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This post was written on 26 March, which means more than a month has passed since the joint MacRumors and Waytools announcement, WayTools' TextBlade Keyboard to Start Shipping to Test Group Users Next Week, was made.

Clearly, MacRumors made the correct decision to curtail its coverage of the TextBlade. Continuing to enable WT to exploit MR's reach, reputation, and readership would be folly.


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Anybody who has just discovered the TextBlade--or who has become lost in the lengthy bickering over minutia that has come to dominate this thread--should take a look at these links:

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-users-next-week.1957232/page-5#post-22597429
https://forum.waytools.com/latest
http://www.zdnet.com/article/textblade-update-i-cancelled-my-january-order/
https://www.reddit.com/r/textblade/

In short: do not place an order for the TextBlade. There is no evidence whatsoever that the TextBlade will ever ship; WayTools collects payments upon ordering, not shipment; and there is no guarantee WayTools will be able to provide refunds on demand in the future.
 
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We gained NOTHING by MacRumors canceling. During this month, we could have learned a lot about the device. And they could also report on the continuing delays. Instead we just leave people with less information than they could have gotten otherwise - not a good thing.
 
more than a month has passed since the joint MacRumors and Waytools announcement, WayTools' TextBlade Keyboard to Start Shipping to Test Group Users Next Week, was made.

You'll be happy to know we are just starting to get email notices that our TREG units have shipped today via FedEx, "priority overnight". Mine is actually scheduled for delivery Monday. Don't know if they ever deliver on Sundays, but I live in Hawaii.

So far 10 of us have reported getting the email or device. There are 15 known TREG testers on the WayTools forums.

One person who got his compared the time it was apparently scanned by FedEx and they were 6 minutes apart from mine. I don't know exactly what that entails, but if they were doing all the TextBlade orders in a bunch, I would think that in 6 minutes they could do a bunch of them. And it is unlikely that he and I were the first and last ones anyway.
 
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Received an email - apparently they are going to be making phone calls to at least some TREG testers to provide some info and answer questions starting Monday. No idea how many. In some ways it seems like if they feel it is appropriate, they'd call all of them, but I have a hard time seeing them making 200 calls! Or maybe they'll just be calling people like me who, while pretty heavily into computer stuff, is more of the ordinary customer rather than someone with specific education credentials for testing. In the original phone call, they did say they wanted both kinds of testers.
 
Reports are coming into the Waytools forums from TREG testers (still waiting for mine). Here is an abbreviated sampling of them so far. Any place there is a double blank line, that shows where a new post is being quoted. You may find the video about Jumping from one device to another very interesting. Sure is quick:

Exactly the same as Macrumors article. Build quality looks to be very good.


The build quality is very nice and I'm getting used to the feel of the keys. Some keys seem easier to hit then others. You have to get used to not moving your fingers as much as on a normal size keyboard but I don't think it will be hard to get used to.


These is a bit of an adjustment, but after only a few minutes I'm basically fully adjusted. There are only two things that I am still adjusting to: the C key and V key being straight down and not diagonal, and the backspace key being in the top right instead of middle left like it usually is on Colemak.

Anyway, I took a quick video of the Jumps feature when I was first setting up the Textblade. In the video you can see me jumping back and forth between my 6P and my iPhone. I pressed the buttons for the first switch to the iPhone a couple times so you all could see the lights showing which device it was connecting to. It also switches much faster than I allowed it in the video. I'll record another video later when I have a better setup and am more adjusted to the keyboard.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3SMNt_6h1WmSXFvTEFVbEFwSjQ/view?usp=docslist_api

So, the moral of the story is that I absolutely love it. I really think this thing is going to revolutionize typing.


Key feel and travel is excellent - I actually like it better than my Macbook Pro.

So far no issues that seem hardware related.

Some things, like backspace, and especially cursoring around (!) are already faster.

Jump, at least for now, works by having the device switch bluetooth id for each press. so switch to jump one, it goes into pairing mode, you connect on the machine you want, and done. To setup a second connection, hit a new jump combo, the textblade starts pairing as the second id, connect to that with your second device, and done. Really slick. Its pairing just fine with my iPhone 6s and MBP.

