Well, I was going to purchase 2018 MBP to replace my 2011 MBP, but after seeing possible problems with T2 and Bridge OS, I guess I will wait another year and hope Apple fixes all these issues.
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Waiting for the 2019 MBP [Merged]
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Intel delayed Cannonlake a year to Christmas 2019. Looks like 2020 is the earliest we'll get a Cannonlake chip assuming 1) they don't get delayed again (they are not even close people) 2) Apple doesn't start doing it's own chips and just bail.
https://www.theinquirer.net/inquire...lake-processors-delayed-again-until-late-2019
https://www.theinquirer.net/inquire...lake-processors-delayed-again-until-late-2019
Does this mean that we might have these new 2018 MBPs for quite a while before a refresh? That might mean that the next refresh would probably be a big one (design refresh perhaps/ screen res increase, etc).
Delayed again, should have known.
This thread is titled "Waiting for the 2019 MacBook Pro". The needs of professionals and power users are different from average consumers, and Apple's custom ARM chip is a long way from being good enough for the pro products.
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Redesigns on average happen every four years; so if the next one is expected in 2020, and assuming Cannon Lake availability doesn't happen until the last couple months of 2019 or 2020, I'd at least like to see a minor refresh of the GPU and display resolution before then.
But at this point there's really no way of knowing for sure.
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I'm not sure we can expect to see a typical redesign in 2020 or soon after. As Apple continues to see the majority of their revenues from iOS and services, it minimizes the incentive to undertake a formal redesign as frequently for the Mac lines.
As you mention, we should see incremental updates like GPU/Display bumps, but from an overall package perspective I don't think we'll see anything major in the near term. From an R&D & bug perspective, it doesn't really make sense in terms of cost (redesigns always increase costs from bugs that pop up at the start, such as keyboard issues in this generation that have been smoothed out over the past few years). Tim Cook is all about operations, and Apple is likely just hitting their stride now for this current model generation in terms of maximizing profits per machine built (based on manufacturing efficiency/reliability). I doubt he's especially excited to start all over again. Not to mention, many people agree the current design is maybe the best they've ever had in terms of aesthetics/portability, it was just maybe a little too aggressive too soon as we've seen from the chassis limiting the ultimate performance potential. That will be solved however with intel's chips on the roadmap and then I think we'll see very little complaints about the overall package. Personally, I am not sick of the current look/feel of the device and I'm not itching for anything major to change that can't be included in minor revisions each year.
We can look at the iMac line as an example. The iMac overall design has not changed much in the past almost 10 years and when they released the iMac Pro, it continued with the same general design.
I'm still not sold on the ARM switch in less than ~5 years for the pro line, but at that point I could see a major redesign to coincide. Until then, I think we see the intel die shrink improvements lead to Apple focusing on advertising the battery/performance increases, along with bumps to other core components to generate sales (GPU/Display/Webcam,etc).
thanks for this, dunno how to proceed though
https://www.extremetech.com/computi...take-performance-hit-spectre-meltdown-patches
im reading articles that say the effects on apple products has been negligible
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A lot of people would've been happy had Apple just replaced Thunderbolt 2 with Thunderbolt 3 / USB-C, gave us a Space Gray color, maybe a few other changes like improved internal speakers, larger trackpad and the Touch Bar, and called it good for the 2016 models.
But instead, we got a new .1" thinner design design with no shortage of issues: lack of commonly-used ports or MagSafe, worse keyboard key travel and reliability, inadequate cooling, lesser batter life. So I almost hope that Apple doesn't attempt another redesign in 2020, because who knows what we'll end up with then.
Because of how huge iOS and services is to Apple, is exactly why Apple will continue to invest into MacBooks, iMacs etc.
Without the software and apps driving the Apple ecosystem - we won’t gave all those sales of iPhones, apps, Apple Music and iCloud subscriptions etc.
If Apple abandoned all their MacBooks and desktop lineups - over time less people will be using their macOS. This will definitely have a downstream effect on the rest of Apple.
It is in Apple’s interest to get people into macOS. Every developer who doesn’t invest in macOS is potentially an iOS or otherwise developer they miss out on.
If Intel's 10nm process had some fatal flaw, and in reality was not going to go into high volume production, EVER... Would they have some legal obligation to fess up?
I'm not saying they will abandon or neglect macs, they will just focus on increasing performance in the current design. This is exactly what developers who create the Apple ecosystem want - the best performance for their workflow. And if Apple puts a higher focus on making that happen rather than slimming the case down another few mm, this will continue to attract developers. If they, for example, focus on internal redesigns as they did with the iMac pro/cooling improvements, it will allow the machines to sustain higher clock-speeds for longer periods.
