Waiting for the 2019 MBP [Merged]

[Naimfan]

Being a fired employee, you have to take everything he said with a grain of salt. I wouldn’t however be surprised if QA has been reduced in Apple, going over my experience of iOS/macOS over the years. It’s not a rare occurrence in the industry as a whole as fast feature releases make money, while good QA doesn’t except in the long term (brand loyalty/reliability of software). You could say Apple have short term priorities, which kind of makes sense as the CEO has shareholders to please.

If there weren't a number of other people saying the same thing, your assertion would be stronger. But there are. Whether the person was fired or not is irrelevant to the accuracy of what they are saying. The quantity of other evidence that supports what he or she said supports the credibility of what they said.

 

[Queen6]

If there weren't a number of other people saying the same thing, your assertion would be stronger. But there are. Whether the person was fired or not is irrelevant to the accuracy of what they are saying. The quantity of other evidence that supports what he or she said supports the credibility of what they said.

I agree, Apple's always priced itself as a premium product, I always felt that Apple delivered in the past. This simply changed with the sad demise of Steve Jobs. Under Steve's tenure was the design & engineering perfect no, was every product 100% reliable no, equally one felt that there was a distinct push to really design & produce the best possible hardware for the user, push boundaries and innovate.

Today Apple is simply set up to "milk" it's customers to the max at every possible opportunity, what a waste and such a shame as the Mac had so much potential to really make the difference. Tim Cook is a tremendous CEO and truly delivers, unfortunately he delivers first and foremost to the stock holders & board.

Fundamentally Apple has sold out, stopped designing & producing the best it can for it's customers, focusing on margins to become a trillion dollar company. Once Apple was truly very different, it really did "Think Differently" more importantly Apple delivered, today it's about one thing, and one thing only, $$$$ such a disappointment...

Q-6

 

[Naimfan]

I agree, Apple's always priced itself as a premium product and I always felt that Apple delivered in the past. This simply changed with the sad demise of Steve Jobs. Under Steve's tenure was the design & engineering perfect no, was every product 100% reliable no, equally one felt that there was a definitive push to really design & produce the best possible hardware, push boundaries and innovate.

Today Apple is simply set up to "milk" it's customers to the max at every possible opportunity, what a waste and such a shame as the Mac had so much potential to really make the difference. Tim Cook is a tremendous CEO and truly delivers, unfortunately he delivers first and foremost to the share holders & the board. Fundamentally Apple has sold out, stopped designing & producing the best it can for it's customers, focusing on margins to become a trillion dollar company.

Once Apple was truly very different, it did really "Think Differently" more importantly Apple delivered, today it's about one thing, and one thing only $ such a disappointment...

Q-6

I agree.

Apple = Xerox.

 

[Queen6]

I agree.

Apple = Xerox.

Tragic really, could have been so much more...

Q-6

 

[Ma2k5]

I agree, Apple's always priced itself as a premium product, I always felt that Apple delivered in the past. This simply changed with the sad demise of Steve Jobs. Under Steve's tenure was the design & engineering perfect no, was every product 100% reliable no, equally one felt that there was a distinct push to really design & produce the best possible hardware for the user, push boundaries and innovate.

Today Apple is simply set up to "milk" it's customers to the max at every possible opportunity, what a waste and such a shame as the Mac had so much potential to really make the difference. Tim Cook is a tremendous CEO and truly delivers, unfortunately he delivers first and foremost to the stock holders & the board.

Fundamentally Apple has sold out, stopped designing & producing the best it can for it's customers, focusing on margins to become a trillion dollar company. Once Apple was truly very different, it really did "Think Differently" more importantly Apple delivered, today it's about one thing, and one thing only, $$$$ such a disappointment...

Q-6

I wonder if this is to do with Steve Jobs, or that the competition had evolved and become more fierce over the years. I mean I can see in both the laptop and mobile phone world, the premium choice available now compared to before is huge, gone are the days when plastic was still king for both mobiles and laptops, with only 2 maybe 3 "premium" choices. The competition no longer focus on the budget/mid market wholly and now happily produce very expensive products. Just look at the cost of the first Pixel or One Plus phone and it's cost now to see how much the market has moved.

Apple now need to make new things fast to keep up but also need to keep up with profits. There is an engineering principle with a triangle representing Time, Quality and Cost. Sometimes quality is unfortunately diminished to get products out fast and without costing too much to maximise profit.