My speed on a normal keyboard is ~70wpm and ~376cpm.
My speed on the textblade, using my normal typing hunt-and-peckishness: ~35wpm and ~176cpm
My speed on the textblade, trying to use true typing position: ~20wpm, 98cpm


Initial impression: Nice. Good build quality, good behaviors, good key feel. It will take some time to learn this, but a very positive right out of the box experience.


Imagine borrowing a bicycle, or acclimating to a different car--it isn't quite alien, but with symbols elsewhere, it is certainly different. Quite a compact layout without feeling cramped--very much less finger travel required. Yes, I can get used to this. My desktop computer's keyboard platform is a simple wooden panel and despite TextBlade's elastomer base, right now my typing sounds like a softly muted, oddly slow game of ping pong. As far as the car analogy, for those of you old enough, imagine transitioning from an old truck with a huge steering wheel and monstrously heavy manual steering to a massive luxury automobile of the 70s and its small, over-boosted power steering wheel. For me, an older guy who learned to hunt and peck on portable manual typewriters, then electric typewriters, then a bunch of different computer keyboards, this initially felt confining, but I'm getting better...

The magnetic over-center feel of the butterflies makes bottoming out the keys pretty natural and difficult to avoid.


Latest post summaries:

So, already up to 59 WPM on the Textblade. It already feels completely natural to type on.

My normal speed is somewhere between 80 and 90 wpm, so there is still some room for improvement, though I can confidently say that this is a much more comfortable experience than typing on my Macbook keyboard.


My initial impression of the TextBlade overall is that it was definitely worth the wait. I can already use it at almost normal speed. It will take a while to get used to it, but it really is nice right out of the box!
 
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I'll be doing what the other TREG testers are doing and posting on the WayTools forums. It takes time to consolidate comments by various testers and then repost them here. If you really want them, let me know. Otherwise check out their forums to get all the information, in context.
 
It's great to hear that the testing units finally shipped. I dropped by their forums to read user comments, but there are quite a few to get through!

I have to say, at $99, I think I might prefer the new Apple Bluetooth keyboard to the TextBlade. I know the Apple keyboard isn't pocketable, but my use case for a portable keyboard is to use it with my iPad. And since I now have the 12.9 iPad Pro, any bag that is big enough to carry the iPad also has space for the Apple keyboard. If any of the TextBlade testers can compare the two, I'd be grateful. And btw, what does TREG stand for? I don't know if it was mentioned somewhere and I missed it.
 
I have to say, at $99, I think I might prefer the new Apple Bluetooth keyboard to the TextBlade. I know the Apple keyboard isn't pocketable, but my use case for a portable keyboard is to use it with my iPad. And since I now have the 12.9 iPad Pro, any bag that is big enough to carry the iPad also has space for the Apple keyboard. If any of the TextBlade testers can compare the two, I'd be grateful. And btw, what does TREG stand for?

TREG = "Test RElease Group".

For your situation, it makes perfect sense to use the iPad keyboard. I can't tell you, yet, what advantages the TextBlade has, though it certainly is darn flexible! Really fast jumping from device to device (up to 6). Of course, programmable in various ways too. It MIGHT be a superior typing experience, but for now, I'm a mess! But I've only used it for a matter of minutes so far because FedEx failed to deliver (claimed no one was here, but I was here all day!).

From reading other comments, I have a feeling I may be slower to adjust than most. We'll see.

Let me make a few more, general, observations which I think you'll find others who have used the device would agree with:

1. It seems very well made though only time will tell how long it holds up since it just isn't like regular keyboards, making judgments on this difficult.

2. It truly is a unique approach, explaining part of why it took so long.

3. Amazing versatility which, again, would take a lot of work to do right.

4. So far I haven't seen anyone find an actual problem with the device so all this extra work may have accomplished the goal of shipping out a device that really has bugs worked out of it. Maybe they did too much in this area, but it doesn't look the time was wasted so far. Would be a bummer if they took all this time to get it just right and then it had lots of problems.

