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You’re not a fan of FaceID or web cams in general?

After having used Window Hello based laptops and doing conf calls on 1080p camera’s, you really do miss it.

I don’t like the sercurity implications - especially with faceid which can do fancy stuff like gaze tracking. Imagine what nefarious advertisers/social media manipulators could do if they could not only tell what page you see but they could also tell where and for how long you look on a page?
 
I don’t like the sercurity implications - especially with faceid which can do fancy stuff like gaze tracking. Imagine what nefarious advertisers/social media manipulators could do if they could not only tell what page you see but they could also tell where and for how long you look on a page?

Isn’t everything with regards to touchID/FaceID strictly hidden in a secure Enclave and thus that scenario would not occur? Especially things like gaze tracking.
 
I hear ya, if I opt for a new MBP, it may very well be my last. I thought in all honesty that the 2012 was going to be my last one, but I think I may give it one more go. As for the direction, I agree, I'm not liking where apple is headed. I really do like the idea of a laptop having user replaceable parts. Its just plain silly, needing to replace the entire top case because one key broke. Apple lives by the thin sword, they'll die by the thin sword and that's what they get when gluing and soldering everything in sight. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I have a question I have not seen asked re: the Windows machines people will switch do.

Are the innards of say, a Dell XPS, replaceable? Or any other comparable Windows laptop?

It just seems to me the whole industry is moving to computers as sealed appliances.

If those parts are not replaceable or upgradable, I don't see the desire to rush to Windows machines, unless there are concerns re: a) cost and b) technical specks/processors. Those concerns I can understand.
 
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I have a question I have not seen asked re: the Windows machines people will switch do.

Are the innards of say, a Dell XPS, replaceable? Or any other comparable Windows laptop?

It just seems to me the whole industry is moving to computers as sealed appliances.

If those parts are not replaceable or upgradable, I don't see the desire to rush to Windows machines, unless there are concerns re: a) cost and b) technical specks/processors. Those concerns I can understand.

Some Windows laptops have configurable RAM and the majority have a removable SSD. Most window laptops are also lot easier for the user to service I reckon vs the MacBooks (eg if you want to change the battery or network card).
 
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Some Windows laptops have configurable RAM and the majority have a removable SSD. Most window laptops are also lot easier for the user to service I reckon vs the MacBooks (eg if you want to change the battery or network card).

You don't service your own Macs, you get them serviced.
 
Are the innards of say, a Dell XPS, replaceable? Or any other comparable Windows laptop?
Yes, the Dell XPS can upgrade the ram, storage, and battery. Many if not most laptops are not sealed and have some form of upgradability. There are the ultrabooks that are more likely to be sealed but by and large, many laptops are not. Razer Blade is another laptop that is very upgradeable.

As for the parts selection, they're on par with the MBP, the Razer Blade for instance uses the same core i7 CPU, and has a much superior GPU, the Dell uses the same CPUS including the i9 and that also has a superior GPU.
 
How was that relevant in what I just wrote? People also get their Window laptops serviced...

A lot of the Windows laptops offer buyers a choice to service their own devices, exchange memory sticks and storage, but I guess the new Microsoft laptops use glue, so we are reaching a point where no device can be solved hardware wise on your own. I believe this is good and bad. I don't miss error seeking home built PC towers, trying to find out if it is the CPU, the motherboard, the PSU or some memory stick that is causing the fault. The convenience of just handing in your computer and getting it serviced is golden. Just buy what you need and what you can afford, and have a safe journey. If you are a professional you will have access to a second computer while your computer is serviced.

I actually had both my MacBook 12 and MacBook Pro 15 in service at the same time one time, so there is no such thing as bullet proof, but I also had a Windows tower to get my work done.
 
A lot of the Windows laptops offer buyers a choice to service their own devices, exchange memory sticks and storage, but I guess the new Microsoft laptops use glue, so we are reaching a point where no device can be solved hardware wise on your own. I believe this is good and bad. I don't miss error seeking home built PC towers, trying to find out if it is the CPU, the motherboard, the PSU or some memory stick that is causing the fault. The convenience of just handing in your computer and getting it serviced is golden. Just buy what you need and what you can afford, and have a safe journey. If you are a professional you will have access to a second computer while your computer is serviced.

