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its really expected to hit in 2015, servers 2014...but apple did adopt some tech early despite higher prices before....so...could be
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Warming-up for the all-new redesigned retina 2014 (2015?) MacBook Air
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yea that would be dual channel
its really expected to hit in 2015, servers 2014...but apple did adopt some tech early despite higher prices before....so...could be
Understood. It might well be that you and others need a desktop OS when away from your office and a tablet can't possibly replace a notebook. However, many folks can replace a notebook with a tablet for their mobile productivity needs. They can get by with a mobile operating system when mobile.....it really isn't that difficult to imagine.
When they get back to the office, they might sit in front of a giant monitor powered by a cray computer......but the tablet still replaced their notebook for mobile productivity.
If Apple does release a redesigned MBA with a gorgeous retina display I bet there will be a long wait to get one.
(And I will order the fully decked out version immediately).
Come on!
Apple CREATED the current trend of selling tablets instead of laptops. The iPad is a huge success, the first successful tablet to be launched, and every company wants to have its own iPad-like tablet now.
Laptop sales are in free fall because of Apple's iPad (and apparently, also because of Chromebooks).
Even though, you should note the steep decline of Macs. Macs declined from 2.6% to 1.8%, which meant a decline in almost 31% of market share on a yearly basis. That's huge. Windows laptops also declined, but that was a decline from 42.9% to 34.1%, which meant a 20.5% decline (much less steep than the Mac). Desktops decined from 32.3% to 27.8%, which represented a 14% drop. Nothing declined like Macs in market share. So, it's not just a matter of the Mac always being marketed towards higher-end consumers. Mac sales are falling more than the sales of Windows laptops, and that should raise Apple's concern.
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Apple will offer at least the current level of battery life in the forthcoming Air. Now, if Apple wants to impress everybody, then it should really put out something unprecedented. 24-hour battery life, for instance, would be fine.
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You're right.
But most people don't even know how to use computers properly. Most people are computer-illiterate, even though they know how to use the trackpad to click icons, surf the web and write text. Most people are not interested in computers and don't understand what "multitasking", "multi-threading" or "file system" is. They just want to use the web to surf Facebook or check e-mails.
The iPad is for these people. This majority of people.
I don't belong there. I'm the power user, who have used the full power of every computer I've ever owned, and who wants more and more features. But I'm part of a minority.
And, when I look at what's happening, I see that Apple is dumbing things down.
I hated Microsoft when it released Windows 95 and I couldn't see any sense in that. MS-DOS would not freeze and OS/2 was much more stable and allowed real multi-tasking. Microsoft dumbed computers down when it released Windows 95, but eventually things got better and Microsoft finally released Windows XP and redeemed itself. Windows is now a much better operating system than DOS could ever be. And I stopped hating Microsoft.
Now, Apple is dumbing down computers again by releasing and popularizing the iPad, which is replacing laptops. I cannot multi-task with the iPad; I have to click with my fingers, which is something not precise at all. Should I hate Apple now, just like I hated Microsoft in the past?
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Not much of a performance bump. Broadwell is supposed to be 30% more energy efficient; have 40% more GPU performance; but CPU will be just slighly faster.
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I guess that's it.
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The iPhone or the iPad can definitely be used for work. But limited work.
I can answer e-mails on my iPhone, and I can also do that on the iPad.
But the facts are clear.
The world's most used software in business is Microsoft Office. If you are serious about office work, then you are probably using Microsoft Office. It means full compatibility with everyone.
You can't have a serious full-featured work device without running Microsoft Office, and without being able to run web pages that use flash, and without being able to multi-task.
Yes, your experience is limited.
Whenever I travel, I take my laptop with me. The iPad is not reliable. Perhaps I need to do some heavy work, and the iPad won't allow me too. Perhaps I have to edit a text with footnotes and cross-references and lots of complicated formatting, and I have to use Word, and not Pages. Perhaps I have to edit a PowerPoint file and I cannot rely on Keynote for iOS. Perhaps I have to edit a complicated spreadsheet, and I have to use Excel. The iPad is not reliable for doing real work.
