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Thank you! You absoultely said it best. If you start excluding people who don't make $XX,XXX.XX/year, or live in a "poor" area (no Apple products for Brooklyn residents, yes to Manhattan residents; Compton no, Malibu yes), you escalate to a dangerous form hierarchy. I know they say "whenever anyone mentions Nazis, the thread is officially dead", but, c'mon!

Gee, you're happy that iPads sell like hotcakes, but if you found out it was some minimum wage worker who saved for months to buy one, you'd say they aren't worthy of owning it? :mad:


Yep. I make minimum wage and I'm saving for a Mac Mini and once I buy it is it too good for me to have?
 
I don't like the lack of exclusivity that comes with carrying a product at Wal-Mart. Call me a snob, but that's what I think. Neg'd it.
 
The state of Washington (USA) has to pay out millions of dollars a year for Wallmart employees that don't make enough and need food stamp assistance. Once this stops I will THINK about buying things from them. Until then, no way. Pay better, livable wages first.

Maybe the state of Washington (USA) needs to stop paying out millions of dollars to Walmart employees that is causing them to be enslaved in a lower social-economical life!

If the government handouts stop and they can't make it on a Walmart paycheck, what will the Walmart workers do? Well, there is always looking for a better job. If not here, move! If you think you are worth more, demand more! Sell yourself. Start your own business. Why is it there are people with stories like, I came into town with but a suitcase and $200.00 bucks and now I own my own company, employ "x" amount of people and make very good money? Why can this person do it and a Walmart worker can't. Go back to school. I hear this all the time, I don't have the money and I can't get a loan. Scrimp and save, it may take double the years to complete your education, but others have done it in the past. Why can't the poor Walmart worker? Why can't the poor Walmart worker, work hard for Walmart and if truly appreciated by Walmart, be promoted. I bet Walmart can drag out some examples of promotion from within that has been done before. What is it with this society that expects things to be handed to them on a silver platter, 15 minutes ago? A deprivation in todays mindset is Starbucks being out of your favorite coffee. I loved it when Michele Obama was at a soup kitchen and a benefactor was taking pictures of Michele with their Cell Phone camera. Which begs to ask, "If this unidentified meal recipient is too poor to buy his own food, how does he afford a cellphone? And if he is homeless, where do they send the cellphone bills?" I bet there is some government program that gives out cell phones. Yeah, let's talk about priorities. :mad:

The more you depend upon government charity, the less you depend on yourself to get out of the situation you are in. And side by side, who doles out more? Who pays more? Walmart? Or the US Government? Tally up what you'd receive from both. Added together, I'm sure it looks great. Side by side, I'll bet you learn, that for all its talk about livable wage, the US government doesn't own up to all the rhetoric it espouses! :rolleyes:

Back in the day, my English mother completed her full education and was employed at aged sixteen at a UK mail room. She married my father who at the time was in the Air Force stationed in England. As newlyweds they came back to America, got what jobs they could. My mother eventually got a job from a man who started his business in the trunk of his car. My father would help out with this startup company, after working his full time job working for the government (Civil Service mechanic at a Naval Base). In the end, my moms boss had three production plants in two states. My mom, with no accounting degree but just plain street smarts, rose to the level of comptroller and was her boss's right hand with regards to his business. My parents stayed with my father's parents for a while, then rented an apartment, then rented a house and then purchased a house over many years. They never relied on the government, they lived within their means and if they needed more they'd work more. It was that simple! What?! People can't do that today? Or won't?! (barring an economic recession, brought on by greedy Wall Streeters and unscrupulous politicians policies and made worse by the current crop of inept politicians).

"The Founders had a deep concern for the poor and needy. Disciples of the collectivist Left in the Founders’ day as well as our own have insisted that compassion for the poor requires that the federal government become involved in taking from the “haves” and giving to the “have nots.” Benjamin Franklin had been one of the “have nots,” and after living several years in England where he saw government welfare programs in operation, he had considerable to say about these public charities and their counterproductive compassion.