5. I think I can pretty much guarantee that no testers at their hands-on event (or Juli) would have had nearly enough time to spot any problem considering how many errors they would be making initially anyway just trying to adjust to it! I say that in response to the claims that they should have shipped way back in March since, supposedly, everything was working great based on the hands-on event. Those people really wouldn't be able to tell enough that quickly.

6. The gift is pretty generous by all accounts. At least for the earliest buyers. I have no idea where the cutoff dates are for lesser gifts or how much lesser they will be, but for those who are at the top, it's a darn good deal.

7. Speaking of generosity, let me add some more about WayTools. You have the one year upgrade guarantee for the first year. Sure, maybe the next version will be later than a year so you don't benefit, but at least you know for sure this will be the latest rather than buy something only to be behind if there were an upgrade in just 6 months. Also, if I recall correctly, their warranty includes free shipping both ways for repairs. And we already know that they have been first rate about refunds - even letting people that canceled and changed their minds to get reinstated to their original place in line if they wish to reorder within 7 days of canceling. We've heard a LOT over the past year about WT not caring about customers. Yes, they delayed things a lot. Yes, they didn't do very well with communication. Yes, they should not have charged cards before shipping. But the things in this paragraph shows a lot of concern for the customer too.

Now, we just need one more step - regular shipping to the other customers.
 
TREG = "Test RElease Group".

Now, we just need one more step - regular shipping to the other customers.

Amen brother :D.
Glad I didn't cancel my order now that I've read some of the TREG feedback on the WT forums.
Looking forward to finally trying it out for myself (hopefully in only a couple of weeks).

BTW, what's the gift for early orders? Yeah, yeah NDA and all that but... :cool:
 
Can't tell you except to say that, at least for the earliest orders, it is in my opinion better than anyone projected - at least that I saw.

Not that I'm asking you to break your NDA, but what rationale is there for WayTools to want to keep this a secret? Oh, they want people to be surprised when they get their gift? In your opinion, is the suspense worth it?
 
Not that I'm asking you to break your NDA, but what rationale is there for WayTools to want to keep this a secret? Oh, they want people to be surprised when they get their gift? In your opinion, is the suspense worth it?

It's just a surprise. It is certainly a very nice one. I suppose they just prefer a lot of people find out a the same time. But I don't know anything except what the "best" gift is and I do not know what the cut-off dates are for gift levels.

But then, even if the lower levels are much less interesting, it's still a bonus I didn't expect when I ordered.

I also do not know if the gift is one per each person who ordered or if it is 1 for every text blade you ordered.
 
Mark Knighton called me tonight - different people there are calling different TREG testers. Talked for 3 hours and 35 minutes! Went over a ton of tech stuff I really can't get into (patent issues for now) but while I knew this thing was more complicated than most seemed to realize, even my impression was way too conservative. While I don't know why they couldn't judge better how long this could take to get right, I have no problem at all understanding that it did take this long.
 
Mark Knighton called me tonight - different people there are calling different TREG testers. Talked for 3 hours and 35 minutes! Went over a ton of tech stuff I really can't get into (patent issues for now) but while I knew this thing was more complicated than most seemed to realize, even my impression was way too conservative. While I don't know why they couldn't judge better how long this could take to get right, I have no problem at all understanding that it did take this long.

Talking about complicated, I was looking at a picture of the TextBlade on their webpage, and I noticed that the middle keys, the ones you hit with your index finger, are all combined into one large key. So that one key has to differentiate between 6 letters (8? I don't know how you get the number/symbols row). I couldn't help wonder if WayTools could have simplified the job for themselves if they had divided that large key into two keys, and the user moves their index finger to hit the two keys, just like they move the index finger between two key columns on a regular keyboard. What do you think?
 
It may have simplified it in one way but added issues another way. Hard to explain and the details would be conjecture anyway. Thing is, even a single key with three possibilities is far more complicated than even I would have thought and doesn't do what you would expect. It is far more complicated to give even better results.

As for numbers, they are easy but takes some getting used to. You hold the thumb down and hit the key with the number. Same thing for those symbols.

