one.

Have fun speculating and waiting everyone!

 

[cocoua]

anyway, it's an amazing machine and I'm ready for my next rMBP!

 

[TheralSadurns]

Which was also a massive issue for a lot of people.
By the way, I have both Macs and Lenovo Laptops because I don't understand why I have to cheer for one team only.
I really really like the Lenovo Keyboards. I have not bought a MacBook since 2012 and I will not unless they massively roll back the changes to the keyboard AND ALSO the trackpad.

Easy. Because Windows is crap. And because when I buy a notebook I want a GOOD trackpad. Having to opt for a mouse with a notebook is ridiculous.

If there was another brand that had macos and good trackpad I'd 100% consider it. As it stands. No thx.

 

[Momo13Drums]

I can't follow your logic. Do you mean that actually only people who own a Macbook have the right to complain/be negative on this forum? Isn't this whole thread about 'waiting for the 2018 MBP?'. I see a lot of negativity in this thread. Should we rule out everyone who doesn't own a Macbook at the moment? Should we rule out all negativity and only allow positive comments? Don't think so.

Sorry you're unable to follow the logic. People who do not own a MBP may be waiting to purchase one, and those who already own a MBP may also be waiting to purchase a new one as many on here are. The thread as you mentioned is titled "waiting for the 2018 MBP" - it would seem that for those who have chosen to move onto another platform are no longer waiting for a MBP and have already bought another product.... are they using that product to log into this forum to post negative comments about a computer they already decided they are no longer interested in?

It's more of a social commentary that would indicate someone has too much time on their hands. This will be my last post about it, so again I will apologize if you're unable to follow along.

 

[Queen6]

any way, it's an amazing machine and I'm ready for my next rMBP!

Someone please sticky this...

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Sorry you're unable to follow the logic. People who do not own a MBP may be waiting to purchase one, and those who already own a MBP may also be waiting to purchase a new one as many on here are. The thread as you mentioned is titled "waiting for the 2018 MBP" - it would seem that for those who have chosen to move onto another platform are no longer waiting for a MBP and have already bought another product.... are they using that product to log into this forum to post negative comments about a computer they already decided they are no longer interested in?

It's more of a social commentary that would indicate someone has too much time on their hands. This will be my last post about it, so again I will apologize if you're unable to follow along.

Some require more than one system, some more than one platform, some move across the keyboard faster than others, while some assume something completely different...

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[PickUrPoison]

Apple can update MBP13 first. So I think that Vega is not the reason.

Apple could update the 13” first, but are the relevant CPUs even available from Intel yet?

 

[csurfr]

Apple could update the 13” first, but are the relevant CPUs even available from Intel yet?

I'm not sure... but is seems everything is back to normal. All hope is lost!

 

[maflynn]

I had GPU failure in my 2007 macbook pro which Apple fixed for free out of warranty
I had GPU, battery failure and ghostling screen in my 2012 rMBP which Apple fixed for free out of warranty.

This is one reason why I keep coming back to Apple. I too have experienced above average support, numerous times

 

[PickUrPoison]

Apple has so far been caught flat footed in VR, and they don't seem too interested in it. They are working on AR, but not on the Mac, so I don't know if they'll spec out a laptop capable of driving either one.

From the rumors about extremely high resolution displays for glasses/headset, it seems Apple is working on VR. They’re spending $12 billion a year on R&D, but products are released infrequently, and only when Apple decides they’re ready.

It’s my understanding that the tech Apple needs to bring to market the product they want, is unavailable/not sufficiently developed. My guess is we’ll see a product in 2020 but who knows?

 

[hajime]

Are those 2017 15" models still out of stock in most parts of the USA?

 

[PickUrPoison]

Take a look at this screenshot from MacRumors own buyers guide:

View attachment 768290
Having negative comments on the Macs does not necessarily mean: 'having an agenda'. According to that logic and the buyers guide most MacRumors members must have an agenda. Did it occur to you that there might be actually a slither of truth in all that negativity?
Also, the general sentiment in this thread (and other threads on MacRumors about Macs) does not seem to be very positive lately.
Apple needs to be careful if even on Apple biased sites people are getting disgruntled

Laptops and iMac represent about 95% of Apple’s sales. MacBook Pro and iMac are updated every year. The chart reflects the fact that an update is expected in the near future, based on past release timings. We’re only halfway through the year, so there’s no need to panic about the 2018 MBP/iMac update.

MacBook since its introduction has been also updated every year, but no one knows when Intel might release the appropriate Y-series CPUs. Anyone relying on that chart may be in for a long wait; it could be a year away.

btw, nowhere on the internet, except maybe Reddit, will you find more negative general sentiment and disgruntled posters about Apple than the MacRumors forums. It’s not representative of Apple users in general, but does reflect the feelings of the Apple-hate crowd quite accurately.

It’s common that a few (or few dozen) trolls can poison a thread with their glass-completely-empty mindset about anything Apple.

 

[AndyMacAndMic]

Laptops and iMac represent about 95% of Apple’s sales. MacBook Pro and iMac are updated every year. The chart reflects the fact that an update is expected in the near future, based on past release timings. We’re only halfway through the year, so there’s no need to panic about the 2018 MBP/iMac update.

MacBook since its introduction has been also updated every year, but no one knows when Intel might release the appropriate Y-series CPUs. Anyone relying on that chart may be in for a long wait; it could be a year away.

btw, nowhere on the internet, except maybe Reddit, will you find more negative general sentiment and disgruntled posters about Apple than the MacRumors forums. It’s not representative of Apple users in general, but does reflect the feelings of the Apple-hate crowd quite accurately.

It’s common that a few (or few dozen) trolls can poison a thread with their glass-completely-empty mindset about anything Apple.

I agree with you completely . But I was reacting to a remark claiming that one single poster was having an 'agenda' because of being negative. I was simply pointing out that if one accuses one person of that, one can start to accuse most MacRumors members of having an agenda. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[PickUrPoison]

Are those 2017 15" models still out of stock in most parts of the USA?

CTO configs that a few days ago showed 9 July delivery now show 13 July. Seems to be a rolling 2 week delivery timeframe.

Might mean something, might not. It’s not unusual to have longer delays in CTO appear, only to go back to normal a short time later.

But fingers crossed for a July update