Any redesign - external or internal, costs Apple money, and I just don't think at this time there is as much of a demand from users for another external overhaul in the typical 4 year timeframe. Apple can afford to push it out a few years longer than normal, and this would actually best suit developers as well, assuming this comes along with well targeted incremental updates on a yearly basis.
I don't think so; there were already some rumors/supposed leaks recently about Intel's 9th generation of chips coming this fall, so if Intel sticks to their usual release cycle then we'll get this 9th generation chips in fall (only the desktop-variants though), the mobile lineup of the 9th generation sometime in the first half of 2019 and probably a MacBook Pro refresh mid or second half of 2019.
Now how big the performance increase of the 9th generation will be is another question, mind you, since they obviously won't be the long-awaited 10mm Cannonlake and will therefore most likely just be another 5-10% spec bump like we had many over the last couple years. Coffeelake was the by far biggest performance jump in years and it most likely won't repeat itself before either Cannonlike (still doubtful about that) or before Apple switches to their own chips. So while I don't think we'll have to wait for the 2019 MBPs longer than usual, I wouldn't expect them to be a big leap forward in either performance or design/features (seeing as the next big redesign probably won't come before 2020 if Apple sticks to their usual redesign schedule).
You can’t just ignore the design. Students of tomorrow will go to buy laptops and if the competition wow them with their new designs and Apple appear archaic and lose their reputation in that aspect, you’ll have virtually no one buying them.
If anything Apples focus is to get as many people to join the macOS platform - and you do that not by Geek or Prime bench marks, but having a product that appeals to people and design is a huge factor to that. Heck the touch bar which I hate is still an example of how they want to market something cool to win business.
If no one is innovating then it will stop Apple having to redesign of course - but Apple will follow closely what everyone else is doing and making sure their laptops are desirable.
We’ve seen the work to introduce dark mode on mojave which will appeal to many. They are also planning to get iOS APP integration and this will further increase the appeal to own a Mac.
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Agreed that a lot of what is going to sell to the average consumer is the look of the product. But I think the current design is not at threat of becoming archaic in the near term (beyond minor things that can be fixed in yearly enhancements, such as smaller bezels). They could at least afford to hold off for a few years longer than normal without impacting sales IMO.
Other companies are still just trying to copy the MBP look, and until someone else creates something more desirable that causes consumers to look the other direction, there is not a major risk right now of Apple losing out by becoming stale.
I have a thunderbolt port in my mbp late 2013, that has no similarity with the thunderbolt(3?)-usb c ports of new macs.
What has changed?
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They increased the speed significantly from 2 to 3 and then integrated it so that it can work with USB C. Note: All thunderbolt poets that are shaped like USB C do both, but some ports only do usb C and not thunderbolt.
I'm old enough to remember the PowerPC to Intel switch - it wasn't pretty. We were saddled with dual-binaries (and compatibility modes) for years.
The 2year (and going) 10nm delay threw a serious monkey wrench in all of these plans. Its now clear that plan B is being improvised. I hope Apple learns a lesson and plans more conservatively. An option could be to spawn a new line of premium machines (desktop and mobile) for professionals and enthusiasts. This could shut us all up AND feed the eco-system with sexy yearly models. Just a thought.
So, we know now that Intel's Icelake parts won't be available until 2020. This means major performance gains--as well as a likely hardware refresh--are still two years away. Of course, that refresh could also be an ARM design--but an ARM design is two years away at least.
Those of you waiting specifically for a 2019 machine, what are you hoping to see? Upgraded GPUs?
Those of you waiting specifically for a 2019 machine, what are you hoping to see? Upgraded GPUs?
That delay is unfortunate. If we had the chips we have now but 10nm that ran cooler we'd see massive performance gains.
Hopefully AMD will soon shake up mobile chips the same way they have the desktop market
Intel is just plain struggling, I'm not sure why and at this point, its probably more acute, because of tablets and mobile computing encroaching on their business.
So with the eGPU I've really become a fan of the insides on the MBP for the most part. These three things would set me up for a while of contentment.
1) GPU. Vega should be out this fall w/ more variants in the fall. On the CPU side perhaps Intel switched to AMD which is running a 7nm process.
2) Reduced Bezels with increased screen size option. I doubt we'll ever get our beloved 17 inch screen size back (altho a larger frame would allow for more cooling) but perhaps 16 inches from bezel reduction. 12/14/16 sizes as always been rumored possible. I sure would love 17 tho!
3) FaceID.
Honestly at that point the thing is pretty perfect and I'll be set for a while.
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I was thinking about this. What I could see them doing is keeping the chassis size the same, but reducing Bezels to expand the screen out. So 13” expands to 14” and 15” expands to 16” but footprint remains the same. Of course other option is keep screen size same and reduce footprint. But with the first option they have the advantage of not having to shrink the internals and retaining space for things like cooling solutions
