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I am thinking Apple will come out with a new design when there is a die shrink, that may be what they are waiting for.
They may have had a new slimmer bezel design ready to go but didn’t do it this time because still are on 14nm. I don’t think Apple likes to design around increased heat like making the chassis larger or thicker because more cores or frequency. I think they will want to make changes when there are more options from lower heat during die shrink. Then they can improve with thinner, smaller chassis (bezels) without affecting battery life. I really enjoy my new 15 base coming from 13, I didn’t want to wait for a new design cycle so I went ahead with it. 6 cores was enough of an improvement for me. With newer cores is when they may hit hard with new features, form factor etc.
 
I am thinking Apple will come out with a new design when there is a die shrink, that may be what they are waiting for.
They may have had a new slimmer bezel design ready to go but didn’t do it this time because still are on 14nm. I don’t think Apple likes to design around increased heat like making the chassis larger or thicker because more cores or frequency. I think they will want to make changes when there are more options from lower heat during die shrink. Then they can improve with thinner, smaller chassis (bezels) without affecting battery life. I really enjoy my new 15 base coming from 13, I didn’t want to wait for a new design cycle so I went ahead with it. 6 cores was enough of an improvement for me. With newer cores is when they may hit hard with new features, form factor etc.
Recent rumours would suggest it will arrive in 2020 with a switch to Apple designed custom ARM CPUs. It’s also been rumoured the keyboard will be replaced entirely with a large touch surface with haptic feedback, the former I’m personally ok with, the latter really not so much
 
If we don't see anything in the next two weeks, I don't think we'll see anything for 2018 - just my guess.
I am starting to think the same thing. With the iPhone XR coming at the end of the month, they probably don’t want to have another event to take away from that. They are likely to push the new iPads and Macs launch out to March just to keep the quarterly momentum going.
 
It’s also been rumoured the keyboard will be replaced entirely with a large touch surface with haptic feedback, the former I’m personally ok with, the latter really not so much
On the plus side, it won't require replacing every four weeks, on the minus side – how am I supposed to type on that? I very much hope this is a false rumour, perhaps the haptic feedback will be added to the new iPad Pros.
 
On the plus side, it won't require replacing every four weeks, on the minus side – how am I supposed to type on that? I very much hope this is a false rumour, perhaps the haptic feedback will be added to the new iPad Pros.
True, honesty I'm surprised how tenacious Apple have been in sticking with the butterfly keyboard, especially considering they've gone through 4 (3.5?) versions of it in 4 years! As low as the key travel is on the butterfly design, it does at least have a minimal amount of give, and this is important for comfort when typing. Haptic feedback can't change the fact you're ultimately drumming your fingers against a solid glass surface. I'd really like to see a laptop using the magic keyboard keys - c'mon Apple you know it makes sense!
 
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True, honesty I'm surprised how tenacious Apple have been in sticking with the butterfly keyboard, especially considering they've gone through 4 (3.5?) versions of it in 4 years! As low as the key travel is on the butterfly design, it does at least have a minimal amount of give, and this is important for comfort when typing. Haptic feedback can't change the fact you're ultimately drumming your fingers against a solid glass surface. I'd really like to see a laptop using the magic keyboard keys - c'mon Apple you know it makes sense!

Dell’s magnet based maglev solution seems good (XPS 9575), although early days.
 
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True, honesty I'm surprised how tenacious Apple have been in sticking with the butterfly keyboard, especially considering they've gone through 4 (3.5?) versions of it in 4 years! As low as the key travel is on the butterfly design, it does at least have a minimal amount of give, and this is important for comfort when typing. Haptic feedback can't change the fact you're ultimately drumming your fingers against a solid glass surface. I'd really like to see a laptop using the magic keyboard keys - c'mon Apple you know it makes sense!

But it'll be thinner and look nicer, after all that's what really matters...