 

[awesomedeluxe]

Really guys, I think the majority of users here aren’t really interested in or benefit from 100% min max of CPU/dGPU.

Whether it’s 14nm, 12nm, 10nm or 7nm, will it really improve your workflow? - I mean it won’t drastically change how we use our MacBooks.

Here? You mean, here, at macrumors, in the Waiting for the 20XX Macbook Pro thread?

I literally check this thread to stay up to date on silicon manufacturing processes.

 

[gaanee]

Isn't that symptomatic of the system itself when CEO and other executives' performance is evaluated based on the stock price and how much profit they bring in and not how good their product is or how ethical company's practices are. Also, the argument that customer can vote with their wallet isn't always feasible especially once the company gets its customers locked in to its ecosystem and then the only motivation for executives is to keep those customers locked in by providing incremental updates and making it difficult to switch as much as possible.
During Steve Jobs' days Apple was an underdog and not really mainstream, so they had every incentive to design break-through products focusing on quality and premium appeal that can revolutionize the industry, challenge the status quo and tilt the balance in it's favor. Now with iPhone at the top of the market segment, Apple is more content with incremental updates and keep it like that until someone challenges it

I agree, Apple's always priced itself as a premium product, I always felt that Apple delivered in the past. This simply changed with the sad demise of Steve Jobs. Under Steve's tenure was the design & engineering perfect no, was every product 100% reliable no, equally one felt that there was a distinct push to really design & produce the best possible hardware for the user, push boundaries and innovate.

Today Apple is simply set up to "milk" it's customers to the max at every possible opportunity, what a waste and such a shame as the Mac had so much potential to really make the difference. Tim Cook is a tremendous CEO and truly delivers, unfortunately he delivers first and foremost to the stock holders & board.

Fundamentally Apple has sold out, stopped designing & producing the best it can for it's customers, focusing on margins to become a trillion dollar company. Once Apple was truly very different, it really did "Think Differently" more importantly Apple delivered, today it's about one thing, and one thing only, $$$$ such a disappointment...

Q-6

 

[Ma2k5]

Here? You mean, here, at macrumors, in the Waiting for the 20XX Macbook Pro thread?

I literally check this thread to stay up to date on silicon manufacturing processes.

Wrong thread to stay up to date, Apple are last to adopt anything new.

 

[keiji11]

i was thinking to buy a 13 macbook pro 2018 but I reli hate the keyboard and went for the 2015 model instead. I will buy a newer model when apple remove the butterfly keyboards. In the mean time he 2015 model is great accept for the speakers.

 

[roland.g]

Overall I think the 2018 Macs are good and personally I like them. If I were in the market right now I would pick one up, but they do seem to have become more expensive, especially the higher specced models. I bought my now sold 2012 rMBP with 2.3GHz CPU, 16GB of RAM, 256GB SSD, and dGPU for JPY 202,400 including tax (just was about US$2,000 at the time, I think), which is less than a similarly specced model today.

I'm on a 4 or 5 year cycle, so for me I will pick up my next MBP in 2020/21. Looking forward to it, but also look forward to continue using my 2016 MBP until then.

I'm on a 2012 13" Air and a 2014 Mini (that replaced a 27" iMac). I want to relegate the Mini to a home media server and get a MBP, but with the prices being a little higher than I would have liked and a couple other reasons I've delayed, and likely being another month out, that puts me 110-120 days from release. Part of me thinks at that point I should wait for the June/July 2019 refresh. Only bummer is that the 2020 is likely going to be a more a true design change. Here's to hoping if I do hold out till 2019 that 15" get LPDDR and that SSDs drop a little. I'd be thrilled if they could get the 15" in at sub 4 lbs too.

Ideally a 15" low end cpu, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD.

 

[throAU]

£1,699 for the Spectre X360, £1,899 for the XPS, £2699 for the MacBook Pro equivalently specced... is MacOS (as a personal indulgence) really worth £800-£1,000 to me?

BUT YOU GET A TOUCH BAR!

/sarcasm
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Prices are hardly higher, my MacBook 15 Retina 2012 and my MacBook 17 Pro in 2009 were almost the same prices and we even had the Euro-Dollar conversion.

