Ok - my bad- but if they can make 256GB of ram storage in an iphone why limit the macbook pro to 32GB of working ram.
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Ok, now I can see where you’ve gone wrong. People aren’t stupid; products that are overpriced sell poorly, if at all. Apple possesses no Jedi mind trick that causes customers to over-pay for an iPhone.You can have a lot of people buying something and still have them over priced and so far I've not seen facts
If iPhones were objectively, factually overpriced—instead of something you merely think must be true (because you just “feel” or “know” the iPhone is overpriced, maybe since another phone sells for $200)—then Apple wouldn’t be selling hundreds of millions per year.
You seem to be confusing high-priced (expensive) with overpriced (too expensive). Maybe an example would help.
If three-bedroom homes in my neighborhood are priced at $200,000, are they expensive? Well, they are pretty high-priced. And yes, compared to the three-bedroom homes a mile away that are priced at $50,000, $200,000 sure is expensive.
But at $200,000, are they overpriced? Well, there’s an objective, factual way to determine that: we can look at how well they sell.
Say there are 10 homes sold each month for $200,000, and the average time to sell a house is a month. My neighbor doesn’t do any market research, but thinks his house is worth 180,000 and advertises it at that price. His house sells two hours after it hits the market, to the first person who sees it. Another neighbor thinks her house is nicer than the others, and prices it at $220,000. Her house has been on the market for 16 months and it still hasn’t sold.
So what does it mean? Compared to the $50,000 neighborhood, it’s easy to say that all of the houses in the higher-priced neighborhood are expensive. But they’re up in the hills, with one acre lots, in an area with very little crime and excellent schools. So yes, the $200,000 houses are expensive, but they’re not too expensive... they’re “worth it”. People willingly pay the asking price.
You may think just because they’re expensive, they’re overpriced. But are they really overpriced, or is that just a “feeling” you have, based on the fact that you know they cost four times as much as the “reasonably priced” houses a mile away?
I’m pretty sure it’s obvious at this point that the $200,000 houses are not, in fact, overpriced. You might call them overpriced, but it’s simply not the case.
But if you call the $220,000 house overpriced, who would argue? Obviously, it is overpriced, and as such, is unlikely to sell until the price is reduced. Similarly, the $180,000 house was underpriced.
Apple charges pure and simple. No need for overly elaborate examples that having nothing going to do with Apple.
A simple look at how much it costs apple vs how much they charge shows they're making a killing.
I maintain my opinion and I bow out of this rather tiring discussion. Have a good night
A simple look at how much it costs apple vs how much they charge shows they're making a killing.
I maintain my opinion and I bow out of this rather tiring discussion. Have a good night
Incorrect. Case in point: Audis, Hummers, Volkswagens, the condos in San Francisco that are sinking like the Tower of Pisa.
Cool, cool. You can continue to believe the earth is flat, there’s no reason to let facts stand in the way.
Have a nice night
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Your judgmental opinions are not relevant to whether a product is underpriced, correctly priced or overpriced.
Case in point: my Dad thinks all cars except Kia are “overpriced”. He also only drinks two buck chuck, because any wine over $2.99 per bottle is “overpriced”. Any dinner out that costs more than $2.17 is “overpriced” because he can get a McChicken and a large coke with free refills for that. Any lunch at home that costs more than 23 cents is “overpriced” because that’s what he can get a package of Ramen for.
Not sure why you are comparing flash storage to RAM, completely different things. There are a lot of valid reasons for the latter anyway.
The iPhone 8 has 3GB of ram. The 256GB of storage is SSD, not ram. While they function the similarly SSDs use flash storage, which is different then volatile ram used for memory in phones and computers.
OK. Thamk you for the explanation. However why can’t macbooks have more ram? Is 32GB all that anyone needs?
I personally would like my modular Mac to be protable. Having my work station stuck in a dark cubicle is a waste of $$$.
I personally would like my modular Mac to be protable. Having my work station stuck in a dark cubicle is a waste of $$$.
For a vast majority of users, 32GB is more than enough. There are certain workflows that can benefit from more RAM, but for a vast majority of users, just adding more RAM on top of that does nothing for their user experience, it doesn't make a difference if you have 32GB or 128GB when you already can't fill up the 32GB or even 16GB. So in short, if you don't know that you need more than 32GB of RAM, then you usually don't need more than 32GB of RAM.
