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Neither does WalMart. I'm not really a big fan, but it is simply *not* the case that they sold products at a loss, drove businesses out of business, and then raised prices. Feel free to provide any evidence that this happens, or stop repeating the lie.

Walmart does usually undercut local prices, of course, but they do so by efficiencies and economies of scale. WM *also* makes many more products available in rural areas than were ever available there before.

There are a decent number of studies that look at WM's impact on local economies, but (if you discount studies done by the AFL-CIO) by and large they show little real impact. And it's not like the wages paid at Kroger are much better than WM wages, either.

Some people also have a false view of what thing were like before WM came to rural communities - the "higher-wage paying" local retailers affected by WM typically had very limited hours (closing at 5 or 6), very little product selection, and had prices 40-50% higher than WM prices (or prices that could be found in a larger community) since they were, literally, the only game in town.

Exactly
 
More negative votes than positive? Really? Are the negative voters such elitists that you can't handle Wal-Mart selling the iPhone? Geez...

The fanboys love to quote sales numbers, but then have issues with where the phones were sold, yet seemingly have no issue with the conditions under which the phones are made. There's a reason Apple fanboys have the reputation of being self-entitled, basement dwelling elitist dullards. This thread illustrated that perfectly.
 
If I want an early morning freakshow, I'll go to my local Wal-Mart. I'll take a raincheck..

Have you never been in or seen a line at an Apple store? You could power New York City with just the wind coming from all of those mouth breathers.
 
Yeah Walmart is the evil one here.
Apple is the good guy.
They don't associate themselves with slave labor countries and companies.
SJ should be applauded for not stooping to cheap labor and unbearable working conditions provided by the assembly partners.

Good for Apple. F Walmart.

Apple contracts with Chinese companies that USE underpaid and overworked employees. At least Wal-Mart is responsible for mostly US employment. In proportion, Apple has higher overseas labour input.

So I'm sorry to disappoint, but there is an area, where Wal-Mart can keep its head high, compared to Apple Inc. :eek:
 
Do you have this in writing anywhere? All I can find on Apple's website is that "You’ll get free shipping as soon as your iPhone is available." but that doesn't really make me think I'll get it ON the 24th.

If it was guaranteed on the 24th, why wouldn't everyone just do that instead of waiting in huge lines for hours???

If the 3GS and iPad are any indication, if you pre order for home delivery you'll get it the day it's released, and while you're waiting for it, you can turn on the news and laugh at all the dummies lined up at various stores around the country.

The way it works is when you order it, Apples website is going to ask you for your phone number and zip code, and then its going to check your upgrade eligibility. If you meet it, you'll be charged the cheaper price and your phone will be delivered to UPS days prior to release day to ensure delivery on the 24th. You'll most likely not get it as quickly as the nerd who slept outside an Apple store though, but you'll be able to respect yourself the next morning.:)
 
Okay, Jackoff... oops, I mean jakill. Post your city and state. I dare you. So I can judge the area you're in to see if YOU are (status) "worthy" enough of owning one. What if -- as an example to prove a point -- I were to pick on the entire city of Buffalo. Or the blue collar working steel town of Pittsburgh. "Ew, now those nasty poor Buffalo people will be using MY elite smartphone. Gross." What would say? Or does it just break down to yearly income, geographical region be damned. No, no. Actually, there ARE rich people who may act "uncooth" to you. So that can't be it.

Chewing tobacco, seriously? Would you like to mention the rich Southern gentlemen who lived in grand Savannah mansions and chewed chewing tobacco, all while their slaves picked cotton in the fields?

So where it's going to end w/ you? Do Dollar Store customers fall under your category of people not worthy to scrape the gum off the bottom of your shoe?

G.D., it's people like you that make me want to give up on humanity. Hmm, so let's see? Just exactly what is your elite hierarchy as Apple products go?

I guess iPods are consider the runts of the litter and heck, SOMEBODY has to keep buying them to keep Apple stock up, so that's okay. What else? Well, certainly not MacBooks and/or iMacs. So I guess that puts it on the HIGH end of the have and have-not scales. So I guess in all your arrogance, you put the iPhone 4 in the middle of the sliding scale. The cut-off point. Oh, let those low-life "hillbillies" have their iPhone 3Gs. They're for poor people; like you drop a previous top-end piece of technology like it's a hot potato, just because something newer and better has been released.