If you need full power on the go, so you can do everything you would do in the office, without being limited, than you have to have a laptop. It may be a Windows laptop or a Mac laptop. It may even be a hybrid between a laptop and a tablet, such as the Surface Pro. But it has to run Windows or OS X. Or even Linux. But not iOS. The iPad is not a contender here.
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You are right. The iPad can be used for work, but it cannot do every kind of work. A real laptop, running Windows or OS X, can do everything, including everything an iPad can do. You may hate me for saying that, but it turns out that Microsoft Surface Pro 2 can replace the iPad Air, but the iPad Air cannot replace Microsoft Surface Pro 2.
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An iPad is OK for staying two hours out of office. But what about going for a 2-week trip?
The iPad can replace a laptop for some tasks, and it may be enough for a lot of people. Some people may even not need a laptop at all. Some years ago, we did not even have the possibility of carrying a mobile device, so this is not the end of the world. Some people don't even have a laptop or a tablet, and they manage to live well and do their stuff.
So, yes, the iPad may be enough for a lot of people. But the iPad is definitely not for everybody, and it cannot do everything a laptop can. That's a fact.
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And you won't.
But expect a low-voltage Broadwell processor. A 12-inch display with a 2304x1440 resolution. 4 GB RAM in the low-end model, 8 GB in the higher end. Probably 128 GB SSD in the lower-end model, and 256 GB in the higher end, and possibly a top-end model with 512 GB (or perhaps it is a BTO option).
Agree with most of your post, but this is bad math, and really twisting statistics. You are talking about Macs losing 0.8% in real market share. In real terms, 0+0=0. In other words, if you say Macs only had 0.2% of the market to begin with and then the next year had only 0.1%, that's technically a relative market share loss of 50%, but a real market share loss of only 0.1%.
First of all the report you are quoting your numbers from is for the United States commercial channel only, which comprised of a total of 14.4 million units. This means business sales only. For this very limited cross section of the total market, that means that for 2013 there were 14.4 million total units according to the report. This was a 25.4 increase over 2012 according to the report, meaning that the total market for this limited cross section was 10,742,400 for 2012. That means Apple moved only 20k fewer Macs than the previous year in this limited cross-section. Windows laptops in this scenario actually moved 320k more units in real terms in this limited cross-section even though they lost 8.8% in market share. The real winners were of course Google based devices, with Android tablets and the Chromebook showing both larger real unit growth and market share than anybody else.
But let's look at a global all inclusive market analysis if you want to make your point here. Do we have one anywhere?
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hm, after returning two retina macbook pros with IR I am back on mb air - and I do hope that whatever they introduce in summer, it will have:
- IPS panel
- no IR
- OS X on board
thats all i need - perfect macbook air. If they add retina resolution, perfect... and 12inch (something between 13 and 11) - I am totally sold, buying two for me and wife.
- IPS panel
- no IR
- OS X on board
thats all i need - perfect macbook air. If they add retina resolution, perfect... and 12inch (something between 13 and 11) - I am totally sold, buying two for me and wife.
Why is it bad maths?
MacBooks represented 2.6% of all sales in US during 2012. In 2013, they represented 1.8% of all sales. Macs lost 0.8% in market share of all sales (not installed base). That's a difference of more than 30%. Macs have 30% less market share in sales than it had last year (when comparing MacBooks sales in 2012 and in 2013 - relative numbers), and 0.8% less than it had in 2012 (when comparing the whole scenario - absolute numbers). That doesn't mean that Macs sold more or less in 2013 than in 2012. That only means that Macs did not follow the rest of the players in the devices market. Mac sales declined more, or raised less than the competitors. If the market shrunk, then MacBooks shrunk more than the average device; and if the market expanded, MacBooks expanded less than the average device. In either way, MacBooks lost sales market share.