I actually had both my MacBook 12 and MacBook Pro 15 in service at the same time one time, so there is no such thing as bullet proof, but I also had a Windows tower to get my work done.

It’s not about just being able to service it yourself or troubleshooting - if the parts are soldered, when you send your product in to get serviced, it would cost more if it’s all soldered. Eg if you want to just replace the RAM, keyboard or the SSD of your MacBook, you will be charged for the replacement of half the MacBook (Or many Windows laptops as well nowadays), not just that individual part.

You had the same convenience before as you do now, making the laptop soldered doesn’t make it any more convenient to take it in for service - it’s the same, just with a higher cost.

Also with removable, users were able to buy the lowest storage/RAM option and buy their own SSD/RAM much cheaper than the upgrade options usually provided by companies.

Then there is the fact that your RAM/SSD is now set for the life of your system. You read about users of 2008-2013 MacBooks who have managed to bring life to their machines with upgrades that back then were either not available or weren’t necessary. You won’t be seeing these MacBooks lasting 10 years like yesteryears.
 
I have a time machine app on my phone and I just checked. The 2019 MBP has even a thinner profile, so much that it doubles as a knife to cut vegetables. The keyboard is updated to have less keystroke travel measuring just 10 nanometers a press, the T3 chip now includes a free subscription to Skynet online.
 
Isn’t everything with regards to touchID/FaceID strictly hidden in a secure Enclave and thus that scenario would not occur? Especially things like gaze tracking.
Don’t think it’s a good idea to consider anything with tech infallible...
 
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So with the eGPU I've really become a fan of the insides on the MBP for the most part. These three things would set me up for a while of contentment.

1) GPU. Vega should be out this fall w/ more variants in the fall. On the CPU side perhaps Intel switched to AMD which is running a 7nm process.

2) Reduced Bezels with increased screen size option. I doubt we'll ever get our beloved 17 inch screen size back (altho a larger frame would allow for more cooling) but perhaps 16 inches from bezel reduction. 12/14/16 sizes as always been rumored possible. I sure would love 17 tho!

3) FaceID.

Honestly at that point the thing is pretty perfect and I'll be set for a while.

You can probably count on getting at least Vega at 7nm. Might even be able to score Navi if you're really lucky. Would not expect big changes on the CPU side, though: switching to AMD just isn't in the cards. Making a mobile CPU isn't a priority for them right now.

Bezels will have to wait for a hardware refresh. No reason to change the hardware in 2019, since thermal requirements won't have changed a whole lot for anything except the 15" machine with discrete graphics. But I'm with you. I'd love to see a new 16" notebook with slim bezels.
 
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Then there is the fact that your RAM/SSD is now set for the life of your system. You read about users of 2008-2013 MacBooks who have managed to bring life to their machines with upgrades that back then were either not available or weren’t necessary. You won’t be seeing these MacBooks lasting 10 years like yesteryears.

In Norway and other EU countries, you have stronger consumer rights than in the US, which means you have the right to get your Mac problems fixed free for five years after purchase, as the computer is supposed to last that long according to the law. It's a bit different for businesses in Norway, and your rights to get things solved leans heavier on the brands warranty.

I would never go ten years without upgrading. At around the five year mark, you are pushing your luck regarding compatibility running the latest macOS. A lot of hardware along with new software solutions have also made the computer lagging behind.

Of course you can still use a classic MacBook Pro 13", but an old computer will never be cool like a vintage car or motorcycle.
 
Is anyone with a 2017 or older computer who was originally considering getting the 2019 feel that their "excitement" (for lack of better word) is somewhat dampened with the looming bloomberg report that apple will ditch intel chips in 2020? I originally was going to sell my 2017 and get the 2018, but I feel like its all moot. of course that an unverified rumor, but software-wise it does seem apple is headed in that direction. interesting next few years for the mbp. however, i somehow feel the 15" version might be the last one to get a custom apple CPU since its the most "pro" model.
 
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Looks like Apple had a good heads up on Intels roadmap, hence the rumored reason they are switching to their A-Series. By the time I visit the states next year, it would be one year since the Coffee Lake MBP's have been released. I think I'm just going to pickup a Surface Laptop to hold me over until late 2021.
 
Yes, the Dell XPS can upgrade the ram, storage, and battery. Many if not most laptops are not sealed and have some form of upgradability. There are the ultrabooks that are more likely to be sealed but by and large, many laptops are not. Razer Blade is another laptop that is very upgradeable.