Franklin wrote a whole essay on the subject and told one of his friends: “I have long been of your opinion, that your legal provision for the poor (in England ) is a very great evil, operating as it does to the encouragement of idleness. We have followed your example, and begin now to see our error, and, I hope, shall reform it.”

Compassion which breeds debilitating dependency and weakness is counterproductive.
Compassion which blunts the desire or necessity to work for a living is counterproductive.
Compassion which smothers the instinct to strive and excel is counterproductive.

Nevertheless, the Founders recognized that it is a mandate of God to help the poor and underprivileged. It is interesting how they said this should be done.

Franklin wrote: “To relieve the misfortunes of our fellow creatures is concurring with the Deity; it is godlike; but, if we provide encouragement for laziness, and supports for folly, may we not be found fighting against the order of God and Nature, which perhaps has appointed want and misery as the proper punishments for, and cautions against, as well as necessary consequences of, idleness and extravagance? When ever we attempt to amend the scheme of Providence , and to interfere with the government of the world, we had need be very circumspect, lest we do more harm than good.”

Nearly all of the Founders seem to have acquired deep convictions that assisting those in need had to be done through means which might be called “calculated” compassion.

Highlights from their writings suggest the following:
Do not completely care for the needy–merely help them to help themselves.
Give the poor the satisfaction of “earned achievement” instead of rewarding them without achievement.
Allow the poor to climb the “appreciation ladder”–from tents to cabins, cabins to cottages, cottages to comfortable houses.
Where emergency help is provided, do not prolong it to the point where it becomes habitual.
Strictly enforce the scale of “fixed responsibility.” The first and foremost level of responsibility is with the individual himself; the second level is the family; then the church; next the community; finally the county, and, in a disaster or emergency, the state. Under no circumstances was the federal government to become involved in public welfare. The Founders felt it would corrupt the government and also the poor. No constitutional authority exists for the federal government to participate in so-called social welfare programs. (Making of America p 218-220)
The U. S. Constitution states in Article I, section 8: The people of the states empower the Congress to expend money (for the enumerated purposes listed in Article I, section 8), provided it is done in a way that benefits the general welfare of the whole people. Thomas Jefferson explained that this clause was not a grant of power to “spend” for the general welfare of the people, but was intended to “limit the power of taxation” to matters which provided for the welfare of “the Union ” or the welfare of the whole nation. In other words, federal taxes could not be levied for states, countries, cities, or special interest groups."
- What ever happen to that way of thinking. American Ruggedness, Individualism, Personal Responsibilty. You don't hear it from todays politicians. The Bernie Madoffs of today, from both parties up in Washingotn DC, are too busy buying off your vote!
 
That is too funny and we have similar people here at my local Wal-Mart. Anyone that knows anything about Technology will not buy from Wal-Mart. Someone that is wanting to save a few pennies will buy from them.

I don't even grocery shop at Wal-Mart. Screw them and their evil company.

Anyone that knows anything about shopping knows that the product inside the box is the same regardless of the retailer.
 
I don't know why, but I really like getting a new Apple product or whatever at the actual store. I don't know why but that's what I do for most of my Apple products.
 
Nope. But I'm smart enough to understand that a phone with the most awesome screen and the worlds greatest apps is a complete pile of **** if the carrier that provides the service drops a huge number of my calls. Making it an AWFUL phone. Thus I'll get the Touch version, which I'm betting will run the vast majority of the same apps, have the same improved screen, and most likely sport the same exact camera. Buying an expensive phone is one thing, locking myself into a 2 year contract with a phone company that cant provide reliable service is something completely different and unacceptable. I gave Apple 2 chances to impress me with the iPhone. They failed. And yes, a big part of that failure is the carrier they're locked to, but a big part of the equation of why calls are being dropped is the iPhone itself. I can take a cheap ATT Go Phone into the same areas where ATT is dropping my iPhone calls and not a single call gets dropped.

But I guess the ability to discern the crap from the good is what makes me merely an Apple fan instead of a fanboy.
I'm down with that. If you get crappy AT&T service where you live, you *should* change carriers and phones. However, I live in San Diego where AT&T service is pretty damn good.

Also, understand that I don't think everybody should have an iPhone just because I have one and it works for me. If somebody says they prefer Android OS I'm OK with that.