As for the rest, as I don't live in the US, I am not sure what the basis for the data collected is. I thought these data was a faithful representation of all devices sold in the US, and not business sales only. If the data are not representative of the market and are not significant, then the conclusion is flawed.
Technically its not bad bad maths in that the math is correct, but it is bad use of maths as you can't use relative terms to relate to real, or absolute terms, as you term them. Mac notebooks have 0.8% less market share in relation to the market being described and to themselves, full stop.
You can't say that Mac notebooks have 30% less market share than 2012, because they don't, not even in relation to themselves. You can say they performed 30% worse in the market in than than they did in 2012 in relation to themselves, and maybe that's what you meant to say, but the conclusion is too abstract and doesn't really tell you anything. The difference is subtle but significant.
The reason is because the relative totals don't add up to 100% collectively. For example the Chromebook increased from 0.2% to 9.2%, a relative performance increase of 4,600%. Does that really mean anything? Not really? Pretty awesome for a marketing gimmick though!
Yeah, I don't live in the 'States either. But I would suggest you read the report and don't just look at the graph next time. According to this, the global shipments for the total personal computing device market (including tablets but excluding smartphones) was about 470 million units. This is shipments and not sales, mind you, but it was the best I could find in a couple minutes of searching. Using it as a rough estimate however shows that the report you quoted only represents an approximate 2.2% discriminatory (i.e. targeted, non-random) cross section of the global market, meaning it isn't even statistically significant to the global market as a whole.
Back to the new Air!! I for one have already stated that I really hope this new 12.9" screen rumour is going to be for a new OSX Broadwell Air that retains the footprint of the current 11" and replaces both the current models.
I also hope for it to be available with a low voltage i7, 16GB RAM and a 512GB next gen. SSD as the maxed out BTO option.
That would be my next work laptop to replace the maxed out mid 2011 11" I have now
I'm starting to wonder whether the 12" Retina iPad Pro and the 12" Retina MacBook Air could actually be the same device? What's your take?
All we've heard rumors of are screen sizes, not one word about processors. The rumored 12" iPad-screen could just as well be used for the MBA, right? And vice-versa. The latest (although highly questionable) rumor posted suggests that the 12" iPad could be a 2-in-1 hybrid device along the lines of a 12" iPad + MBA. Wouldn't this overlap a bit much with a 12" Retina MBA?
Although a hybrid does not sound like anything Apple would do, after their recent bashing of touchscreen Win 8 Machines, but we could very well be up for a surprise. I'm sure if Apple made a hybrid device, it would redefine the segment.
Either way, it will be interesting to see what Apple has up their sleeves.
All we've heard rumors of are screen sizes, not one word about processors. The rumored 12" iPad-screen could just as well be used for the MBA, right? And vice-versa. The latest (although highly questionable) rumor posted suggests that the 12" iPad could be a 2-in-1 hybrid device along the lines of a 12" iPad + MBA. Wouldn't this overlap a bit much with a 12" Retina MBA?
Although a hybrid does not sound like anything Apple would do, after their recent bashing of touchscreen Win 8 Machines, but we could very well be up for a surprise. I'm sure if Apple made a hybrid device, it would redefine the segment.
Either way, it will be interesting to see what Apple has up their sleeves.
It tells a story. It means that, while PC laptops lost market share to tablets, Mac laptops lost even more. Macs performed worse than PCs in 2013, comparatively to 2012. That's what I meant.
The reason is because the relative totals don't add up to 100% collectively. For example the Chromebook increased from 0.2% to 9.2%, a relative performance increase of 4,600%. Does that really mean anything? Not really? Pretty awesome for a marketing gimmick though!
Again, there is some meaning in that. It means that Chromebook increased a lot. This 4600% improvement may not mean a lot for the market in general, but it means for Google and for Chromebook manufacturers. An increase from 0.2% to 9.2% is much more significant than an increase from 50% to 59%, for instance. The increase, in absolute terms, is the same: 9%. However, the relative increase is much different. And I think that is not negligible.