As for the parts selection, they're on par with the MBP, the Razer Blade for instance uses the same core i7 CPU, and has a much superior GPU, the Dell uses the same CPUS including the i9 and that also has a superior GPU.
The real challenge is not just to design a product like current MacBooks but keep the most important features like some ports or upgrade ports. See LG Gram that is so thin and light and still upgradeable with DIMM slots. If Apple is so innovative they may redesign SO-DIMM slots or to redesign a mainboard PCB. Problem of LAN connector is solved long time ago because you can use a design like in Samsung ultrabooks without loosing a sexy slim design (in some companies IT security policy is so strong that you cannot connect to network using Wi-Fi).
 
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Is anyone with a 2017 or older computer who was originally considering getting the 2019 feel that their "excitement" (for lack of better word) is somewhat dampened with the looming bloomberg report that apple will ditch intel chips in 2020? I originally was going to sell my 2017 and get the 2018, but I feel like its all moot. of course that an unverified rumor, but software-wise it does seem apple is headed in that direction. interesting next few years for the mbp. however, i somehow feel the 15" version might be the last one to get a custom apple CPU since its the most "pro" model.
Unless we use nothing but first-party Mac software, we realistically shouldn't even want to get in on the first-gen of ARM Macs because they're going to be a bumpy ride to some extent.
 
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Unless we use nothing but first-party Mac software, we realistically shouldn't even want to get in on the first-gen of ARM Macs because they're going to be a bumpy ride to some extent.

People said the same thing about Intel Macs. I can see Apple secretly working with key developers like Adobe, AutoDesk, Mathematica, Microsoft and some lesser known ones to have their apps compiled for macOS on ARM. Microsoft has also made some key investments in engineering over the past few years to ensure Office is cross platform by design.

Also, the same strategy might be used that was applied to Intel Macs. Start with a consumer facing product like the MacBook to test the waters then eventually build towards a Pro SKU.
 
I find this thread funny. Nothing wrong with my 2018 MBPro, loving it!!!

Enjoy your wait.
While I'm also quite happy with my 2018 model so far, we shouldn't forget that not everyone perceives it as a wait because people all bought their previous machines at different times and therefore don't all feel the need to upgrade at the same time. Most of the people here don't hold off from buying the 2018 model out of their dissatisfaction for it or stubbornness to wait for Cannonlake or whatever, but because they just don't need a new MBP just yet or just can't yet justify upgrading.

Many people with the 2016 or 2017 model are gonna look at the 2018 models and think "Aaah... well the performance leap and all that is nice, but from the outside I practically still have the newest machine, maybe I consider buying a new one in another 1-2 years". I'd wager even many people out there with a 2015 model or earlier just can't justify an upgrade just yet and decide to hold off and see what next year's model brings.
 
So with the eGPU I've really become a fan of the insides on the MBP for the most part. These three things would set me up for a while of contentment.

1) GPU. Vega should be out this fall w/ more variants in the fall. On the CPU side perhaps Intel switched to AMD which is running a 7nm process.
What Vega GPU is running 7 nm process?

ONLY Vega GPU is 4096 GCN Core HPC monster than has over 150W TDP. The "Vega" that is in Kaby Lake-G Chips is actually Polaris architecture with HBM2, and it is made on 14 nm process.
 
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Has anyone read about the Lenovo X1 Extreme which is apparently coming out around next month (or September)? It is the XPS 15/MacBook 15 rival. For those who are OS-agnostic, it could be an interesting option instead of waiting for the 2019/2020 revision.

Saying that, as it is unchartered territory for Lenovo, it might be marred by a lot of QA issues.
 
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I find this thread funny. Nothing wrong with my 2018 MBPro, loving it!!!
Same here, its a great computer and I'm quite pleased that I waited for the 3rd generation of this thin design. The only thing, I do find a bummer is the GPU is so underpowered. Now, I don't need that type of performance, but coming from a Razer that runs the same CPU, I do see a difference. Nonetheless it handles everything I throw at it. I'm quite pleased.

I'm just on the fence to run windows via bootcamp or via VM. I'm re-trying the VM path, and I'm actually liking that a bit more. Its mostly needed for remote access.
 
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