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You could say the same about 5400RPM hard disk drives found in very expensive iMacs. We want ot make the best prodcuts we possibly can, says TC. Remember, on the scale that Apple buy flash memory it would cost them peanuts.
A friend of mine just bought a new iMac and as much as I advised him that he shoudl get the SSD upgrade he chose to go without as, ‘I don’t need to - it’ll be a lot faster than it is now’. No.

it's almost as if apple was in the business of making money
 
So Touch ID is good enough to protect the access to THEIR app, but they refuse to let me use the same Touch ID in conjunction with Apple Pay to protect MY debit card information from them. And they're doing this under the guise of "giving customers what they want"? I don't think so.
I'm sorry for using your quote, but these paranoia "protect my information" posts are shortsighted and slightly annoying. If you've used your credit/debit card at Walmart in the past, they have your information already. If you haven't or won't, you're no worse off than you were before the article was posted.

"...protect MY debit card information from them." What does that even mean? What do you think they're doing with it?
 
Sort of... you can recharge your Starbucks Card using ApplePay, but you can't use ApplePay directly for payment of a purchase. They're apparently working towards making that possible towards the end of the year.

I think they're working to make that possible *everywhere* by the end of the year. It has been up and working at various Starbucks for over a year now based on my personal experience - Tempe, AZ and Portland, OR areas to name two that had it; Austin, TX did not (which kind of surprised me)
 
From Walmart's FAQ:

"To use Walmart Pay, customers must create a Walmart.com account and/or update their profile to include a preferred payment method. This can include any credit or debit card, prepaid account or Walmart Gift Card."

And:

"- Customer will sign in or create a Walmart.com account.
- They will be prompted to add a card or they can simply select cards added to Walmart.com.
- The customer can enter the credit card information by capturing it with their phone camera, or enter it manually.
- After adding a card, they will be prompted to create a passcode.
- The customer can now use Walmart Pay."
I'm sure the extra personal data they get from the app makes up for the credit card fees. With apple pay they'd get none of it.
 
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Walmart in general is junk shopping. There may be an occasional non-junk item covered in a thick layer of grit.
Not many Walmarts here in NY but when I have been in them I dont get a sense that im junk shopping.. Its like target but cheaper.
 
I'm sorry for using your quote, but these paranoia "protect my information" posts are shortsighted and slightly annoying. If you've used your credit/debit card at Walmart in the past, they have your information already. If you haven't or won't, you're no worse off than you were before the article was posted.

"...protect MY debit card information from them." What does that even mean? What do you think they're doing with it?
There is a difference between a single transaction with your CC and having a CC on file with a hackable company...
 
I've actually used Walmart Pay... I'm tempted to list the details of my experience, but seems it would get trashed if there's any hint of positive to it...
 
For most people pulling a card is faster than easier....and better than fumbling with your phone and hoping the transaction works.

Not anymore. I had to cancel my Target card after they implemented "chip AND PIN" requirements for Credit transactions, increasing transaction time from about 1 second to around 20. And thats only if the person ahead of you doesn't take their card out too soon and have to start over.

There is no "fumbling" with my phone, I always have it at hand. Also, not sure what you mean by "hoping the transaction works" (??) Apple Pay has never failed me, and is by far the pastest payment I have ever made, including cash, credit, or anything else.
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Not many Walmarts here in NY but when I have been in them I dont get a sense that im junk shopping.. Its like target but cheaper.

If you can't see a difference between WalMart and Target merchandise, then you are the demographic WalMart is looking for ;)
 
I used Walmart Pay just last week to test it out. It was fairly painless. You scan the QR code on the terminal, which you can do at any point while the cashier is ringing up your items. You then get a notification your connected and at the end it notifies you that the transaction is complete. It offers you a quick tap to submit the receipt to Savings Catcher to get back money from sale prices at competitors. The money back can be saved as an egift card that can be used the next time when you use Walmart Pay. It's a couple of taps more than Apple Pay, but not that big of a deal.
 
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As a compromise, it wouldn't be so bad if it let you do an in-app Apple Pay purchase like the Exxon SpeedPass+ app does.
 
I thought they were offline in the UK, hence why the went straight to chip and pin.

Maybe back when they first got it, but not so much now. If anything, the places that still use dialup here possibly should be allowed to run low-valued transactions offline, or else given sweet deals on a 3G/4G terminal setup.

Not anymore. I had to cancel my Target card after they implemented "chip AND PIN" requirements for Credit transactions, increasing transaction time from about 1 second to around 20. And thats only if the person ahead of you doesn't take their card out too soon and have to start over.

There is no "fumbling" with my phone, I always have it at hand. Also, not sure what you mean by "hoping the transaction works" (??) Apple Pay has never failed me, and is by far the pastest payment I have ever made, including cash, credit, or anything else.

It will get faster, mainly because it has to. For as much complaining about card fees that retailers do, having large numbers of their customers going back to cash would ultimately cost them more.