Yeah, I don't live in the 'States either. But I would suggest you read the report and don't just look at the graph next time. According to this, the global shipments for the total personal computing device market (including tablets but excluding smartphones) was about 470 million units. This is shipments and not sales, mind you, but it was the best I could find in a couple minutes of searching. Using it as a rough estimate however shows that the report you quoted only represents an approximate 2.2% discriminatory (i.e. targeted, non-random) cross section of the global market, meaning it isn't even statistically significant to the global market as a whole.
OK...
Back to the new Air!! I for one have already stated that I really hope this new 12.9" screen rumour is going to be for a new OSX Broadwell Air that retains the footprint of the current 11" and replaces both the current models.
I also hope for it to be available with a low voltage i7, 16GB RAM and a 512GB next gen. SSD as the maxed out BTO option.
That would be my next work laptop to replace the maxed out mid 2011 11" I have now
Well, I don't think it will happen. The 12.9" screen on the works has, according to rumors, a 2712x2048 resolution, which is an aspect ratio similar to the one found in the iPad (and different from the ones in the MacBooks). In addition, the pixel density is also similar to the ones in the iPads, and not in the retina MacBooks.
it makes no sense if Apple merge two of their own flagship thus merge both different market
windows computer marker declines due to the gradual decrease of evolution
Mac OSX is another world, it makes Macbook as almost another market
in some way, we can consider it as an attractive evolution
people buy Macbook for Apple's attraction but they want also discover another system.
Chromebooks have been lately a decent success for these reasons (also for low price though)
instead of making an hybrid way, why not Apple just put Retina and huge battery life, it would be enough for most of us
I don't think so.
According to rumors:
the "iPad Pro" will have a 12.9-inch screen with a 2720x2048 resolution (barely 4:3 aspect ratio);
the all-new MacBook Air will have a 12-inch screen with a 2304x1440 resolution (16:10 aspect ratio)
The two rumored screens do not have the same size, nor the same resolution, nor the same aspect ratio. If these rumors are true, then we are talking about two different products here.
But now you're doing it again. Macs did not perform worse than PC's in the market. PC notebooks lost 8.8% and Mac notebooks lost 0.8%. Therefore in relation to the market and to each other, PC notebooks lost more market share in relation to the market than Mac notebooks, i.e. in real or absolute terms.
The relative performance percentage can only be meaningful internally, in comparison to itself, i.e. Mac notebooks to Mac notebooks or PC notebooks to PC notebooks, not Macs notebooks to PC notebooks.
No, but in real terms it is the same number of units sold, whether you have 0.2% to 9.2% or 50% to 59%. In this case going from 20k units for the Chromebook to 1.3 million units in the first real year in the market, so being essentially brand new in the market. In percentages this is 4,600% or only an 18% increase in performance if they had gone from 50% to 59%. But again same number of units.
As an extreme example, Chromebooks going from 0 unit sales 2011 to the 20k unit sales in 2012 represents going from 0% to 0,2% but using relative terms like you want to means a relative performance increase of infinity - do you start to understand the fallibility in the logic of using this relative measurement for anything other than an outlying metric with little true relevance?
Anyway, i think we will have to agree to disagree, we aren't getting through to each other in any case, and I don't want to sully the thread with a discussion on statistical analysis
- we can take to the appropriate thread in that case Dang, I hadn't heard or read about any rumoured resolution for that one yet, must have missed it. Interesting to see exactly what sort of product it will be for. I just can't see it being simply a bigger iPad. Must be something more to it than that! Sounds like it will be a beautiful screen in any case.
