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[LonestarOne]

Seen any reviews of a Samsung or Huawei phone mentioning zoom range? No

Let me know when you get tired of being wrong.

Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra 100x moon shot zoom range vs the rest

Earlier, we have had a chance to grab a hold of the new Galaxy S20 Ultra, Samsung's most powerful smartphone yet packed with monster cameras on paper.

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Future Xiaomi phone's zoom range might dwarf the Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra's

A whopping 120x zoom

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Samsung Galaxy Camera in-depth review

Our extensive look at the Galaxy Camera, Samsung's first Android-powered digicam.

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Huawei P30 Pro Zoom Test & Details

This extremely in-depth test of the Huawei P30 Pro zoom functionality will tell you everything you need to know about the different zoom range...

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Huawei’s P40 Pro+ packs the craziest camera in a phone yet

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Huawei P40 Pro camera review

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Huawei P30 Pro 50X Zoom In Action - Is It Actually Good?

The Huawei P30 Pro offers up to 50x zoom which is a huge amount of reach for a smartphone but is the quality actually any good? Plus, how does it compare with other smartphones? Let's find out.

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[laptech]

People saying it is standard practice to use the wording 'zoom range' are only doing so to protect Apple from criticism. 'Zoom range' is NEVER used in the low to medium consumer range of cameras in it's sales literature, it is only used in the professional camera consumer market. You go to any general store that sells cameras and go look at the sales info, it will not mention 'zoom range', it will only mention x optical zoom and x digital zoom because that is what manufacturers know consumers understand.

Go look at the 1000's of camera reviews on youtube, unless it's a professional camera, 'zoom range' is never ever mentioned, only the x optical zoom and x digital zoom because it what they know people understand.

The iphone 12 is not a professional camera and as such Apple should not be confusing customers as to it's zoom capabilities. It should be x optical zoom and x digital zoom (if it has them). All customers need to understand is how far the camera zooms out. Why make things so difficult for people.

 

[phido]

Again, that is marketing speak. It is not technically correct. The iPhone *cannot* zoom in optically. It does not have a zoom lens. It has two fixed-focal length (or “prime”) lenses.

Read this, if you don’t understand the difference:

Prime vs Zoom Lenses - Everything You Need to Know

In this beginner guide, we talk about prime and zoom lenses in detail, explaining their differences, along with image samples and comparisons.

photographylife.com

Apple doesn’t claim that the iPhone has a zoom lens.
Yes the ”zooming” is digital. Zoom at 1.5x is digital but at exactly 2x it seems optical to me. Not trying to defend Apple here but it seems fair to call it optical to distinguish it from a pure digital zoom with just one lens.
Anyway thanks for the link!

 

[BugeyeSTI]

You mean the way Samsung misleads customers into thinking pictures in their ads were taken with their phone cameras but actually were taken with a DSLR....

 

[off3nc3]

Why is this troll thread still going ?

 

[mnsportsgeek]

You mean like this?

Apple can list the specs, but they can’t make you read.

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They should advertise it the same way they did last year and not make customers dig through a second webpage to clarify marketing jargon for major devices features.

 

[oVerboost]

Why is this troll thread still going ?

Because the moderators aren't doing their jobs... so many troll threads/posts yet nothing gets done. Come on guys!

 

[phido]

Let me know when you get tired of being wrong.

Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra 100x moon shot zoom range vs the rest

Earlier, we have had a chance to grab a hold of the new Galaxy S20 Ultra, Samsung's most powerful smartphone yet packed with monster cameras on paper.

www.gizguide.com

Future Xiaomi phone's zoom range might dwarf the Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra's

A whopping 120x zoom

www.techradar.com

Samsung Galaxy Camera in-depth review

Our extensive look at the Galaxy Camera, Samsung's first Android-powered digicam.

www.dpreview.com

Huawei P30 Pro Zoom Test & Details

This extremely in-depth test of the Huawei P30 Pro zoom functionality will tell you everything you need to know about the different zoom range...

www.ubergizmo.com

Huawei’s P40 Pro+ packs the craziest camera in a phone yet

After months of rumors and speculation, Huaweiâs P40 Series is finally here, made up of three models. Once again, Huawei has its sights set on pushing the boundaries of mobile photography, this time with three models: the P40, P40 Pro, and

thenextweb.com

Huawei P40 Pro camera review

Huawei’s P40 Pro is the company’s latest high-end smartphone, and features the recent Kirin 990 5G chipset, a 6.58-inch Full-HD+ OLED display with rounded edges, and dual front camera. Huawei tends to use the P-series models to showcase the company’s latest mobile camera technologies, and the...

www.dxomark.com

Huawei P30 Pro 50X Zoom In Action - Is It Actually Good?

The Huawei P30 Pro offers up to 50x zoom which is a huge amount of reach for a smartphone but is the quality actually any good? Plus, how does it compare with other smartphones? Let's find out.

www.ephotozine.com

I appreciate that you looked up all those links! But just because the words “zoom range“ are in those articles doesn’t prove your point at all.