Seriously, try using your chip card at Walgreens and be pleasantly surprised.
 
Ironic that you can install Windows on a Mac but Apple won’t let you install the MacOS on anything but.
Yeah, Microsoft is a software company that charges for the OS and Apple is a hardware company that doesn’t.
 
Screw it, here it is anyways. hate away. ** First hand experience using it **

Here we go...

Yes, you have to download the Walmart mobile app. You may not already have it installed, but millions do.
You then load a credit/debit card into the account. It does NOT have to be a checking account/ACH like MCX was intended.

I set a passcode but then it let me opt into using TouchID instead of the passcode which I chose.
When checking out, a QR code appeared part-way through the transaction on the pinpad screen. I opened my app, clicked "Walmart Pay" on the home screen, and then thumbprinted my way in. Two clicks and a thumb press. Not TOO crazy.

Scanned the QR code on the screen, then it linked my account to that transaction, and it was done. Really simple actually. The receipt showed up as a push notification almost immediately, and then was in my app. Pulling it up actually showed each individual item including thumbnails for each item (which I found impressive). I could also submit it with a single button press to the savings catcher program. They really did make it easy.

Few notes:

* The cashier had no idea what happened. Was confused, but seemed to trust me when I said "I just paid for it on here". I assume something on their screen showed them the balance was now $0.

* There was no printed receipt. This is different from Apple Pay in that you get all the same receipts typically since it's just a 'temporary' credit card, and the POS has no care that it was not a physical credit card in determining how to finish it off. This could pose an issue for locations who like to check receipts on the way out. It also confused the cashier as it was that awkward "so, we're done here?" without the receipt handoff.

All in all, pretty decent experience. Knowing that Walmart is not targeting the high-tech, Apple-product spending audience most of the time, opening it up to other methods that will work with basically any phone with a camera (so 99% of them), this is good for them, and honestly really well done for what it is.

And it took an unlock, 2 clicks, and a thumb-ID. Not too much more than Apple Pay.
 
There is a difference between a single transaction with your CC and having a CC on file with a hackable company...
What? How? The single transaction is how a company gets your card on file. Hackable company? In the most respectful way possible, that's the... no way to make it respectful. Think of it this way: Name one company that isn't, to borrow your term, hackable. Honestly, I really don't even know what point your trying to make. Apologies, I didn't eat breakfast so all neurons aren't firing.
 
In before the 'mobile-home app' comment is made.

Edit - BTW, don't begrudge Walmart, Target or any other retailer for doing what they can to try to capture/utilize consumer data. For all the handwringing and new articles, US shoppers aren't really concerned about data security. Their behavior is more influenced by the opportunity to save money.

Merchants will continue to dangle that carrot out there to get the information that they want. Apple Pay was great for the ability to make anonymous transactions. But they really needed to implement an MST capable transaction (like Samsung Pay) to try to get it built in as a 'shopping habit'.

That's the biggest hurdle for mobile transactions. For most people pulling a card is faster than easier....and better than fumbling with your phone and hoping the transaction works.

I agree with your first part of the comment with "saving money" because that's where Walmart has built it's empire from; people who want to pay the lowest price possible, regardless of the quality of the good.

However, I disagree with the second half because…have you used PIN & chip cards yet?! The transaction takes nearly a minute to do. Yeah, it guarantees that business gets their money, but it isn't speedy AT all. Apple Pay is what I use and find it available at more and more places around me.
 
Are they really? I've considered changing my main grocery store from Wegmans to Walmart. Although Wegmans doesn't break my wallet or anything, and is about 5x closer to home, I've always wanted to see the price comparison between Wegmans and Walmart. At least Walmart takes the chip at this point.

Wegmans is unfortunately not in my neighborhood.
But, I like them a lot. They have good products and offer extra things not found in every supermarket.

As for store brands being made in the same factories as the REAL brands, that is well known, however cannot be publiziced of course.
We have ALDI in my neighborhood, Shoprite and Stop and Shop , Price Chopper, all with their own brands of the same product like the real brand. Some are better in passing off the discounts than others.

Obviously they wouldn't open a factory to produce their own cereal or dog food etc..

Proof was for me when there was a call back of tainted dog food. Showed many REAL brands and store brands made in the same factories. Some time ago there was an ALDI TV report where this was also stated.

Depending on what you shop for items can be 20 cents or more less than the brands. America gets especially gauged when it comes to cereal and yoghurt (My experience)
 
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Same garbage different name. Still need to have a card on me anyway - deli, doctor, restaurant, metro card, car service, every store from the mom and pops hardware store to Target - just swipe, it works everywhere.
 
Screw it, here it is anyways. hate away. ** First hand experience using it **

Here we go...

Yes, you have to download the Walmart mobile app. You may not already have it installed, but millions do.
You then load a credit/debit card into the account. It does NOT have to be a checking account/ACH like MCX was intended.

