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I have. Its a mixed bag of support. Hopefully Apple pushes more merchants to support nfc based payments.

They will, people have been saying it for years. Only apple could have done this.

Payment methods are about to be overhauled, people. Strap yourselves in for the ride, an exciting time indeed.
 
That's an easy decision for Wal-Mart. 99% of their customer base can't even pull their bridges up let alone afford an iPhone 6.

Bryan

Sounds like it was a tragic business error for Walmart to sell iPhones if their customers can't buy them. Or are you just making up false info?
 
Walmart probably knows that their customers can't afford an iPhone 6 anyways, and Best Buy doesn't even have money to pay for their own rent let alone to update their POS terminals.

considering that Walmart will sell the iPhone 6 and 6+ thats a silly claim.

Walmart is the largest retailer in the world, a lot of people shop there, this is a HUGE blow to apple pay taking off.
 
Apple said in the keynote that it will be accepted anyplace that takes NFC payments. From the way the phone and the retail systems interact, it is just like NFC. The magic difference is in the phone and how it's secured with your fingerprints and in how the card numbers are stored (or actually not stored) on the device or by Apple.

Someone else posted this link. Best article I've seen detailing this:

http://www.macworld.com/article/260...mobile-payment-system-youll-actually-use.html
That article is full of misinformation. Google wallet does use tokenization and you don't have to have be in the app to use it. Google wallet works just like Apple pay, minus the fingerprint reader.
 
That's an easy decision for Wal-Mart. 99% of their customer base can't even pull their bridges up let alone afford an iPhone 6.

Bryan

I assume you mean "britches" not "bridges"

and being that walmart is the largest retailer in the world, its pretty audacious to say that only poor people shop there.

this is the snobbiness that gives apple users a bad name.
 
I guess best but is still the best technology gallery is the world..... You go there just to see what you will buy with your iPhone few minutes later .....a lot cheaper

You know Best Buy will price match with Amazon now. Between that and the fact that Amazon now has to charge sales tax in certain states, Best Buy is actually pretty competitive again.
 
I assume you mean "britches" not "bridges"

and being that walmart is the largest retailer in the world, its pretty audacious to say that only poor people shop there.

this is the snobbiness that gives apple users a bad name.

The generalization of apple users based on one person is what gives non apple users a bad name
 
That article is full of misinformation. Google wallet does use tokenization and you don't have to have be in the app to use it. Google wallet works just like Apple pay, minus the fingerprint reader.

It doesn't say that Google Wallet doesn't use tokenization, it says it uses it differently.

Apple has established partnerships with enough issuing banks and payment networks to cover the majority of credit cards in the United States. Each of these is responsible for taking the card number you scanned on your phone and issuing the device account number. Unlike my example above, in which the token is on a per-merchant basis, with Apple Pay you get a unique token for each card and each iPhone.

Right at the start, this is a powerful combination of usability and security. Enrolling a card is dirt-simple and effectively frictionless (you might think having the card in hand is a security control, but that’s easy to fake). Using per-device tokens means that only the bank that issued the card (or its payment network) ever has your card: You don’t have to trust Apple with it. This is different from the Google Wallet system, in which Google holds your cards on their servers. (For the record, Google is exceptionally good at maintaining that kind of security).


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The generalization of apple users based on one person is what gives non apple users a bad name

True as well, but there are a lot of people here who fit that generalization unfortunately. Present company excepted! :)
 
What a bad move, still its not like I will never buy in best buy or walmart but I will prefer going to places where apple pay is available because I am looking forward to replacing my wallet completely.

Your driver's license will be on a lanyard? :)
 
WalMart is forcing EMV cards to be inserted rather than swiped.

To be completely clear on this point: Walmart isn't forcing anything. The card issuer, the card network, and the card itself are forcing the card to be inserted rather than swiped. Magnetic stripe transactions are not authorized at all if an EMV chip and compatible POS system are present. Beyond that, as mentioned up-thread, Walmart is not selecting PIN vs. signature. The card issuer and card are dictating that. Almost all US-bank-issued EMV cards are set as Chip+Signature. Some also offer Chip+PIN as a fallback for offline or unattended transactions.
 
To be completely clear on this point: Walmart isn't forcing anything. The card issuer, the card network, and the card itself are forcing the card to be inserted rather than swiped. Magnetic stripe transactions are not authorized at all if an EMV chip and compatible POS system are present. Beyond that, as mentioned up-thread, Walmart is not selecting PIN vs. signature. The card issuer and card are dictating that. Almost all US-bank-issued EMV cards are set as Chip+Signature. Some also offer Chip+PIN as a fallback for offline or unattended transactions.

Then why do my local Home Depot and Target stores have EMV readers installed but don't require this? Probably because the rest of their back end systems aren't ready yet. So it just makes my point that WalMart is on the forefront of rolling out technology, not behind, regardless of who is actually requiring the insertion rather than the swipe.
 
As much as people are bashing walmart and best buy there are a lot more retailers that are under Merchant customer exchange that we wont be seeing under apple pay.