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Dell’s magnet based maglev solution seems good (XPS 9575), although early days.
That does sound interesting, some of the reviewers say it’s almost similar in feel to the butterfly keyboard in the MBPs (I believe it’s got 1.0mm of travel so still quite limited) I might see if I can find a display model to have a play with
But it'll be thinner and look nicer, after all that's what really matters...

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I guess the thing is I do actually appreciate those aspects, but arguably it’s already gone too far with the problems and design compromises the current machines have made. The 15” in particular is a wonderfully portable machine for the screen size it offers, but seems to be riddled with problems arising from pushing the engineering to this extreme...
 
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On the plus side, it won't require replacing every four weeks, on the minus side – how am I supposed to type on that? I very much hope this is a false rumour, perhaps the haptic feedback will be added to the new iPad Pros.
Keep in mind that this wasn’t even a rumor, it was just a patent by Apple. Doesn’t mean that it’s ever going to happen, or even that it’s very likely to happen in the foreseeable future. There are tons of patents from Apple that never found their way into a product.

Having said that, I don’t think a glass surface as a MacBook keyboard is impossible to happen, but at the very least I don’t expect it to happen without some serious advancements in haptic technology. It seems like a super-impractical idea with our current technology and state-of-the-art Taptic Engine’s, but 10-15 years from now or even further into the future? Who knows. 10-15 years ago most people would likely have heavily contested that trackpad that doesn’t physically click down but instead has a click feeling generated by a haptic engine would ever be comparable, let alone better than a physical trackpad, and with many of the same arguments that people are contesting the idea of a „glass“-keyboard now - and look how the tables have turned, with the current haptic trackpads from Apple being almost universally agreed upon as one of, if not the best in the industry.

Is it feasible now? No, most certainly not. But it might very well be a distant long-term goal that Apple is slowly working towards, with the Touch Bar being the first step and the rumored on-key E-Ink screens maybe being the next.
 
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True, honesty I'm surprised how tenacious Apple have been in sticking with the butterfly keyboard, especially considering they've gone through 4 (3.5?) versions of it in 4 years! As low as the key travel is on the butterfly design, it does at least have a minimal amount of give, and this is important for comfort when typing. Haptic feedback can't change the fact you're ultimately drumming your fingers against a solid glass surface. I'd really like to see a laptop using the magic keyboard keys - c'mon Apple you know it makes sense!

They could make a keyboard with 'chiclet style' keys (separated a bit for easy finger orientation) that just did a slight even collapse but no key mechanism under it to take up space. A haptic response could be put on each key to simulate further travel. Then they could offer a setting for different levels of haptic response for preference. They would probably have to wire to each key to register the input. Not sure if it would make much of an improvement though.
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Recent rumours would suggest it will arrive in 2020 with a switch to Apple designed custom ARM CPUs. It’s also been rumoured the keyboard will be replaced entirely with a large touch surface with haptic feedback, the former I’m personally ok with, the latter really not so much

I don't really know what this would do if they switched to ARM.
Would it require software apps to be coded specially for it or could Apple find a way to get it to run native x86 code and then pay licensing fees.
 
Recent rumours would suggest it will arrive in 2020 with a switch to Apple designed custom ARM CPUs. It’s also been rumoured the keyboard will be replaced entirely with a large touch surface with haptic feedback, the former I’m personally ok with, the latter really not so much
Wonder if that’s true.
 
I wish I could peak into the future and see what form laptops take in 2020/21.

Just saw Huawei’s latest phone (Mate 20 Pro) and honestly it was the first time in years that a phone got me excited. It gives me hope that companies will strive to innovate, and I’m hoping the same in the laptop space.
 
I wish I could peak into the future and see what form laptops take in 2020/21.

Just saw Huawei’s latest phone (Mate 20 Pro) and honestly it was the first time in years that a phone got me excited. It gives me hope that companies will strive to innovate, and I’m hoping the same in the laptop space.

Isn’t that just a copy of the iPhone X?
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There are no rumors of the keyboard being replaced.
Ohh good. I was really scared. Using the A series chip on the other hand might work pretty perfect.
 