Another item they did was caps key. You can hold it and hit a key as normal for a capital or hit it twice for caps lock. But they learned that the world's fastest typist discovered that it is faster not to use the caps key. He always uses caps lock even for one letter and then hits it again after getting the one letter. Well, with TB they made the caps key "sticky". You don't have to hold it down, though you can. Tap it once and whatever letter to type next is capitalized and then it turns off. There were just all kinds of detail that they included that most people wouldn't even think of.
 
The sticky caps key sounds like a good idea, and I'd love it if regular keyboards worked that way. But in order to get numbers/symbols, you have to hold down what with your thumb? They couldn't have made that sticky too?
 
The sticky caps key sounds like a good idea, and I'd love it if regular keyboards worked that way. But in order to get numbers/symbols, you have to hold down what with your thumb? They couldn't have made that sticky too?

Well, it certain can't be sticky in the same way since a quick tap would have to give you a space. There are some things he talked me through where holding something down slightly longer (fraction of a second) would keep something active after you let go of the keys, but I can't remember what it was!

It may seem harder, but remember, the number keys are much closer so it seems that once used to it, this will be faster. Not sure about when entering lots of numbers in a spreadsheet, but I think you could set up your own keyboard layout just for numbers and assign the keys any way you want. Even in a number pad format!
 
Mark Knighton called me tonight - different people there are calling different TREG testers. Talked for 3 hours and 35 minutes! Went over a ton of tech stuff I really can't get into (patent issues for now) but while I knew this thing was more complicated than most seemed to realize, even my impression was way too conservative. While I don't know why they couldn't judge better how long this could take to get right, I have no problem at all understanding that it did take this long.

Why call you?

Why not come here and address issues. That would not require disclosing patent secrets.

Better yet he could just tell the truth and come clean on timing and delivery.

Had they published a project plan we'd be in sync.

Lets not forget this whole effort was predicated on a lie.
 
Why call you?

Because they (not just Knighton) are calling TREG people to help them know how to make use of all the testing and reporting options so things get started well.

Better yet he could just tell the truth and come clean on timing and delivery.

Well, he said they'd be posting soon on their website. You can watch for it there.

Lets not forget this whole effort was predicated on a lie.

Nope.
 
Oh yeah a lie. The another and another and another.....

Let me also get this straight...he has provided information to you so you feel better and the hell with the rest of us?
 
Oh yeah a lie. The another and another and another.....

yet you haven't shown any

Let me also get this straight...he has provided information to you so you feel better and the hell with the rest of us?

You are quite proficient at making assumptions.

YES, he provided information. That strikes me as a good thing unless you want the TREG testing to take longer than necessary. I do feel better to actually have the device and thus absolutely be able to confirm it exists and works well. Before I even signed up to try to get to be a tester, I was saying I would feel better once people outside of WayTools could report on it. Same reason that I wished Juli here at MR was still testing it.

Nor have I forgotten the other customers. I've already expressed my opinion to another tester who though shipping should be delayed until a particular improvement was made - I said it shouldn't hold it up at all because it wasn't something needing fixing but just another improvement.

Now, maybe you can stop making assumptions about people?
 
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So are you typing these posts with TextBlade?

Mostly, with plenty of corrections needed. My biggest issues is with the ergonomic settings since it simply isn't the angle I'm used to. My other main issue is adjusting to new positions for some characters - at least on the Dvorak system I use. But on these posts, I mostly only have to worry about hyphens or question marks so not too bad since periods, commas, etc, are normal. Oh, and quotations throw me off, though I now know where they are. The process simply isn't automatic yet.
 
After about 5 days (started Monday night), I can now typically expect to type at 40 wpm or more per minute pretty consistently. Got over 50 a number of times in tests and 62 once. My old speeds were usually in the 50s and occasionally the 60s so this is really good to reach so soon. Still slow on some symbols, even ones I remember locations for simply because I have to get used to different combos. For example, a question mark doesn't use the shift key. You hold the space bar instead. But there are a limited number of these I use regularly so they shouldn't be a bother for long.

Basically, I expect this to fully replace my Apple keyboard.
 
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