God, I sooo wish I had an electric car so I could thumb my nose down at the "hillbilly" who still drives an uncooth, filthy gas car so I could put you in your place.
Completely agree. Some of these posts are sickening and completely ridiculous. It's hard to believe that people like this exist.

Does having a macbook, an imac, a couple ipods, and an ipad make you something special and untouchable? If so i havent gotten the memo yet i guess.

Hate wally world all you want, but judging someone because they bought an iphone there is quite low, imo.
 
Have you never been in or seen a line at an Apple store? You could power New York City with just the wind coming from all of those mouth breathers.

There is the circus and then there is the circus. I try never to think of the ilk that proceed in and out of the Wal-Mart stores around here.
 
This may keep me from buying from Apple at the pre-order time.

I know the store manager for my local wal-mart and he has assured me that I can get one at 12:01am on the 24th in any color I want. I haven't decided which color I want and I want to look at both before making that decision. That's what has kept me from being excited over the pre-order. I want to touch them.
 
The reality is that everyone who earns above min wage is actually competing in a 'free market' for their salary and the employer chooses to pay more to get/keep you. If your at min wage, your at a price floor. If your making 60K/yr, its cuz of your skills and you have to EARN the 60K vs just being given min wage for being a warm body.
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You know, I hate people who think that working retail is just being a working body. It's actually more work than a lot of more higher paying jobs. I know, I've done *both*. And trust me, my job that paid higher and had me sitting in front of a computer was a helluva lot less work than my job working retail. No, retail in general doesn't require a lot of skills. But please don't confuse that with it not requiring a lot of hard effort. A lot of times people working retail work harder and put up with more crap (including this attitude you have) from people than those who get higher paying jobs with better benefits.

And I'd say people at Walmart definitely earn their wage (and more) cause they have to put up with Walmart shoppers (no, I'm not saying everyone who shops at Walmart sux, but they do attract some really sucky people). Go read a site dedicated to retail workers bitching about customers. Walmart (and McDonald's) employees tend to get the most intersting stories (interesting means most annoying/crazy customers).
 
They will have to be un-bricked in store more than likely. When my girlfriend got her 3GS in store in March they still had to connect it to a modified iTunes on their Terminal to un-brick it.



They have already said that anyone who pre orders will be able to activate it at home, will look for the article from ATT and post it, but I for one am gonna pre order and have it sent to my job, UPS usually gets there at 10am so I will be able to get my work done first then have time to play :D.... Dont tell my boss!
 
Has anyone seen any articles as to how the iPhone 4 will be activated?
Does it has to be in store?
Can I take it home and "upgrade" my current ATT contract?

I wish someone would know

Without "knowing for certain", I can still tell you with certainty, you need to activate it in the store. Which is why I'm not going anywhere near Walmart, Radio Shack, or even AT&T....Apple will punch in your AT&T account info right on their handhelds, get you approved and upgraded, connect your new iPhone to iTunes (after you open the box and lift it out in glory), and once it shows up in iTunes, you're done. If you have mobileme, they usually hand it right back to you knowing you're all set to go, and that's it you're out the door.

Upgrading to 3GS took all of 10 minutes last year.
 
Okay, Jackoff... oops, I mean jakill. Post your city and state. I dare you. So I can judge the area you're in to see if YOU are (status) "worthy" enough of owning one. What if -- as an example to prove a point -- I were to pick on the entire city of Buffalo. Or the blue collar working steel town of Pittsburgh. "Ew, now those nasty poor Buffalo people will be using MY elite smartphone. Gross." What would say? Or does it just break down to yearly income, geographical region be damned. No, no. Actually, there ARE rich people who may act "uncooth" to you. So that can't be it.

Chewing tobacco, seriously? Would you like to mention the rich Southern gentlemen who lived in grand Savannah mansions and chewed chewing tobacco, all while their slaves picked cotton in the fields?

So where it's going to end w/ you? Do Dollar Store customers fall under your category of people not worthy to scrape the gum off the bottom of your shoe?

G.D., it's people like you that make me want to give up on humanity. Hmm, so let's see? Just exactly what is your elite hierarchy as Apple products go?

I guess iPods are consider the runts of the litter and heck, SOMEBODY has to keep buying them to keep Apple stock up, so that's okay. What else? Well, certainly not MacBooks and/or iMacs. So I guess that puts it on the HIGH end of the have and have-not scales. So I guess in all your arrogance, you put the iPhone 4 in the middle of the sliding scale. The cut-off point. Oh, let those low-life "hillbillies" have their iPhone 3Gs. They're for poor people; like you drop a previous top-end piece of technology like it's a hot potato, just because something newer and better has been released.