As to why there aren't any MacBooks with more than 32GB of RAM, I'm currently not sure if there are any technical limitations from Intel's side in the current mobile CPU lineup (there might be), but chances are even if there aren't, it might not have been worth it for Apple to go above that. Even if it's possible, it might have brought more compromises in other areas like battery life that Apple might not have been willing to take. We are actually "lucky" in that we got the 32GB-option this year at all – before July 2018, many people were expecting Apple to stick around with a 16GB-limit for another 1-2 years because of Intel's lack of support of LPDDR4 RAM (which would have also been more energy-efficient than the use of DDR4 RAM in the current 15" machines).
Also, regarding portability you're in luck: the current MBPs are very portable, more so than many people would like them to be (as opposed to slightly thicker, but with better thermal management, more ports etc.). They are however not modular at all, and except maybe for the upcoming Mac Pro, I wouldn't really expect Apple to release a Mac that is.
most consumers buying laptops these days, 8GB of ram is more then enough. 16 is better for others, there is a minority of power users that need 32GB, but it seems many people here at MR have convinced themselves that they need 32GB even though their usage is far from justifying it.
To add, most people who design workflows to be more than 32GB (eg logic libraries on RAM) are using it wrong, in that in a professional environment no one would actually do that (they would offload it onto external drives).
Then there are those who want to use VM’s, but if you are using a 45w CPU - it seems silly to use the machine in a manner where you use 30+GB Ram. Even an Air can handily manage some VM’s and a Pro will easily manage them even on 16GB ram adequately.
For “real” high end VM workflows, every company uses dedicated servers for that - no one does it on an ultra portable laptop which are far from workstations.
People should look at what they are working on, one of the lightest and thinnest laptop, before trying to do things which really should be handled by desktops alone.
I have one workstation for VMs, and I only run a single VM for that, everything else goes on a server.
I am run Adobe CS Illustrator, Photoshop and CAD (vectorworks) on a daily basis. Normally all 3 are open at the same time while I modify image maps and 3D geometry for product and display visuals. 32GB of ram should be fine but I have never had the patience to wait for screen redraws when using the more advanced rendering settings availible in Vectorworks. Especaily when the 3D models get mor complex. So I was hoping to upgrade to a Imac Pro but it is to soon to tell if will be a good long term investment as my present system is now going on 8 years and still running strong. The MacBook Pro looks like a good investment when you take into account having an EGPU allows for expansion and the fact I can connect to 27” monitors makes it somewhat modular.
So even though 32GB RAM should be enough for everyone today 2 years from now a little more would be better. Since the new MBP is a totally closed system you really need to plan ahead.
So even though 32GB RAM should be enough for everyone today 2 years from now a little more would be better. Since the new MBP is a totally closed system you really need to plan ahead.
Vectorworks is the most demanding of the three packages you mention. They recommend a high-end video card and higher-the-better CPU cores. An iMac Pro with 32GB of RAM would run circles around whatever 8-year old machine you’re currently using.
Vectorworks can utilize an eGPU. There is also a lot of CPU-based rendering (Viewports) so depending on your particular workload you might get decent performance with a 2018 15” hexa-core like the 2.6GHz machine combined with an eGPU. Using only Apple-recommended eGPU enclosures/graphics cards would probably be the best course of action.
Personally I think you’d be best served by the iMac Pro. You’ll need to run High Sierra 10.13.5. For your purposes the 8-core would be fine, 10-core probably slightly better. The Vega 64 graphics card has 16GB of memory and in general would be preferable to the base Vega 56 card with 8 GB but may not increase performance much depending on your actual use case. It’s used most by Renderworks/OpenGL. Consider current and future requirements since it is not upgradable after purchase.
64GB RAM would be nice but not essential, you’ve got 8 or 16 now. It is upgradable later but if it’s in the budget go ahead with 64GB from day one, you won’t be sorry.
PS If budget is tight, know that the soon to be released iMacs will have 6-core CPUs and possibly (probably?) 8-core. So if you can wait until October you might consider doing that. Except if your workload requires a lot of RW, in which case Radeon Pro 580-level graphics would be sub-optimal.