Isn’t that just a copy of the iPhone X?
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Ohh good. I was really scared. Using the A series chip on the other hand might work pretty perfect.

As someone with the iPhone X, I wish. My phone has crappy battery life. This phone has superb battery life, a better front and rear camera, better screen, and the option not to use FaceID, and more. Love the twilight colour design too. Can recharge Qi based devices like wireless earbuds just by placing it on it. Oh, and it’s cheaper and comes with a watch and charging stand if I pre order. They also still provide a 3.5mm dongle, Apple stooped doing that.

I also noticed, at least in UK, network signal and wireless internet connectivity is far more better on Android phones. Side by side, my iPhone gets around half what my Android phones do, and this has been the case over several iterations and I have no idea why!
 
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It seems that rumors about ARM cpu on macs, are true!
Not for 2019 models, but for sure for next future models, like 2020-1.
Just read here
https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...0-or-2021-apple-car-in-2023-says-ming-chi-kuo

My question is:
Will an arm based mac, be compatible in some way, with running windows somehow on the machine?

I confess that my transition in mac world was back in 2006, when Jobs leaved motorola cpus for intel.
I knew that in any case, I can have windows at worst case scenario.
And I guess I am not the only one having such thoughts....

No problem to try ARM, but I would like some estimations/predictions if virtualization like parallels, would allow me to run windows as well, to fully cover all my needs for every case, just on a single mac machine.
Unfortunately, in articles' comments, I read that such a movement, will cut virtualization, and this is really bad news.... :(
 
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The real question to ask is not whether Mac will run Windows but whether Windows will run on Mac.
If Apple indeed shifts to its own in-house A-chip then it wouldn't be too much concerned about running Windows. That decision is based on other priorities.
It's the question to be asked to Microsoft whether it will make Windows compatible with Apple's A-chip. Microsoft already has Windows on ARM so shouldn't be an issue unless Apple chooses to lock Bootcamp and 2nd OS.


It seems that rumors about ARM cpu on macs, are true!
Not for 2019 models, but for sure for next future models, like 2020-1.
Just read here
https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...0-or-2021-apple-car-in-2023-says-ming-chi-kuo

My question is:
Will an arm based mac, be compatible in some way, with running windows somehow on the machine?

I confess that my transition in mac world was back in 2006, when Jobs leaved motorola cpus for intel.
I knew that in any case, I can have windows at worst case scenario.
And I guess I am not the only one having such thoughts....

No problem to try ARM, but I would like some estimations/predictions if virtualization like parallels, would allow me to run windows as well, to fully cover all my needs for every case, just on a single mac machine.
Unfortunately, in articles' comments, I read that such a movement, will cut virtualization, and this is really bad news.... :(
 
I think I'm done. Their pricing is gone insane to me. I could buy one, I'm just not willing to pay those prices.[/QUOTE

When you can find many really fast windows computers for $500 or less, it just does not seem smart to buy an Apple computer for around $1,700, Sure i understand the Apple computer has a better quality of build but the cheaper systems work and i have not read or heard of them just having a lot of failures.
 
Will Apple ever release another 17" laptop? I needed to borrow a friend's laptop last year (I think it was even 19") after that it's hard to look at any laptop any smaller, the screen size made it usable (for me). Connecting a monitor defeats the portability of the laptop - I have a desktop for office work. Really hope Apple brings back a bigger laptop. 17" ok 19" that would be great!
 
Will Apple ever release another 17" laptop? I needed to borrow a friend's laptop last year (I think it was even 19") after that it's hard to look at any laptop any smaller, the screen size made it usable (for me). Connecting a monitor defeats the portability of the laptop - I have a desktop for office work. Really hope Apple brings back a bigger laptop. 17" ok 19" that would be great!

Don't hold your breath . . .
 
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Yep. Apple probably (rightly) guessed that the majority of people do not want a portable 17” - and would better be served by an iMac/desktop.