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my guess is Apple and Google keep supporting laptop and computers in another manner than Microsoft does although these both companies have contributed for the great success of mobile market (smartphone and tablet)
i dont believe they would penetrated the hybrid market
Microsoft's strategies show their deficiency:
- whole computer market declines
- new mobile market appeared
their great idea consists to make inefficient OS, they have a foot in each camp
half desktop system, half mobile system, inefficient, it cant be work
Win RT was a big flop.
definitely hybrid aint be a good idea
iPad been created for multimedia stuffs, not more, all system is based on
Macbook been created for being ultimately an high mobile workstation
how merge these two worlds?
its like joining democrat and republican all together
if they merge Macbook Air and iPad, actually if they intend to kill simply MBA's range
i will switch for Chromebook or whatever with non hybrid system
i dont believe they would penetrated the hybrid market
Microsoft's strategies show their deficiency:
- whole computer market declines
- new mobile market appeared
their great idea consists to make inefficient OS, they have a foot in each camp
half desktop system, half mobile system, inefficient, it cant be work
Win RT was a big flop.
definitely hybrid aint be a good idea
iPad been created for multimedia stuffs, not more, all system is based on
Macbook been created for being ultimately an high mobile workstation
how merge these two worlds?
its like joining democrat and republican all together
if they merge Macbook Air and iPad, actually if they intend to kill simply MBA's range
i will switch for Chromebook or whatever with non hybrid system
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Okay, now those are good points, never thought of that. No matter what happens, I really hope for the MBA to remain what it is, a proper computer.
I hope the 12" MBA won't be the only size. I find the 13"-model to be my sweet-spot. If it'd be a bit larger, say 14", I'd be real happy too.
When do we believe the new MBA to be released? June, like last year?
Personally, I hope they implement the black screen surrounds around the display, just like the MBP has.
I can understand your point. But, in a way, it's not different from what I said in my last post.
No, but in real terms it is the same number of units sold, whether you have 0.2% to 9.2% or 50% to 59%. In this case going from 20k units for the Chromebook to 1.3 million units in the first real year in the market, so being essentially brand new in the market. In percentages this is 4,600% or only an 18% increase in performance if they had gone from 50% to 59%. But again same number of units.
As an extreme example, Chromebooks going from 0 unit sales 2011 to the 20k unit sales in 2012 represents going from 0% to 0,2% but using relative terms like you want to means a relative performance increase of infinity - do you start to understand the fallibility in the logic of using this relative measurement for anything other than an outlying metric with little true relevance?
Anyway, i think we will have to agree to disagree, we aren't getting through to each other in any case, and I don't want to sully the thread with a discussion on statistical analysis
I understood the fallibility in the logic from the beginning. It always depends on what you use it for. I was just measuring relative performance, not absolute, as subtle as it can be. I think we have to let this go, because it's not the place for this to be discussed, anyway.
Sorry, my mistake. The correct resolution of the rumored forthcoming 12.9-inch iPad Pro is 2732x2048, and not 2720x2048. Look here: https://www.macrumors.com/2013/10/0...n-on-apples-display-plans-for-future-devices/
So what will the 12 inch product be like? Do we think the new iPad Pro and Macbook air are two separate products? Or are they one? Heres my impressions so far.
iPad Pro 12"
Featuring
-Very thin keyboard thats great to write on.
-Slides out of the screen instead of folding underneath.
- Upgraded fingerprint sensor. Now being used for payments through banks, and everything else.
- High resolution. Very much power. So strong.
- New OS? Hybrid between Mavericks and iOS? Or just Mavericks with touch programs instead of the usuals?
- A few plugins. One USB3 port, one thunderbolt port... anything else?
- A great ****ing stylys that feels as good to write with as a pencil and paper. Apple super technology ensures this.
- Also new great software to convert even the ugliest handwriting into text. Will probably have a human name, like "Mark". So Mark and Siri will be helping you out.
iPad Pro 12"
Featuring
-Very thin keyboard thats great to write on.
-Slides out of the screen instead of folding underneath.
- Upgraded fingerprint sensor. Now being used for payments through banks, and everything else.
- High resolution. Very much power. So strong.
- New OS? Hybrid between Mavericks and iOS? Or just Mavericks with touch programs instead of the usuals?