Here some list of retailers

Walmart
Best Buy
Target
Lowes
Dillards
Kohls
Bed bath beyond
Kmart
Micheals
meijer
Sears
Gap
Old navy
Banana republic
Shell gas
76
exxonmobil
circle k
7-11
Rite aid
CVS

And a lot more.

Interesting that the rumor of CVS was going to be under apple pay but they are still listed under merchant customer exchange and not in the apple site part of apple pay. As much as people are excited about apple pay I dont see it gaining much traction. Merchant customer exchange has been around for a long time and has plenty of retailers under their belt. So far the list for apple isnt great the only place I go to on their list is petco just to buy my dog food.

CVS already allows NFC payments (at least at my local location).
 
Ask Target about "their loss" for having to deal with a data breach that has now been dwarfed by Home Depot. Maybe check Target's earnings and stock price since then.

If ApplePay is more secure and can help a company avoid this, then maybe they should consider it. Especially if you are the world's largest retailer....you have the most to lose. Of course NFC/ApplePay isn't the only secure method. WalMart is forcing EMV cards to be inserted rather than swiped. But doing that is less convenient than pointing my phone at the terminal.

Any many of those non Apple phones that WalMart shoppers have support NFC payments....just ask all of the Fandroids who point out that Apple didn't invent this!
I don't think moving 5% of your credit transactions to an NFC system is going to lessen the chance of a data breach. Sure, it probably reduces the overall impact by 5% but I doubt Target or Home Depot would do anything that wouldn't try to better secure 100% of the transactions.
 
I wish I could upvote this a million times!

Yeah except it is way off...retailers don't have to have proprietary :apple:Pay POS terminal...they just have to have a POS terminal that supports the NFC standard...

ANY NFC POS terminal is capable of working with :apple:Pay - NFC is the standard being used.
 
Others have posted that it's 10/2015. That's correct, but with a clarification: Pay-at-pump (fuel dispenser) aren't subject to the liability shift until 10/2017.

ATM's (for VISA and Mastercard advances, and the PLUS ATM network) are also delayed, to either 10/2016 or 10/2017. I'd have to go dig it up, if you are interested.

That would explain why the gas station nearby that just replaced their pumps doesn't support emv.
 
Then why do my local Home Depot and Target stores have EMV readers installed but don't require this? Probably because the rest of their back end systems aren't ready yet. So it just makes my point that WalMart is on the forefront of rolling out technology, not behind, regardless of who is actually requiring the insertion rather than the swipe.

The EMV reader probably isn't enabled at all, just like at Target and Best Buy.
 
That would explain why the gas station nearby that just replaced their pumps doesn't support emv.

The pump itself probably does. Look at emv pumps in Canada, same everything, different STICKER, about inserting your card. The sticker in the US says, insert and remove card quickly. The sticker in Canada says , "insert, remove card when prompted by display"...still shows a stripe direction, because on EMV cards, the stripe has to face the left, so the right hand side can read the chip. All they have to do when they turn emv on is get new stickers.

Just like Target and HDs, waiting on the network to give the green light.
 
Its simple, they are looking at cost "woah, that much to support Pay over normal NFC, i don't care how secure it is, were going with normal NFC due to the cost" Once again, screwing over customer payment security to save some pennies. What would be neat is if they learned from their mistakes (i can see why target is adapting apple pay) and jumped on board to solve a problem. Now whats going to happen is normal NFC payments will somehow get hacked, because its going to be come a target for tech savvy thieves and Apple will get to say, "see, i told ya so"

NFC is NFC. It's all the same. No matter if you're using Apple Pay or Google Wallet. It's the same thing.
 
That article is full of misinformation. Google wallet does use tokenization and you don't have to have be in the app to use it. Google wallet works just like Apple pay, minus the fingerprint reader.

Are you sure it uses tokenization? I am not doubting you, the documentation on the web is lacking. And Google Wallet was supposed to act as a traditional cc, based on the documents that are available. Where it encrypts your sensitive info, i.e. cc number, name, exp date, cvv, pin.
 
No one actually used Google Wallet because it's far more complicated and less secure.

Nonsense. Wallet is simple.

As for extra security, that only matters to the credit card companies, and they didn't see any reason to put in a lot. As a consumer, you're covered, same as with credit cards... which were far less secure.

Not that it matters. Switching to EMV is not about security. It's mostly about stopping fraud from counterfeit cards.

Apple's extra NFC steps, at least as far as the Watch goes, are more of an inconvenience than a necessity.

You know what would've been really impressive? If Apple's negotiated lower rate meant that Apple Pay users got cash back from Apple. Now that would've been a great reason to move the whole family over! Alas, Apple greed.

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As for Walmart and Target, if we think about it, they're not exactly a tap-and-go type of shopping experience like, say, McDonalds. So they have little incentive to turn on NFC.

That's the other thing about the movement to EMV. It's about risk. If you're a little sewing shop, you probably never see a fraudulent credit card. So there's no incentive for some specialized places to buy new terminals, either. At least, not for a while.
 
ApplePay may require a little more than simply NFC.
I would need to investigate more.

Stop looking. If a retailer has NFC already set up in their POS, they can accept Apple Pay. Just as they have been accepting Google Wallet and Soft Card. It's all the same.
 
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