Not saying there aren’t people who would like a 17” portable, but like the 11” Air, probably not enough people.
 
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Yep. Apple probably (rightly) guessed that the majority of people do not want a portable 17” - and would better be served by an iMac/desktop.

Not saying there aren’t people who would like a 17” portable, but like the 11” Air, probably not enough people.

Sad but true!
 
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Yep, I think the 17" MacBook Pro, at least from Apple's perspective, is more of a relict out of a time where many of the technologies that are standard in the current day's MacBook Pros just weren't feasibly doable in the smaller models. The obvious one being screen size: the 17" back when it was around was the only model with a 1080p screen (1920x1200, to be precise), whereas the other models featured displays with 900p and lower. Today, even the entry-level 12" MacBook has a significantly higher resolution than that. If you wanted to consume or edit 1080p content back then at its full resolution, in a laptop, then the 17" was your only choice. Now you can easily choose any up-to-date laptop from Apple for that (the Air aside, though even that might change a few days from now).

Today, any of the MacBook Pros will be fine for the tasks that, back in the day, essentially forced you into a 17" model if you wanted to have the portability of a laptop for it (and even then, a 17" MacBook pro came with significant portability-restrictions compared to the 13" and 15" one). Besides, the simplicity and capabilities of external display-setups have far increased since back then – today, if you want more screen-real-estate than your MacBook Pro comes with, USB-C/Thunderbolt aswell as the huge selection of external screens to choose from makes that a far easier, better and more affordable option than it was back then. It's easy as pie to just plug one USB-C cable into your MBP when you're at home and jump into the desktop screen and setup of your exact choosing that can contain multiple up-to-5K-screens, even forgetting that it's your MBP that powers that all.

There were also other upsides to having a 17" model back then that wouldn't really apply today anymore, for example having more space for a port selection (a 17" model from Apple today would probably still only get the four USB-C ports), the differences in performance and so on.

I can't say that I'm entirely happy with this – it doesn't apply to me personally, but I think there is a group of professionals that would very much profit from a 17" MacBook Pro even today, namely those that want even more screen size than the current models allow but want at least somewhat of the portability of a laptop. An iMac Pro for example is pretty much forced into one place and can't be easily carried into a new location in your house/workplace, let alone taken to places outside of it. A 17" laptop could still be carried around when necessary, even it won't fit into many bags or backpacks. I think a similar argument to 1080p content back then could also be made for 4K content today since even the 15" model still has a sub-4K screen resolution. But despite all that, I see why they are not doing it anymore. The reasons for choosing a hypothetical 17" MacBook Pro have diminished significantly since then, and the group of people who would actually buy one is much smaller, so from Apple's perspective, it's probably just not worth the R&D and resources.
 
Yep, I think the 17" MacBook Pro, at least from Apple's perspective, is more of a relict out of a time where many of the technologies that are standard in the current day's MacBook Pros just weren't feasibly doable in the smaller models. The obvious one being screen size: the 17" back when it was around was the only model with a 1080p screen (1920x1200, to be precise), whereas the other models featured displays with 900p and lower. Today, even the entry-level 12" MacBook has a significantly higher resolution than that. If you wanted to consume or edit 1080p content back then at its full resolution, in a laptop, then the 17" was your only choice.

Today, any of the MacBook Pros will be fine for the tasks that, back in the day, essentially forced you into a 17" model if you wanted to have the portability of a laptop for it (and even then, a 17" MacBook pro came with significant portability-restrictions compared to the 13" and 15" one).
1080p not has been the high-res standard for video for the last few years, that would be 3840p (4K). The 15" and 13" Apple laptops are 1800p and 1600p respectively, which isn't nearly enough to display 4K video at 1:1.