Meanwhile here in Australia, equivalent spec (same storage, same RAM) to my 2015 machine before the quad cores just dropped was an extra $500 (or a price rise of 20-25%). For a marginally faster CPU and a touch-bar. With a dodgy keyboard.

Thanks, but no thanks.

I'll consider the 2018 quad core, but the pricing is a joke. I'd maybe grudgingly pay it for macOS, but i'm certainly not happy with the direction things are going. More likely i'll consider a battery replacement and wait it out until there's something worth buying.

Mac laptops used to be good value, no question between say 2010 and 2015. Thats a much more difficult sell in 2017-2018.

 

[cool11]

touch bar...the 'funny' and possibly useless innovation...

 

[maxsquared]

Wrong thread to stay up to date, Apple are last to adopt anything new.

Said Apple used to the first to use Intel’s new cpus.

 

[Ma2k5]

Said Apple used to the first to use Intel’s new cpus.

Keyword highlighted.

 

[EightyTwenty]

So are they really not going to update the 2017 entry-level MacBook Pro?

What a joke. I don’t want that stupid gimmick Touch Bar crap.

 

[Falhófnir]

So are they really not going to update the 2017 entry-level MacBook Pro?

What a joke. I don’t want that stupid gimmick Touch Bar crap.

Looks like it will be replaced with a new MacBook/air - you will likely lose iris graphics in gaining a quad core cpu though...

 

[scorpio187]

So when do you think we'll see the next gen? Q1, Q2 or Q3 '19?

 

[benface]

My guess is WWDC 2019.

 

[Howard2k]

For a low end 13” I’d guess before the end of the year.

 

[scorpio187]

And for a high-end 15”?

 

[Naimfan]

And for a high-end 15”?

Never.

 

[maflynn]

For a low end 13” I’d guess before the end of the year.

If we don't see anything in the next two weeks, I don't think we'll see anything for 2018 - just my guess.

 

[AlexJoda]

AMD Vega mobile for 2019.

It took Touch ID three years to come to the Mac. Face ID will have been out for two. So Face ID on the Mac will probably be a 2020 thing.

The authentication on a notebook with a full keyboard and maybe a fingerprint sensor is not such a critical thing that influences a buying decision. You don't login all day with a notebook like with a smartphone...
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Who said anything about 8K? I just want 3360x2100

The resolution of the 2018 models is a deal-breaker for me. For $2,399+, I at least expect a better resolution than my 6-year-old MacBook Pro has, without having to use a scaled resolution.

Are your eyes are getting better in the last 6 years? So why a higher resolution that leads to display anything smaller? More than x2 (e.g. X3 or X4) does also make no sense on a notebook. I even did not understand the big outcry that the iPhone Xr has only X2. So why this higher resolutions?

 

[redheeler]

Are your eyes are getting better in the last 6 years? So why a higher resolution that leads to display anything smaller? More than x2 (e.g. X3 or X4) does also make no sense on a notebook.

The 2018 MacBook Pro, when running at the default resolution, is running below 2x. About 1.71x. Asking for 3360x2100 is asking for 2x, not more than 2x.

I even did not understand the big outcry that the iPhone Xr has only X2. So why this higher resolutions?

An above-2x pixel density makes sense on a smartphone because those are used at a closer viewing distance, and it's also more cost-effective on smaller displays.

 

[AlexJoda]

The 2018 MacBook Pro, when running at the default resolution, is running below 2x. About 1.71x. Asking for 3360x2100 is asking for 2x, not more than 2x.

An above-2x pixel density makes sense on a smartphone because those are used at a closer viewing distance, and it's also more cost-effective on smaller displays.

The native point resolution of the 15“ MBP Retina display with it’s 2880x1800 pixels is 1440x900. That is obviously 2x and that was the default from the first Retina display 2012 until 2016 (and the default resolution from the standard MBP display from 2006-2012 at 1x). Apple changed the default in 2016 to a point resolution of 1680x1050 („Looks like 1680×1050“) which is not correct in my opinion because everything gets too small and blurry. Many are changing that back again to 1440x900 because anything different than 2x (or 3x, 4x or even 1x) means a non 1:1 integer pixel scaling and therefore blurryness.

You are right to ask for a 3360x2100 pixel resolution if you like the smaller 1680x1050 point resolution at 2x but this is too small for my old eyes....