You can also be the same thing by which you describe by defending a company for charging you twice for the same service.
The water company analogy was "spot on."
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Way to get iOS4 Tethering free?
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You can also be the same thing by which you describe by defending a company for charging you twice for the same service.
The water company analogy was "spot on."
I agree that the water analogy was accurate, but my point still stands and is still valid: that's the way the company chooses to do things. Agree with them or not, it's still theft.
Imagine someone is selling something on Craigslist for $100 and you agree to pay it. On your way to pick up the item a friend calls you and tells you the item is only worth $80.
If you were to then show up with an envelope containing $80, take the item and flee, it would be wrong. Whether or not the item is worth it is irrelevant.
Again, I am not attacking anyone, I'm just posing a point to debate. Getting all pissy about it is unnecessary and petty.
You Craigslist analogy correctly identifies theft. Using your phones data connection for more than just your phone is not theft, violation of user agreement, yes.
See if someone was to hook up their computer and start using it as their "dedicated" home internet, I would lean more in your favor. Sure some people do it, most do not. I have the tethering hack for when I need it, it surely can't replace my 50Mbps home internet connection.
I pay for a service. It's called electricity. If I want to add a ceiling fan, I have 2 choices 1) Hire and electrician or 2) Install it myself. I'm simply tapping the existing service.
I pay for a service. It's called Unlimited Data Plan. I want to add a device to the Unlimited Data plan, I have 3 choices. 1) purchase software to do it for me 2) Do it myself 3) Pay $20.00 additional a month for... a service I'm already paying for?
If I hire an electrician and don't pay him, I'm stealing. If I go to Home Depot and don't pay for ceiling fan and wire, I'm stealing. If I take hacked software without paying, I'm stealing. If I have friends willing to build/install software for free, I have good friends.
That analogy is not quite accurate. You're still arguing about whether or not tethering SHOULD cost money. I AGREE that it should be free, but it is not.
We both agree it should not cost money. Imagine if the electric company just up and decided to add a monthly fee for each device hooked up to the service. I know it's not the same. At least the electric company is profiting on the consumption. Wish they would have unlimited consumption for $30.
Once upon a time, Comcast had tried to have a monthly fee for WiFi routers. I'm sure some people paid for the 'Wifi' service. The rest of us bought our own wireless routers.
I'd switch companies. The point still stands that these are the rules, and whether we like it or not, we are not above the rules. Most people who want tethering have to pay for it, so why should you or I be able to have it for free?
I live in Denver, CO; they just started offering 105Mbps service - not sure if I want to pay the premium for those speeds.
Ah Denver. I love Denver. Reasonable pot laws, bicycling paths all over the place, and fast internet. Here in Nashville, TN, the highest available internet is 16MBPS. It is not enough... but we are off topic. Anyways I've enjoyed reading people's arguments. Good points both ways.
I think a good comparison would be is that you signup and pay for cable or satellite TV. It means now that you have opened access to view channels otherwise not accessible through your roof antenna. However, signing up for cable or satellite TV doesn't mean you get access to every channel provided by the carrier. In order other words, paying for basic coverage doesn't mean you're entitled to receive all the bells and whistles that comes with the extra premium service. You gotta pay for the extra service.
Like I said previously, I'm going to buy tethering service other than AT&T. However, I'm just giving my side of this argument because I'm tired of people (not referring to scwinsett) who keep jumping on people to stop stealing or hacking while they're no better themselves.
Like I said previously, I'm going to buy tethering service other than AT&T. However, I'm just giving my side of this argument because I'm tired of people (not referring to scwinsett) who keep jumping on people to stop stealing or hacking while they're no better themselves.
Last reply, because I probably won't sway you. I'm not even currently jailbroken! So here's a story... I once paid $5 for some Bose silicone ear buds on ebay. I had searched b4 and couldn't find a place to purchase them. Item offered, fair deal, item paid.
Before they 'shipped' I discovered that Bose was giving the frigin things away for free. Just give them your email and address and poof... in your mailbox. The seller was simply keying in your information for you. I LMAO when I found out. I emailed my discovery to the seller. After some justification by the seller, she simply refunded the money. I was perfectly happy to pay her. Seems like she had a conscience.
Was she wrong in selling something otherwise free? No. Was I a sucker, Yes. There's a sucker born every minute.... Buyer beware... etc, etc, etc...
Why should you or I have something for free that others are paying for? Because we're educated consumers.
So then it's ok for AT&T then to decide what websites you get to visit? That would be a more appropriate comparison with your analogy.
Wirelessly posted (iphone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_0_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/532.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.5 Mobile/8A306 Safari/6531.22.7)
FFS can't you guys just answer his question and stop getting into a debate on what is moral. Your're not changing anyone's mind.
FFS can't you guys just answer his question and stop getting into a debate on what is moral. Your're not changing anyone's mind.
Because they disagree with AT&T's decision to charge for what they equate to nothing (data=data, shouldn't matter to them how you use it), but they respect the work that people have done to make software like MyWi. You don't have to agree with that, but it's certainly a reasonable point of view.
Cable TV service, you pay for content, you pay your ISP for a connection. I don't pay my cable tv service for every channel, I could if I wanted, I just don't. I pay AT&T for an unlimited data connection, just like I pay Comcast for my home internet service.
Comcast doesn't charge me for the multiple Macs, PCs, and servers that use my home internet connection, why should AT&T? Well, AT&T is wireless, it's not infinite... and all the other BS you get fed. You will run out of bandwidth with physical connections before you run out of wireless bandwidth.
AT&T is trying to "milk" data users for more money, that's all. When you start realizing that it costs AT&T nothing extra for you to tether then you might begin to understand.
Because AT&T is a big faceless company and whoever programs mywi is probably some dude like you and me. I'm not saying its right but thats just how it is.
Also, we already pay att for the data so we should be able to use it however we want
It's not okay when that free alternative to something still involves stealing a service. You are tethering to AT&T's (or whatever carrier you may use) data and that costs money for them to upkeep, and the money they use to make that run comes from the money you should be spending to tether their connection. It's still stealing no matter how you word it or putting. Using something that normally costs money for free without the owning entity's consent is illegal.
Okay, even though that doesn't apply to this situation at all, but okay. You pay $30/mo for internet on your iPhone not your laptop, not your computer, not your whatever, but your iPhone. Using your rationale just because my xbox 360 has the ability to go on xbox live and play games online means I should get it for free?
I prefer to think of it as attempted theft on AT&T's part. And I won't let them steal money from me.
I am FORCED to have a data plan on my service. I have NO CHOICE in the matter. I am FORCED to pay $30 a month, and am allowed unlimited data access with that. I'll use that unlimited data however and for whatever I want.
Lol this.
Would love to see the hack available in Cydia. Can't get SSH working for the past week and a half.