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Wall Street Journal Q&A With Steve Jobs
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That's the beauty of it. There is SO much they can do with software updates alone. I've got a Nokia that can supposedly be updated online, but that's not supported well in the US at all, and who cares anyway because there are no updates to add sorely needed things.
Apple is not going to have this problem. They have a robust update system and I'll bet the farm that we will see very, very significant updates very soon, and they'll keep on coming.
Yeah, though usually when he gets so worked up like that he's defending a position he knows isn't the right one.
Interesting question. Intel is in Apple's corner, but AT&T and Sprint (the biggest deployer of WiMax) are competitors.
If Sprint starts putting up towers around here I'm switching providers, like that.
One can imagine a lot of things
We certainly can imagine a lot of things. Whether we'll see any of them remains to be seen.
So, to the 3G critics: do you want speed or battery life? I'll take battery life. There simply isn't a 3G device on the market that can compete with this.
Are there enough iPhones? No. Wait in line if you want one...and you know you do.
So much for the pre-announcement days. What will all the Apple haters blog about now?
We certainly can imagine a lot of things. Whether we'll see any of them remains to be seen.
So, to the 3G critics: do you want speed or battery life? I'll take battery life. There simply isn't a 3G device on the market that can compete with this.
Are there enough iPhones? No. Wait in line if you want one...and you know you do.
So much for the pre-announcement days. What will all the Apple haters blog about now?
iPhone 1.0 Will Last a While
Don't believe that Apple is going to pump out revisions once every year until they get it "right" like they did with the iPod. This current iPhone is mostly already "right" and they've taken a lot of cues from past experiences. Most of the features to be added can be done through software alone, and they specifically designed it that way. Apple realizes people will be signing 2-year contracts for this thing, and before that is up, upgrading your iPhone may be even more expensive.
I honestly don't expect to see the need for hardware changes in the near future. Of course, there will be new revisions, but you'll likely be waiting a good long while before seeing it.
Besides, I've had every revision iPod and really disliked version 2. Those buttons along the top were terrible. The click wheel was a great addition, but the original wheel is still my favorite. I achieved much more accurate scrolling because my thumb followed a circular arch where with the click wheel, I tend to brush over the center button which breaks speed.
The point to all this is simple - version 2.0 may have some new features, but may break other important onces. So do you want to wait until 3? or 4? I, for one, am going to bite the bullet and get in line tomorrow.
Don't believe that Apple is going to pump out revisions once every year until they get it "right" like they did with the iPod. This current iPhone is mostly already "right" and they've taken a lot of cues from past experiences. Most of the features to be added can be done through software alone, and they specifically designed it that way. Apple realizes people will be signing 2-year contracts for this thing, and before that is up, upgrading your iPhone may be even more expensive.
I honestly don't expect to see the need for hardware changes in the near future. Of course, there will be new revisions, but you'll likely be waiting a good long while before seeing it.
Besides, I've had every revision iPod and really disliked version 2. Those buttons along the top were terrible. The click wheel was a great addition, but the original wheel is still my favorite. I achieved much more accurate scrolling because my thumb followed a circular arch where with the click wheel, I tend to brush over the center button which breaks speed.
The point to all this is simple - version 2.0 may have some new features, but may break other important onces. So do you want to wait until 3? or 4? I, for one, am going to bite the bullet and get in line tomorrow.
UMTS & HSDPA hidden in iPhone?
SO why did they not ask Jobs if UMTS & HSDPA is hidden in iPhone? i.e. to be enabled in a future SW/FW update?! If not, then it is plain planned obsolescence.
HSDPA is on Treo 750 w/Windows Mobile 6...
http://palmaddict.typepad.com/palmaddicts/2007/06/treo-750-window.html
But Mac OS X iPhone is relegated to 2nd class EDGE?! huh!?
SO why did they not ask Jobs if UMTS & HSDPA is hidden in iPhone? i.e. to be enabled in a future SW/FW update?! If not, then it is plain planned obsolescence.
HSDPA is on Treo 750 w/Windows Mobile 6...
http://palmaddict.typepad.com/palmaddicts/2007/06/treo-750-window.html
But Mac OS X iPhone is relegated to 2nd class EDGE?! huh!?