So it's basically the same situation now with the current high-res standard, but for the fact there is no 17" MacBook Pro as your "only choice"...
Besides, the simplicity and capabilities of external display-setups have far increased since back then – today, if you want more screen-real-estate than your MacBook Pro comes with, USB-C/Thunderbolt aswell as the huge selection of external screens to choose from makes that a far easier and better option than it was back then.
There was a wide selection of external displays both then and now. Even Apple's older 30" Cinema Display was still a good option in 2011, though it's difficult to recommend any of the Apple displays now (including the Thunderbolt Display), they are all showing their age in 2018.
There were also other upsides to having a 17" model back then that wouldn't really apply today anymore, for example having more space for a port selection (a 17" model from Apple today would probably still only get the four USB-C ports), the differences in performance and so on.
It's possible that a 17" MacBook Pro would have enough space for a third Thunderbolt controller, or two more ports to make six. I personally would rather see the return of established ports like USB-A or SD card slot though.

As for performance, the 15" MacBook Pro could be purchased with comparable specs to the 17" MacBook Pro, so the 17" never offered an advantage there.
 
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1080p not has been the high-res standard for video for the last few years, that would be 3840p (4K). The 15" and 13" Apple laptops are 1800p and 1600p respectively, which isn't nearly enough to display 4K video at 1:1.

So it's basically the same situation now with the current high-res standard, but for the fact there is no 17" MacBook Pro as your "only choice"...
Hence my point literally two paragraphs below what you quoted that a similar argument about what 1080p was back then could be made today about 4K, you are essentially just agreeing with that ;)

Though, since you opened that bottle, I'm not sure if I'd call it the same situation, for a number of reasons. For one, if Apple were to use the same pixel density that they have on the current 2018 MBs/MBPs for a 17" one (namely, 220dpi), then we would likely still end up below 4K, presumably at around 2000 pixels vertically (by the way, wouldn't 4K be 2160p, not 3840p like you say, as this number derives from the vertical, not horizontal amount of pixels?). So it would be closer to 4K than we are now, but still not quite there. One could make an argument that Apple could just depart from their current pixel density on a hypothetical 17" model either way, but then again, if that were to happen then we'd also get a resolution bump in the 13" and 15" models aswell, likely pushing (at least) the 15" model up to or above the 4K barrier and making that argument irrelevant either way.

Secondly, most people would find the jump from 1800p to 2160p not nearly as large as the jump from 900p to 1080p – our current "Retina" screens are already above the threshold where the average human eye can distinguish between individual pixels at a normal screen distance, which is not true for the jump from 900p to 1080p. And thirdly, I'd hardly call 4K the (one and only) standard for video content – it's one standard, alongside 1080p, 1440p and so on. There is still plenty of video content that is only available in sub-4K resolutions, for a variety of reasons. Many streaming services like Netflix have 1080p as a standard option for subscribers (with a premium-tier with 4K content above that, and even then, a large part of their library just isn't available in that resolution), a large portion of videos uploaded to YouTube and other video sites are still "only" 1080p or 1440p. And so on and on. For a great deal of people, the 4K content that they watch makes only a small fraction of the video content they consume in total.

Don't get me wrong – there are absolutely people that would profit from a 17" screen with a higher resolution on a MBP; if you believe that I'm against the idea of such a model then you haven't been reading my previous comment till the end. But from Apple's perspective, it just makes much less sense to offer one than a 17" model did back in 2011 and earlier, with the resolution of the current machines being one big factor why. My guess is that the next resolution bump on the MacBook-side of things will be in one of their next big redesigns in form of a pixel density increase, not in the introduction of a 17" model. If the 15" model gets a resolution bump up to a clean x2 of their standard base resolution (instead of the below-x2 one that they are sitting at now), then we'd have a 2100p screen in them (and maybe they just bump it up to 2160p at this point and make 1080p the standard base resolution).
As for performance, the 15" MacBook Pro could be purchased with comparable specs to the 17" MacBook Pro, so the 17" never offered an advantage there.
Possibly, though I'm doubtful if Apple would really put 6 USB-C ports in such a model, even if they could. But even then, the port difference would arguably not be as significant as it was back then where the larger sizes had entire ports that weren't at all on the smaller models, whereas now all four ports can "do the same".
 
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