God, I sooo wish I had an electric car so I could thumb my nose down at the "hillbilly" who still drives an uncooth, filthy gas car so I could put you in your place.

Great post.

I hate walmart for the fact that it has ruined the entire concept of proprietorship, but it enables low income families to get what they need, and to take care of their children better. That's all that matters in the world.

Everyone is different, and in different situations. Don't judge people based on where they shop. If someone has very little money and they go to walmart to stretch the dollar as far as it can go for the benefit of their little kids, that person is a saint, not a hillbilly.
 
Man talk about people who don't know what they are doing. Never met anyone who was not completely stupid who worked at a radio shack. Their managers are the worst. It is like they promote their worst employees to manager.

So very true, I would go to Wally World far quicker than buy anything at Rat Shack.
 
Since most Walmarts are 24 hours, could we go in and get one at midnight? Or will they be brought out at 7am?

Gotta love the Walmarts! Lets all camp out next to the xBox, PS3 and Wii displays and get our game on. Way better than waiting outside the Apple Store! Lol.

You mean you don't want the religious experience of a pilgrimage to an Apple Store. :D
 
Wow... some of you guys really hate your retailers.

As far as I know not many other places in the world sledge their supermarkets like this, and yet they're all pretty much the same.
 
If the 3GS and iPad are any indication, if you pre order for home delivery you'll get it the day it's released, and while you're waiting for it, you can turn on the news and laugh at all the dummies lined up at various stores around the country.

The way it works is when you order it, Apples website is going to ask you for your phone number and zip code, and then its going to check your upgrade eligibility. If you meet it, you'll be charged the cheaper price and your phone will be delivered to UPS days prior to release day to ensure delivery on the 24th. You'll most likely not get it as quickly as the nerd who slept outside an Apple store though, but you'll be able to respect yourself the next morning.:)
I waited in line with my 24 year old daughter on the day the first iPhone was released. We arrived at the Apple Store @ 6AM and if my memory serves me correctly, the phone went on sale @ 6PM. It was a great experience. We met some really cool people and the media circus was a constant form of entertainment. We decided we would do it in style so we had shirts made that said, "Today the iPhone is my phone!" We also had a cake baked that looked exactly like an iPhone complete with icons. When the windows were blacked out just prior to the grand unveiling, we shared the cake with our new friends. I strongly recommend that everyone do something like this at least once in their life. Dress up like a vampire and stand in line to see a first run of a Twilight movie. Go to Comic Con dressed up like your super hero of choice. It's life; live it!

...or you can sit back and make bitter comments about others living it.

For the record, I don't live in a basement. I bring in a strong six figures a year and I own a nice home. Also for the record:

Cost of iPhone:$199

Getting to spend 12 hours with my grown daughter talking about life, death and everything in between and creating a lifelong memory in the process:*Priceless*
 
merlinw said:
So very true, I would go to Wally World far quicker than buy anything at Rat Shack.

does Wally World offer a trade-in value program for your old iPhone that could be used towards your new iPhone? Rat Shack does! To each their own.
 
I waited in line with my 24 year old daughter on the day the first iPhone was released. We arrived at the Apple Store @ 6AM and if my memory serves me correctly, the phone went on sale @ 6PM. It was a great experience. We met some really cool people and the media circus was a constant form of entertainment. We decided we would do it in style so we had shirts made that said, "Today the iPhone is my phone!" We also had a cake baked that looked exactly like an iPhone complete with icons. When the windows were blacked out just prior to the grand unveiling, we shared the cake with our new friends. I strongly recommend that everyone do something like this at least once in their life. Dress up like a vampire and stand in line to see a first run of a Twilight movie. Go to Comic Con dressed up like your super hero of choice. It's life; live it!

...or you can sit back and make bitter comments about others living it.

For the record, I don't live in a basement. I bring in a strong six figures a year and I own a nice home. Also for the record:

Cost of iPhone:$199

Getting to spend 12 hours with my grown daughter talking about life, death and everything in between and creating a lifelong memory in the process:*Priceless*

Time spent with family is always important, and its good you have those memories with her. My last meaningful memory with my father was of traveling to New Orleans with him after Katrina to help with the initial recovery effort. The man had millions of dollars but refused to simply write a check. He gave money and went to volunteer. Not to belittle your experience with your daughter, but I'm glad my last vivid memory of my father wasn't one of us waiting in line for some piece of consumer trash like a Wii or an iPhone. That doesn't cheapen the bond you have, it just cheapens the memory.