I can see memory bumps as they become available. But I think you're right; the next big technology revision will be 3G and that isn't going to happen until they can solve the power consumption and size issue. The other thing I can see them adding would be a iSight camera for mobile video chat. I also expect new smaller form factors to flesh out the iPhone line. But these obviously won't have all the features.
HSDPA is planned obsolescence anyway. With WiMax/4G networks rolling out around the world and the US GSM carriers not even having a solid 3G network running, my bet is that AT&T plans to skip the middle step and move from GPRS to WiMax. The US can't play a catchup game forever--this is a perfect opportunity not to be 5 years behind the times for once.SO why did they not ask Jobs if UMTS & HSDPA is hidden in iPhone? i.e. to be enabled in a future SW/FW update?! If not, then it is plain planned obsolescence.
After all, it wasn't long ago that Cingular was disabling 3G in its Windows Mobile handsets (requiring users to use a hack to switch it back on) because of performance issues. And not just battery drain, but maintaining connections and delivering actual HSDPA speeds.
And' doggone.'
<edit>And it's only after sending this through that I realize the 'ain't' & 'doggone' were already latched onto by ~32 other posters. Neat.</edit>
More puzzling is why there have to be 10 comments about it in the first 3 pages. "The thread is too long to read" was never a good excuse before, because people posting without reading is exactly WHY the thread was too long to read, but this is insane.
After being away for a while, it's odd the things you notice. It wasn't always this bad here.
People need to get a life. If it was big and bulky, had 5 mins of battery life and was 3G, they would complain. If it was paper thin, they would complain, if it was perfect in every fashion, complaints would exist.
Funny thread over at Macosx.com on everything the iPhone isn't.
For grins and giggles, I hooked up my Powerbook to my Sony phone which is the slow Edge network, and browsed the web with it. Yea, only 200kbps, but loaded pages fine. Your going to spend more time zooming and unzooming pages than downloading folks. I think the Edge will be just fine. No P2P client on the iPhone yet, so the need for 3G just can't be justified IMHO.
Funny thread over at Macosx.com on everything the iPhone isn't.
For grins and giggles, I hooked up my Powerbook to my Sony phone which is the slow Edge network, and browsed the web with it. Yea, only 200kbps, but loaded pages fine. Your going to spend more time zooming and unzooming pages than downloading folks. I think the Edge will be just fine. No P2P client on the iPhone yet, so the need for 3G just can't be justified IMHO.
3g is 7 to 10 TIMES faster
and when 3g isnt available it switches to edge anyways
and on most 3g phones you can force it to only use edge if battery life is a concern to you
there is absolutely zero benefit to not having 3g
in all of these discussions NOBODY has offered a reasonable excuse for 3g being left out of the iphone... im tired of people blindly defending apple's ridiculous decision to sell antiquated tech to people who dont understand it, and charge through the nose
rev 2 will be better
It doesn't have to. Just find a wifi spot when you want to purchase a song.
I think ringtones would work fine over EDGE. Those are (should be) much smaller in size.
It would be fine if you could turn off the 3G functionality (thus putting battery consumption at what we get now) for those of us who live a couple hundred miles away from any 3G service. And, so long as it didn't raise the price much (or any, seeing how much it costs already, but I don't know how much 3G "chips" cost the manufacturer).
Maybe a simple on screen switch for 3G (battery saver) toggling, so even those in 3G service could turn it off and save battery life when just doing email.
you are out of your mind!
wifi works for 300ft, if you are lucky enough to know the wep key that is
3g works everywhere
my phone has wifi and 3g and i have never once used the wifi.... why would i?
We certainly can imagine a lot of things. Whether we'll see any of them remains to be seen.
So, to the 3G critics: do you want speed or battery life? I'll take battery life. There simply isn't a 3G device on the market that can compete with this.
Are there enough iPhones? No. Wait in line if you want one...and you know you do.
So much for the pre-announcement days. What will all the Apple haters blog about now?
if battery life is important to you turn off the 3g and force the phone to use edge only
That's the Drive-By Media for you.
"Apple's new iPhone goes on sale tomorrow, but experts question if it is really worth the money you'll be plunking down for it... Tonight on Hardball."
uhh...everywhere as in everywhere or everywhere in just a few places across the country?
you're funny....
I would rather have battery life. If that means edge, and the wifi combo, then that works for me. Maybe you would rather have 3G and then bitch about the battery life.