I set a passcode but then it let me opt into using TouchID instead of the passcode which I chose.
When checking out, a QR code appeared part-way through the transaction on the pinpad screen. I opened my app, clicked "Walmart Pay" on the home screen, and then thumbprinted my way in. Two clicks and a thumb press. Not TOO crazy.

Scanned the QR code on the screen, then it linked my account to that transaction, and it was done. Really simple actually. The receipt showed up as a push notification almost immediately, and then was in my app. Pulling it up actually showed each individual item including thumbnails for each item (which I found impressive). I could also submit it with a single button press to the savings catcher program. They really did make it easy.

Few notes:

* The cashier had no idea what happened. Was confused, but seemed to trust me when I said "I just paid for it on here". I assume something on their screen showed them the balance was now $0.

* There was no printed receipt. This is different from Apple Pay in that you get all the same receipts typically since it's just a 'temporary' credit card, and the POS has no care that it was not a physical credit card in determining how to finish it off. This could pose an issue for locations who like to check receipts on the way out. It also confused the cashier as it was that awkward "so, we're done here?" without the receipt handoff.

All in all, pretty decent experience. Knowing that Walmart is not targeting the high-tech, Apple-product spending audience most of the time, opening it up to other methods that will work with basically any phone with a camera (so 99% of them), this is good for them, and honestly really well done for what it is.

And it took an unlock, 2 clicks, and a thumb-ID. Not too much more than Apple Pay.

Not going to hate. I don't shop at Walmart often so I wouldn't download this, but QR/barcode based solutions can work well. I mean, Starbucks got like 1/3rd+ of their customers to use their app on a consistent basis, and that's basically a prepaid card that you have to reload once in a while.

One thing that they could do to improve it would be for the cashier to scan the phone instead. It'd ultimately be more reliable since some cell phone cameras are pretty crappy.
 
This short-circuits me a little. Merchant's don't have to specifically support Apple Pay. They just have to support NFC. Not supporting Apple Pay when they support NFC is more work as they actually have to specifically block Apple Pay. It's nonsensical.

Customer: "Look! I have money! It's right here!"
Merchant: "Sorry, I accept NFC Visa/Mastercards, but not orange ones."

WTF?
 
Screw it, here it is anyways. hate away. ** First hand experience using it **

Here we go...

Yes, you have to download the Walmart mobile app. You may not already have it installed, but millions do.
You then load a credit/debit card into the account. It does NOT have to be a checking account/ACH like MCX was intended.

I set a passcode but then it let me opt into using TouchID instead of the passcode which I chose.
When checking out, a QR code appeared part-way through the transaction on the pinpad screen. I opened my app, clicked "Walmart Pay" on the home screen, and then thumbprinted my way in. Two clicks and a thumb press. Not TOO crazy.

Scanned the QR code on the screen, then it linked my account to that transaction, and it was done. Really simple actually. The receipt showed up as a push notification almost immediately, and then was in my app. Pulling it up actually showed each individual item including thumbnails for each item (which I found impressive). I could also submit it with a single button press to the savings catcher program. They really did make it easy.

Few notes:

* The cashier had no idea what happened. Was confused, but seemed to trust me when I said "I just paid for it on here". I assume something on their screen showed them the balance was now $0.

* There was no printed receipt. This is different from Apple Pay in that you get all the same receipts typically since it's just a 'temporary' credit card, and the POS has no care that it was not a physical credit card in determining how to finish it off. This could pose an issue for locations who like to check receipts on the way out. It also confused the cashier as it was that awkward "so, we're done here?" without the receipt handoff.

All in all, pretty decent experience. Knowing that Walmart is not targeting the high-tech, Apple-product spending audience most of the time, opening it up to other methods that will work with basically any phone with a camera (so 99% of them), this is good for them, and honestly really well done for what it is.

And it took an unlock, 2 clicks, and a thumb-ID. Not too much more than Apple Pay.


And WalMart probably could have done even better if not for the limitations of iOS platform that does not have a full blown support for NFC.
 
Maybe back when they first got it, but not so much now. If anything, the places that still use dialup here possibly should be allowed to run low-valued transactions offline, or else given sweet deals on a 3G/4G terminal setup.

I think you mean broadband...
 
Not anymore. I had to cancel my Target card after they implemented "chip AND PIN" requirements for Credit transactions, increasing transaction time from about 1 second to around 20. And thats only if the person ahead of you doesn't take their card out too soon and have to start over.

There is no "fumbling" with my phone, I always have it at hand. Also, not sure what you mean by "hoping the transaction works" (??) Apple Pay has never failed me, and is by far the pastest payment I have ever made, including cash, credit, or anything else.
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If you can't see a difference between WalMart and Target merchandise, then you are the demographic WalMart is looking for ;)

Agree that C&P is a lot longer transaction. Hoping is more about hoping the location has their NFC turned on. We know the usual players, but it's always hit or miss on those who have the generic NFC symbol where the functionality may or may not be activated.
 
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