I checked this one and it doesn’t mention zoom range as Apple does. The zoom range does not include the ultra Wide. The article actually proves my point. Thanks

Huawei P30 Pro Zoom Test & Details

This extremely in-depth test of the Huawei P30 Pro zoom functionality will tell you everything you need to know about the different zoom range...

www.ubergizmo.com

Huawei is cleverly using its rich camera hardware to handle different zoom ranges. It’s not clear how intermediate ranges like 2-3X are handled, but it is possible that the camera app chooses to merge data or not, depending on the situation. What we know is:

• 1-2X: 26mm Primary only
• 3-5X: 26m Primary + 135mm Zoom data merge
• 5X+: 135mm Zoom only

Another one. Zoom of one lens. Nothing about combining the zoom from two lenses to get the zoom range

Samsung Galaxy Camera in-depth review

Our extensive look at the Galaxy Camera, Samsung's first Android-powered digicam.

www.dpreview.com

The Galaxy Camera's zoom lens offers a 35mm equivalent zoom range of 23-486mm (21x).

 

[bobmans]

Uhm, Apple is literally like the only phone manufacturer that lists the focal lengths of all their lenses.
Isn't that being as transparant as it gets? Everyone can calculate that 13-26-65 / 13-26-52 is 5x/4x zoom range..

https://imgur.com/d2MOKhX

And if you can't do that then:
2x optical zoom in, 2x optical zoom out; 4x optical zoom range (iPhone 12 Pro)
2.5x optical zoom in, 2x optical zoom out; 5x optical zoom range (iPhone 12 Pro Max)
It's literally listed under the specs.


So you created a whole thread just because you don't know the meaning of "zoom range"?

 

[Cookie18]

So you created a whole thread just because you don't know the meaning of "zoom range"?

This is exactly what happened.

 

[mnsportsgeek]

Uhm, Apple is literally like the only phone manufacturer that lists the focal lengths of all their lenses.
Isn't that being as transparant as it gets? Everyone can calculate that 13-26-65 / 13-26-52 is 5x/4x zoom range..

https://imgur.com/d2MOKhX

And if you can't do that then:
2x optical zoom in, 2x optical zoom out; 4x optical zoom range (iPhone 12 Pro)
2.5x optical zoom in, 2x optical zoom out; 5x optical zoom range (iPhone 12 Pro Max)
It's literally listed under the specs.


So you created a whole thread just because you don't know the meaning of "zoom range"?

Lol at thinking any normal cell phone consumer knows how focal length translates to zoom. What logical reason is there not to include the zoom in that table like they did for the 11 pro?

 

[mcdj]

Most people including Brian Tong himself said that he had assumed that 5X means 5X zoom in.

Vast majority of people won't even realize the difference between zoom range vs zoom in until they get their iPhone 12 and wonder why the camera doesn't look like 5X.

if the “vast majority” of people can’t be bothered to check the specs of a $1000 phone before they buy it, they’re not going to notice the difference between digital and optical zoom.

Mods this is just corny YouTube spam. Can you clean it up?

 

[Thirio2]

I call it intentionally misleading. I expect the zoom range to be from the normal lense, not the ultra wide. I now understand where the 2.5X comes from.

 

[mnsportsgeek]

if the “vast majority” of people can’t be bothered to check the specs of a $1000 phone before they buy it, they’re not going to notice the difference between digital and optical zoom.

Mods this is just corny YouTube spam. Can you clean it up?

Tech specs are for checking stats not mentioned on the main product page.

Why would someone feel compelled to check the tech specs for zoom when the main product page already has it listed? It’s not the customers fault that Apple used the term “zoom range” to combine zoom across multiple lenses which nobody else does.

 

[bobmans]

Lol at thinking any normal cell phone consumer knows how focal length translates to zoom. What logical reason is there not to include the zoom in that table like they did for the 11 pro?

Tech specs are for checking stats not mentioned on the main product page.

Why would someone feel compelled to check the tech specs for zoom when the main product page already has it listed? It’s not the customers fault that Apple used the term “zoom range” to combine zoom across multiple lenses which nobody else does.

Since you like talking about the main product page, they literally listed it right above the table on the main page?

And last year they also talked about zoom range on the main page btw

 

[mnsportsgeek]

Since you like talking about the main product page, they literally listed it right above the table on the main page?

Oh that was nice of them to hide it in a photo caption.

 

[rawCpoppa]

I call it intentionally misleading. I expect the zoom range to be from the normal lense, not the ultra wide. I now understand where the 2.5X comes from.

I now get it thanks to this post. I thought the 2.5 was compared to the wide lense like how it is on my iPhone X.

 

[phido]

Isn’t this thread proof that Apple’s use of zoom range is confusing (even though it’s technically correct)?

 

[LonestarOne]

I call it intentionally misleading. I expect the zoom range to be from the normal lense, not the ultra wide. I now understand where the 2.5X comes from.

The only normal lens on the iPhone is the 52mm — what the marketers call the telephoto lens. What you’re calling the “normal lense” is not a normal lens, it’s a wide-angle lens.

Relative to a normal lens, the iPhone Pro lenses are 0.25x, 0.5x, and 1x.

 

[I7guy]

They should advertise it the same way they did last year and not make customers dig through a second webpage to clarify marketing jargon for major devices features.

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Why should Apple advertise in the exact same way and not try to change, improve or clarify?

 

[flashflooder]

Just wanted to chime in here to note how redundant the term “dishonest marketing” is.

 

[mnsportsgeek]

Why should Apple advertise in the exact same way and not try to change, improve or clarify?

because you and I both know there was no clarification done here.

 

[deannnnn]

The real story of this thread is: iPhone user switches to Android and is desperate to justify that decision.

 

[dojoman]

Looks like I’m going to cancel my iPhone 12 order..........NOT!

 

[Applefan2015]

Why is this troll thread still going ?

Because people keep replying to it