- A few plugins. One USB3 port, one thunderbolt port... anything else?
- A great ****ing stylys that feels as good to write with as a pencil and paper. Apple super technology ensures this.
- Also new great software to convert even the ugliest handwriting into text. Will probably have a human name, like "Mark". So Mark and Siri will be helping you out.
Well, that appears to be your wish, but it's not based on facts or rumors that I've heard or read. So, it is very unlikely to happen. Very creative, though. Where did you get Mark? Did it just popped into your head?
My view is the following:
MacBook Air:
the 2014 MacBook Air will suffer a redesign, but it will not merge with the iPad;
it will be released in mid or late 2014, following the release of Broadwell;
it will probably be made of aluminum;
it will have a 12-inch IPS retina display with a 16:10 aspect ratio and a 2304x1440 resolution;
*it will have an Intel low-voltage Broadwell processor inside, and will be less powerful than the Broadwell MacBook Pros;
it will run OS X (Mavericks or the next version of it), and not iOS;
it will have approximately the same size of the 11-inch MacBook Air, but with a reduced bezel;
it will weigh about as much as or maybe less than the 11-inch MacBook Air.
iPad Pro:
the 2014 iPad Pro, if ever released, will probably be released with the next version of the iPad Air/iPad Mini;
it will have the same aspect of the current iPads, but will be larger (and consequently heavier, but not heavier than the 4th gen iPad);
it will have a 12.9-inch IPS retina display with a 4:3 aspect ratio;
it will have an Apple A7 or Apple A8 processor (ARM-based);
it will run iOS 8;
it won't have USB or Thunderbolt ports;
it won't have a stylus.
The reality is much less interesting than the imagination, I guess, huh?
I dont believe the iPad Pro and new Macbook air will be released within the same year. Its more likely that the rumoured redesigned Macbook Air is infact the iPad Pro.
And for Apple to slap a "pro" onto the iPad, it needs to have professional attributes that people are craving in different professions. One of the most obvious ones is a keyboard.
Touch keyboard is simply not good enough to write on. This is preventing the iPad from being used in many professions where writing is a big part of work. Without a proper keyboard, its more a toy than anything usefull.
Now slap a USB slot on there, and suddenly you can transfer photos and videos from your camera to it. That opens up a whole new way of usage.
Do you really think so?
I think a 12-inch MacBook Air is more likely to be released than a 12.9-inch iPad Pro.
The scenario you are describing is not in line with the rumors. It may make sense from your perspective, but it certainly does not fit into what we've seen or heard.
•*As for an iPad Pro and a new MacBook Air to be released in the same year: there are rumors pointing to Apple ordering two different screens. One of them is a 12.9-inch screen with a 4:3 aspect ratio (the same aspect ratio of the iPad Air and iPad Mini). The other screen is a 12-inch screen with a 16:10 aspect ratio (the same aspect ratio of the 13-inch MacBook Air and the MacBook Pro). In addition, the MacBook Air is ready for a redesign in 2014, after more than 3 years with its current design.
• As for a keyboard in the iPad: it won't come from Apple. Apple sees its iOS devices as the future, and it doesn't want mechanical parts. The inclusion of a keyboard would violate this philosophy.
• As for a USB slot: Apple won't do this. Apple doesn't want cables or expandability. Apple designed the iPad and the iPhone without ports for a reason. It's not the lack of a feature. It's a design philosophy. iOS doesn't even has a file system.
I agree that the iPad is far from being the ideal device for those who want to type text on it. It's simply not good for productivity. But Apple won't make it different just because you and me would have done things differently. The iPad will not turn into a Microsoft Surface. If you want a productivity tablet, you should take a look at Windows alternatives. The iPad won't fit your needs. And there is nothing - absolutely nothing - that is pointing at the iPad turning into a laptop hybrid, with a keybord and USB ports, for instance.
But just don't let your personal desire to influence what you think it is likely to happen. The dream world and the real world are - unfortunately - not the same.