And I enjoyed your comic con story and the subsequent assumption that if I in fact didn't dress up like a nerd at a comic book convention that my life was somehow less valid than yours. I choose to travel around the world playing various golf courses. Sure, the clothes are probably as goofy as the ones you donned at your little convention, though, and ultimately the activity is just as frivolous as yours.

My issue isn't with the nerds sitting outside a store. By all means, if it somehow enriches your life do it. My issue is with the nerds that think people at a Wal Mart buying an iPhone are somehow lesser than they are because they're stupidly sitting outside of an Apple store instead. I can think of infinitely better uses of time than sitting outside waiting for a phone, a phone that actually sucks as a phone. Especially considering Apple will gladly just mail it to your home that day.

But to each their own. God bless the nerds on the ground outside the Apple stores and the nerds inside Wal-Mart. While they may have different opinions of one another, they're both ending up with the same crappy phone. Me, I'll wait for the inevitable Touch that uses the same screen and runs the same OS, but doesn't require me to pay a monthly fee to have my calls dropped.
 
I think you're missing the point....

You made generalizations about people who choose to stand in line for an iPhone and yet how could you possibly know what type of person would choose to do something like that if you weren't in line yourself. I *was* in line and the vast majority of people I met simply didn't meet your description.

BTW, once again you are making assumptions. I have *many* memories with my daughter and other family members before and after that fun day at the Apple Store. Standing in line for the iPhone was simply one of them. :rolleyes:

I have never gone to a Comic Con. I mentioned that because I live in San Diego and when the event hits, it's all over the news.

The one thing I think we agree on is that it matters not an ounce to me where someone chooses to get their phone; whatever brand it might be.
While they may have different opinions of one another, they're both ending up with the same crappy phone.
Don't even get me started. Yeah....you got it right and everyone else has it wrong. By any chance were you one of those people who started one of the iPad=fail threads?
 
The state of Washington (USA) has to pay out millions of dollars a year for Wallmart employees that don't make enough and need food stamp assistance. Once this stops I will THINK about buying things from them. Until then, no way. Pay better, livable wages first.

Or.... graduate high school. Get some ambition. Get a better job. Quit blaming others for your short comings and laziness
 
Completely agree. Some of these posts are sickening and completely ridiculous. It's hard to believe that people like this exist.

Does having a macbook, an imac, a couple ipods, and an ipad make you something special and untouchable? If so i havent gotten the memo yet i guess.

Hate wally world all you want, but judging someone because they bought an iphone there is quite low, imo.

They are usually these same folks
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155195
 
I think you're missing the point....

You made generalizations about people who choose to stand in line for an iPhone and yet how could you possibly know what type of person would choose to do something like that if you weren't in line yourself. I *was* in line and the vast majority of people I met simply didn't meet your description.

BTW, once again you are making assumptions. I have *many* memories with my daughter and other family members before and after that fun day at the Apple Store. Standing in line for the iPhone was simply one of them. :rolleyes:

I have never gone to a Comic Con. I mentioned that because I live in San Diego and when the event hits, it's all over the news.

The one thing I think we agree on is that it matters not an ounce to me where someone chooses to get their phone; whatever brand it might be.Don't even get me started. Yeah....you got it right and everyone else has it wrong. By any chance were you one of those people who started one of the iPad=fail threads?

Nope. But I'm smart enough to understand that a phone with the most awesome screen and the worlds greatest apps is a complete pile of **** if the carrier that provides the service drops a huge number of my calls. Making it an AWFUL phone. Thus I'll get the Touch version, which I'm betting will run the vast majority of the same apps, have the same improved screen, and most likely sport the same exact camera. Buying an expensive phone is one thing, locking myself into a 2 year contract with a phone company that cant provide reliable service is something completely different and unacceptable. I gave Apple 2 chances to impress me with the iPhone. They failed. And yes, a big part of that failure is the carrier they're locked to, but a big part of the equation of why calls are being dropped is the iPhone itself. I can take a cheap ATT Go Phone into the same areas where ATT is dropping my iPhone calls and not a single call gets dropped.

But I guess the ability to discern the crap from the good is what makes me merely an Apple fan instead of a fanboy.
 
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