I will admit that have an iMac, iPad, iPhone and Apple TV. Does that make me a fanboy? I really don't know and I really don't care. I like the seamless experience between my desktop, 'Pad and iPhone that Mobile Me provides. I'm out and about a lot and the wireless syncing of email, calendar events and contacts is worth its weight in gold to me. That said, I am disappointed that the Apple TV has yet to evolve.
 
And yes, a big part of that failure is the carrier they're locked to, but a big part of the equation of why calls are being dropped is the iPhone itself. I can take a cheap ATT Go Phone into the same areas where ATT is dropping my iPhone calls and not a single call gets dropped.

I'm betting the new antenna design of the iPhone 4 will improve signal strength and reduce or eliminate dropped calls. We'll see.

Me, I also live in San Diego. I had Verizon for quite some time before switching to AT&T with the release of the iPhone. Here in San Diego, AT&T does a marvelous job! I've NEVER had a dropped call on my iPhone that was the fault of the iPhone and AT&T. The few dropped calls I've had were with friends on Verizon and they lost their signal, not the other way around.

That said, I've also traveled with my current iPhone as well as with a Verizon DATA card for my laptop. When it comes to DATA coverage in the places I've traveled to (Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Nebraska, Kansas, Texas, Oklahoma, New Mexico and Arizona), Verizon's network is more reliable and provides better coverage.

So... I'm buying an iPhone 4 on AT&T but I'll be waiting for an announcement for the iPad/iPhone on Verizon. If that announcement comes along, I'll almost certainly get an iPad on Verizon. Then I'll have the best of both worlds.

Mark
 
I'm down with that. If you get crappy AT&T service where you live, you *should* change carriers and phones. However, I live in San Diego where AT&T service is pretty damn good.

Also, understand that I don't think everybody should have an iPhone just because I have one and it works for me. If somebody says they prefer Android OS I'm OK with that.

I will admit that have an iMac, iPad, iPhone and Apple TV. Does that make me a fanboy? I really don't know and I really don't care. I like the seamless experience between my desktop, 'Pad and iPhone that Mobile Me provides. I'm out and about a lot and the wireless syncing of email, calendar events and contacts is worth its weight in gold to me. That said, I am disappointed that the Apple TV has yet to evolve.

I own 3 iPods, a Touch, a MBP, an iMac and my wife has an iPad and an Apple TV(which we disconnected a year ago as it proved to be useless). Despite owning all that, I will never fall for Jobs' dog and pony show.I'm not one of those fools at the convention who cheer every lackluster announcement. I'm so disappointed in the iPhone and its weak OS mainly because I expect more from Apple. For Google to come out so strong and confident was impressive. They're the new "cool" company, whereas Apple is appearing so old.
 
I don't know if it's a fluke or what.. but where I live ATT coverage isn't the best but still almost never have my calls dropped on my iPhone.

I did go check out an HTC EVO the other day. Pretty cool phone. But although ATT isn't the greatest where I live, Sprint is much worse:-s.
 
I'm betting the new antenna design of the iPhone 4 will improve signal strength and reduce or eliminate dropped calls. We'll see.



So... I'm buying an iPhone 4 on AT&T but I'll be waiting for an announcement for the iPad/iPhone on Verizon. If that announcement comes along, I'll almost certainly get an iPad on Verizon. Then I'll have the best of both worlds.

Mark

If the antenna removes the dropped calls issue, I'll buy an iPhone next year when they release the magical version that finally gives us 4g like no one else has been able to. :cool: in a perfect world the EVO would be on verizon and then I could have the best phone and carrier.
 
Apple TV

In regards to the Apple TV. My uncle and I had a conversation before the WWDC and we were talking about cloud iTunes and everything. I am predicting that Apple will announce cloud iTunes with a new iPod and an upgraded Apple TV in September when they upgrade the ipods. This makes sense because Steve Jobs doesnt want any distractions from the iPhone 4.
 
