Waiting for the 2019 MBP [Merged]

[Painter2002]

What I'm interested is a review of the octo-core laptop. If people thought that the 2018 i9 model ran too hot, how much hotter will the octo-core one be.

At this point I feel like Apple (and other ultraportable manufacturers) are just tossing these CPUs in for the specs on paper, without much care for whether or not they actually perform to the actual advertised specs.

To be honest though, at this point, how many users who need an 8-core processor are actually going to buy it in a laptop form? I could bet the majority of people who truly need that much power are going to have a tower PC, with a lower powered laptop for portability.

 

[maflynn]

At this point I feel like Apple (and other ultraportable manufacturers) are just tossing these CPUs in for the specs on paper, without much care for whether or not they actually perform to the actual advertised specs.

To be sure, other some other makers are doing that, but from what I researched late last year before I purchased the thinkpad, there are a number of computer makers designed thermal solutions to manage the heat from the Coffee Lake processors.

For instance, Razer not only uses a vapor chamber, but late in 2018 they stopped painting it, as they felt the bare copper managed the heat better. MSI, ASUS and Lenovo all seem to have models that handle the demands of the hotter chips better then Apple imo.

 

[linxy33]

Don't get your hopes high. I highly doubt they will release a 16/16.5 inch model during WWDC.

Two Main Reasons:
1. If they have other MBP products there is no reason for releasing the 15inch updates now. They can just release them all together. It's not like announcing new MBPs with better CPUs will take them too much time during the presentation.
2. There are no significantly better CPUs/GPUs at this moment they could use in a bigger MBP. In order to sell bigger models that are different enough from the 15inch - they need to show that there is a big performance gap to justify the price - and I simply don't see they have a lot of options to do that this year.
If they do release a 16inch with similar CPU/GPU but says it has better thermals - that basically admits that the 15inch design cannot effectively handle the thermals (which may or may not be true). That's a big middle finger to all 15inch owners.
Better screens? They do not affect performance much. I highly doubt that can justify the price gap between the 16 & the 15 if their performance is not that different.

I doubt there will be another MBP release this year either for similar reasons. That doesn't mean Ming Chi Kuo is completely wrong on this one. There must be a new chassis under development it just might not be for this year. R&D often takes years and the final product might be very very different from what the initial leaks show.

I have to agree wit this no matter how much I don't want to..
But.. Anything can be up Apples sleeve - they released a iPhone 8 along side a brand new future forward iPhone design.

sorry I keep responding to your posts.. I'm in Boston too #GoBruins

 

[pallymore]

I have to agree wit this no matter how much I don't want to..
But.. Anything can be up Apples sleeve - they released a iPhone 8 along side a brand new future forward iPhone design.

sorry I keep responding to your posts.. I'm in Boston too #GoBruins

Well iPhone 8 & X were released during the same event. Also they are different enough - raw performance/specs are probably not the most important factor when you compare the two - but that's not gonna be the case for computers.

And to Apple, iPhones are probably way more important than Macs now. iPhone 8 wasn't that different from iPhone 7 (it's more like a 7s) and they desperately needed something special to show for the 10 year iPhone anniversary.

#GoBruins

 

[wallysb01]

Apple is probably waiting for 10nm from Intel, or they are gonna switch to in house CPU+GPU.
If they are waiting for Intel, 2021 for redesign at earliest. If they are switching to their own cpu we can expect a redesign in 2020.

With 10nm and redesign, I will wait for other users to be beta testers. With switching to their own cpu, well, I will have to wait at least 2-3 years for software to catch up.

Either way, I'm away from Apple for a long period of time. And there are more like me, and there will be even more like me.

I see this the other way. This is a chance to get in with a relatively well known product. Wait of course for the initial reviews, for example, we'll probably see someone throw a bunch of crumbs and dust not he keyboard.... But if the initial test look ok, I'm upgrading from this 2015 and my wife from her old 2011. Otherwise wait times for anything substantially different are going to be too dang long for the reasons you state. 2021 for Ice Lake, and if its ARM, youch, I'm going to need to see that pan out for a while before I jump in those waters. For all the folks on 2015 or older, this likely represents as good of a buying chance as we'll have for the next 2 years. Of course, back to school discounts aren't too far away either.

 

[MacFather]

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[applesed]

Any remote ideas on when we’ll have an option for non touch bar MacBook Pro?
[doublepost=1558547895][/doublepost]That is newly updated and 15 inch

 

[Dave245]

Any remote ideas on when we’ll have an option for non touch bar MacBook Pro?
[doublepost=1558547895][/doublepost]That is newly updated and 15 inch

I don’t think they will make a none Touch Bar 15” the 13” none Touch Bar hasn’t been updated in a while now, i wouldn’t be surprised to see it removed.

 

[c0ppo]

I’ve waited for a while, if you have seen previous posts by me I have gone back and forward between waiting, getting the new Air, waiting again because of the keyboard issue. Now I’m at a point where I don’t want to wait any more.

I’m going to give it a week and see what the initial teardowns and reviews say, but during the week of WWDC I will be buying a new MacBook. I just hope the new material Apple have used fixes the keyboard issue.

I’m very much looking at the 13” MacBook Pro, what I’ve noticed tho is they don’t seem to have upgraded the processors on the 13” all that much, compared with last years version anyway.