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Thank you for your Helpful comments. The initial issues with the imac pro have caused me the hold off for now so i can wait until october for hopefully an improved imac or macbook pro. When your spending 5-7 grand on a non-upgradable workstation you better have a way to keep it busy. You bought it now it’s all yours. It will be my most expensive mac yet in 30 years. The office where I work part time used to upgrade 15% of the work stations every year stopped 8 years ago and is still running 2010 imacs most with 12GBs of ram. They are not running the latest os or they would be toast. OS 10.14 will be the the breaking point for my cMP so it’s time to move on or stop working. On the geekbench browser list the 2018 MBP is at the top of the mac scores (#2) for single core and about 5 down for multicore scores. not bad for mac. Bigger isn’t always better.
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I prefer IPS displays. My Samsung s8 plus has screen burn after 8 months and I am not a heavy user.
I also prefer IPS displays personaly anyway.
I also don't want 4k. I think qhd is best resolution.
I think QHD is the best resolution too, which is why I want a 5K laptop screen.
And I am gagging now for an ultrawide 8Kx2K monitor for the desktop. Next year?
I really would like a macbook pro,maybe an inch thicker, BUT with swappable RAM, and SSD (samsung EVO 500GB is 150euros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) had to change MBP15 '12 because RAM fail f****
actual retina resolution is enough as is impossible to the human eye tell the different from 5k or actual res in real world in a 15" inch screen .
never used my touchbar (most of the time connected to a external keyboard) so, they can use the space for real keys again.
But most of it, what I want is a better price, I understand Apple has been always a luxury brand, but now price is over twice the market price, so please, come back to Earth. 4500€ a MBP with 1TB SSD and 32GB RAM?
actual retina resolution is enough as is impossible to the human eye tell the different from 5k or actual res in real world in a 15" inch screen .
never used my touchbar (most of the time connected to a external keyboard) so, they can use the space for real keys again.
But most of it, what I want is a better price, I understand Apple has been always a luxury brand, but now price is over twice the market price, so please, come back to Earth. 4500€ a MBP with 1TB SSD and 32GB RAM?
well, "far worse" could imply many things, but in the performance field, they are similar, with write/reads speeds of 2500/3700 MB/s in both
please, mind SSD market is changing every year, so one month Apple is faster, next one is Samnsung, they are ver very close, as none has a secret magic tech to take advantage from.
and more important, Apple's SSD are made by Samsung and Toshiba, so!!
is same thing as Sony cameras in the iPhone, companies and market are always hand to hand in tech because of this.
https://ssd.userbenchmark.com/SpeedTest/498971/Samsung-SSD-970-PRO-512GB
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/2018-macbook-pro-benchmarks
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well, "far worse" could imply many things, but in the performance field, they are similar, with write/reads speeds of 2500/3700 MB/s in both
please, mind SSD market is changing every year, so one month Apple is faster, next one is Samnsung, they are ver very close, as none has a secret magic tech to take advantage from.
and more important, Apple's SSD are made by Samsung and Toshiba, so!!
is same thing as Sony cameras in the iPhone, companies and market are always hand to hand in tech because of this.
https://ssd.userbenchmark.com/SpeedTest/498971/Samsung-SSD-970-PRO-512GB
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/2018-macbook-pro-benchmarks
There's quite a difference between MLC (MBP) and TLC (EVO) SSDs.
^ that's right! in theory MLC should have a longer lifetime, and for professional use, this could be a big thing!
unless you could swipe your SSD for a new one much much better, higher capacity and double or maybe triple speed in 5 years, BUT bad luck, sorry SSD are soldered in MBP so buy another 4500USD machine if you want latest tech!
meanwhile PC world or latest mac buyers would be far ahead...
who knows, maybe Macs would more affordable in future XD XD XD
unless you could swipe your SSD for a new one much much better, higher capacity and double or maybe triple speed in 5 years, BUT bad luck, sorry SSD are soldered in MBP so buy another 4500USD machine if you want latest tech!
meanwhile PC world or latest mac buyers would be far ahead...
who knows, maybe Macs would more affordable in future XD XD XD
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Yes maybe although my next Macbook Pro will most likely be the last Macbook Pro I buy from Apple since I'm more into using my setup I have running at home.
Gave up on the portable option. i got a imac pro 10 core and it is working great. I wish i hadn’t waitied so long. I could have saved days of work by now. The only issue so far is my 3Dconnection space mouse unpairs on restart. Support says it’s a new mac issue. I am hopeful that it will get fixed soon.