As time goes by, I'm finding myself to be more of a portable gamer than console, so I'm really looking forward to seeing what Apple is going to do with Game Center. I hope its more than just a crappy ripoff of Xbox Live and Gamertags. Without real controls, I find it hard to get into the more arcadey games. The faux control stick in a lot of games just doesnt work well, but conversely there's a ton of great puzzle and word games on the iPod and iPad. I'm hoping Nintendo delivers huge with their next handheld being announced this week to complement what I'm getting on the Touch/iPad.
 
Still there. I think Apple said the service wont be active till the fall though. Right in time for the iPod (and iPod Touch) refresh ;).

Oh ok that's right. That makes sense. Thanks for the clear up :)

I'm way exited for the new Apple TV!!! I hope we see it this year!
 
Wow, spoken like a total conceited arrogant jerk w/ quite obvious hostility issues, who obviously lives in an AT&T sweetspot area of the US. Aw, you're okay, so to heck w/ the rest of us, eh? My iMac doesn't have any yellow tinting and/or cracked lower-left screen, so no problem actually exists.

Amen three times over to the first sentence, but after that... :rolleyes:

I don't know what post you read, but you totally blew it out of proportion. I never said NO issues exist. Sure there are issues, but are you telling me I'm wrong? I've yet to find "No Coverage" in a remotely populated area of upstate New York. Sure some remote backroads give me no bars, but not long even then.

Again, there will always be people who:
A) Get the iPhone and become unhappy with the network
B) Get another phone on their favorite network and become unhappy with the handset.
Always. Always always always. Unless of course, like me, everything is peachy-keen.

Telling a person to "****"? Yeah, buddy, consider your post flagged.

Flagged? Wow... :rolleyes: Please. Is that actually profanity? I believe that is an anagram. I find nothing wrong with that anagram.
 
Amen three times over to the first sentence, but after that... :rolleyes:

I don't know what post you read, but you totally blew it out of proportion. I never said NO issues exist. Sure there are issues, but are you telling me I'm wrong? I've yet to find "No Coverage" in a remotely populated area of upstate New York. Sure some remote backroads give me no bars, but not long even then.

Again, there will always be people who:
A) Get the iPhone and become unhappy with the network
B) Get another phone on their favorite network and become unhappy with the handset.
Always. Always always always. Unless of course, like me, everything is peachy-keen.



Flagged? Wow... :rolleyes: Please. Is that actually profanity? I believe that is an anagram. I find nothing wrong with that anagram.

On this forum, using stuff like that is actually a violation of their TOS. You'll get warned by a mod. Dumb? Yep.
 
On this forum, using stuff like that is actually a violation of their TOS. You'll get warned by a mod. Dumb? Yep.

Jesus. For an anagram? I know profanity was "frowned upon", but an anagram?

What I don't get is if I said that something was a POS, that would be ok - people do that all the time. I've even seen **** on here. A lot. So it's a rule based off the context of the profaniy? Whatever.

I'll follow then... Lesson learned. I have been subliminally scolded by the powers that be. I like this place in the end.
 
Apple Store Being Updated

I wonder if this has anything to do with the new iPhone – my bet is on iOS 4 – or that other updated hardware (Mac Pro maybe?) will arrive later today, but the Apple Store is currently being updated ;)
 
Semi Off topic, but I will be pre ordering an iPhone 4 from Apple on the 15th, will I be able to activate this at home, or will I need to take it into an Apple or AT&T store for activation? I hate Wal-Mart just as much if not more than the next guy(They screwed me over BAD, no homo) but I'm glad to see the iPhone being sold in more channels across the country. This will ensure that hopefully everyone that wants one on launch day will get one. Thus the reason for me pre ordering, don't want to lose out and I have to work all day on the 24th.
 
Semi Off topic, but I will be pre ordering an iPhone 4 from Apple on the 15th, will I be able to activate this at home, or will I need to take it into an Apple or AT&T store for activation? I hate Wal-Mart just as much if not more than the next guy(They screwed me over BAD, no homo) but I'm glad to see the iPhone being sold in more channels across the country. This will ensure that hopefully everyone that wants one on launch day will get one. Thus the reason for me pre ordering, don't want to lose out and I have to work all day on the 24th.

You can use iTunes at home to activate it yourself.
 
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