Teardowns can't show if the new keyboard is reliable or not. Considering this is their 4th try, I highly doubt it will be any better. But for your sake, I do hope that they managed to finally fix it. Good luck.

I see this the other way. This is a chance to get in with a relatively well known product. Wait of course for the initial reviews, for example, we'll probably see someone throw a bunch of crumbs and dust not he keyboard....

While dust or crumbs are probably bad for butterfly keyboards, they aren't the main reason for failure. Design of the keyboard itself is. It's a really shi*ty keyboard to say the least. But this time they might have fixed it with new materials. But I remain skeptical, and I wouldn't trust Apple on anything they say at this moment.

But likewise, I wish you all the luck in the world with new MBP.

 

[wallysb01]

While dust or crumbs are probably bad for butterfly keyboards, they aren't the main reason for failure. Design of the keyboard itself is. It's a really shi*ty keyboard to say the least. But this time they might have fixed it with new materials. But I remain skeptical, and I wouldn't trust Apple on anything they say at this moment.

But likewise, I wish you all the luck in the world with new MBP.

Well, its likely the best we're going to get in the near future. The current machine is obviously slower, the 16GB of RAM is becoming an issue, the batteries are dying, software support might even come to be an issue by the end of the wait. The 2011 is obviously having that problem already. So, the hand is largely forced. If the keyboard turns out to be a dud, it will be a shorter and computationally easier wait until 2021. Much of the time I work on it, I have an external keyboard hooked up anyway. Far from perfect, but at this point its the best of the choices.

 

[Ploki]

Just looking at the MacBook Pro pricing from a decade ago (mid-2009 models) when Apple had a huge lead over anyone else in the notebook business. Good old days...

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17$ markup then judging by the 8-core?

 

[wilfred2013]

Reliability aside .. that near zero travel keyboard is disgusting to type on

 

[Eason85]

Yes he does, last year he predicted near enough everything correct.

Apple Watch Series 4 with ECG
iPhone XS and XS Max as well as XR
iPad Pros with an all new design
AirPods 2

He got all of those correct. I think the 16” new design has either been delayed or it’s coming at an October event.

I recall him predicting tons of new macbook models with 32GB ram including a new form-factor in 2018 -- they were literally all wrong.

 

[frou]

To be honest though, at this point, how many users who need an 8-core processor are actually going to buy it in a laptop form? I could bet the majority of people who truly need that much power are going to have a tower PC, with a lower powered laptop for portability.

only 8 cores? Psssh... that's 11" iPad Pro territory

 

[Dave245]

I recall him predicting tons of new macbook models with 32GB ram including a new form-factor in 2018 -- they were literally all wrong.

The 32GB Ram option did come true, it was available in the 15” MacBook Pro while the 13” got 16GB option.
He predicted a new form factor of a 16” MacBook Pro for 2019.

 

[linxy33]

some users should be receiving their new MacBook pros today.. maybe some reviewers.

 

[Ckjie]

Should I buy MacBook Pro 2019 or MacBook Air 2018?
Using for work, heavy Microsoft Outlook, Excel and PowerPoint.

 

[MacRS4]

2019 i9 8 Core 2.3Ghz GeekBench 4 for you. Ta daaa.

 

[linxy33]

2019 i9 8 Core 2.3Ghz GeekBench 4 for you. Ta daaa.

the best I can say to this is.. ehhh.

 

[Aquamite]

2019 i9 8 Core 2.3Ghz GeekBench 4 for you. Ta daaa.

That’s a lot. Even higher at MC than the 2013 12 core Mac Pro.

 

[MacRS4]

Is that a good thing Aha.

Some performance perspective for you...

[doublepost=1558621393][/doublepost]They've definitely done something to the thermals on this. I'm not seeing any throttling - maxed out it's averaging about 2.6-2.8Ghz, and an operating temperature of 87degs.

That's a lot better than my i9 by comparison. Video coming shortly should anyone be interested.

 

[Perezx]

Hmmm, lets just give it a couple hours @100% load and then measure again - how much of this power will still remain.

 

[afir93]

Is that a good thing Aha.

Some performance perspective for you...

[doublepost=1558621393][/doublepost]They've definitely done something to the thermals on this. I'm not seeing any throttling - maxed out it's averaging about 2.6-2.8Ghz, and an operating temperature of 87degs.

That's a lot better than my i9 by comparison. Video coming shortly should anyone be interested.

Interesting. The multi-core gain isn't exactly insignificant, I expected it to be smaller due to all the thermal constraints, and what you say about the temperature is an interesting tidbit. Maybe they did improve the cooling system after all, after listening to all the complaints about the 2018 model?

Looking forward to seeing some teardowns and reviews about it, even if I'm afraid that whatever they did to it will make my 2018 6-core MBP look old in comparison

 

[MacRS4]

Hmmm, lets just give it a couple hours @100% load and then measure again - how much of this power will still remain.

Well, it's been 100% ish since I unboxed it....currently sitting on 88 degrees, and 2.8Ghz.

 

[wallysb01]

Well, it's been 100% ish since I unboxed it....currently sitting on 88 degrees, and 2.8Ghz.

Good stuff. As we know it only takes a couple minutes for the heat to reach a steady state. No need for hours of benchmarking. Thanks for posting this. Very exciting.