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I concur completely. There's something else going on.

I concur.

The other thing that doesn't make sense is that if it's about repopulation and bringing the best and brightest then why are they bringing single people or people without their children. During last night's episode my wife said, "um, so they brought Juliette Lewis's character to Wayward Pines just because they needed a bartender?!?" She had a child, but they just brought her. Too many discrepancies for me with what they have revealed thus far. The "cover story" is not making sense.
 
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Way too many holes in what we learned this week. BTW, if you're reading this thread before watching the most recent episode you deserve to have the episode spoiled. You can only spoil if you find out something prior to the episode airing, or if you <gasp!> read the books.

That being said...I know it's much easier to manipulate children, but there's no reason to keep the parents while keeping them in the dark. Additionally, there's no reason to kill anyone for talking about their past (assuming they really are killed).

My friend suggests that it may indeed be far in our future, but the scenes from the past that we have seen may be what was falsified, à la "Life on Mars."
 
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Way too many holes in what we learned this week. BTW, if you're reading this thread before watching the most recent episode you deserve to have the episode spoiled. You can only spoil if you find out something prior to the episode airing, or if you <gasp!> read the books.

That being said...I know it's much easier to manipulate children, but there's no reason to keep the parents while keeping them in the dark. Additionally, there's no reason to kill anyone for talking about their past (assuming they really are killed).

My friend suggests that it may indeed be far in our future, but the scenes from the past that we have seen may be what was falsified, à la "Life on Mars."

All the big name reviewers online and cable TV spoil just to get story mentioning things like Pope is in all three books.
 
Gah! I hate that. Fortunately, it's so easy to ignore them. :)

Terrence Howard is so big now that all the TV gossip shows have him but more due to Empire (fav show in years).

He has had a messy personal life so he is ratings gold for those types of shows. As of late I avoid TMZ.
 
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So with IMDB showing the departed Juliette Lewis and Terrance Howard to be in remaining shows for episodes #6-#10, I could only think there's something supernatural or alien here where they are resurrected, but maybe not even with same persona.

The much less likely scenario is that while Ethan tries to come up with a game winning strategy, he could only do so digging into the past of key Wayward Pines folk which would mean bringing back Beverly and Pope in flashback sequences to fill out the eight episode acting credits.

I haven't read any spoilers or the books so it's just me guessing.

If there was any theory that Terrence Howard is too busy with the unexpectedly huge worldwide reaction to the show Empire to be able to finish out the series of Wayward Pines, he signed on and finished Wayward Pines before he did Empire. So I find it very unlikely that the show's creators would get somebody this big to play only a few episodes as the main villain simply to get killed off.
 
I'm telling ya they're clones man.
Some gone very,very wrong.

I tend to think this is a strong possibility. I also think they are programmed from an outside source (government, aliens, eccentric billionaire, etc) and Agent Burke is up against something way over his head.

To make this show interesting each episode should pull out a big surprise and the enemy should appear stronger each time a new fact is put out.
 
Pilcher is playing Stalin being dictator, spying on people, and killing them to retain power in guise of helping society.

Like any dictator he takes disenfranchised and gives them power in his world. Telling the truth would mean end to his power which is all the show is about.

Burke has to play along until he can overtake Pilcher and not lose control of the so called new reality.

It seems no matter what is the truth or who or what he is, Pilcher won't give in if that means losing godlike power.
 
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Am I the only one confused about how there could have been a "group B" if there was a "group A"? Was it planned to have a backup group of people in case the original civilization didn't work out? I assumed the lady may have been lying to the kids in an attempt to add plausibility to her lesson when she said it was the year 4xxx but apparently that is true. So then it is not like they were able to travel back in time to freeze a second group.

The timeline also annoys me a bit since the scenes with Terence sabotaging Ethan's wife's car would have occurred before Ethan even reached Wayward Pines.

Goes to show anything can happen on this show. Fits the M. Night Shyamalan formula quite well :p.
 
The timeline also annoys me a bit since the scenes with Terence sabotaging Ethan's wife's car would have occurred before Ethan even reached Wayward Pines.


Timeline Chad Hodge at EW:

1996: At 30 years-old, a young David Pilcher (Toby Jones) discovers the human genome is changing due to our own destruction of the planet. He dedicates himself to finding a way to preserve humanity, to give us a second chance… in the future.

1997: Pilcher sets up a lab and drops his inherited millions into researching suspended animation. At 31 years-old, Pilcher successfully suspends a rat. He begins fabricating suspension units for human beings. But he needs more money, more support, more people.

1998: Pilcher tries to get people to follow him, but doesn’t find much support in the academic community. He begins focusing on people who are willing to leave their current lives behind for a better one in the future. People who can help him rebuild civilization. His “inner circle”. He finds a few. His sister Pamela Pilcher (Melissa Leo). A hypnotherapist named Megan Fisher (Hope Davis). A down-on-his luck security guard named Arnold Pope (Terrence Howard). And everyone who works in the eventual superstructure.

1998: Meanwhile, Pilcher searches for a beautiful yet naturally walled-in town, a safe zone for humanity to reawaken. He discovers the real town of Wayward Pines, Idaho. He’ll need a lot of people to repopulate this town in the future. After all, they will be the last of humanity. But how many people would give up their lives and families to go into suspended animation without any guarantee of survival? Very few.

1999: Arnold Pope begins abducting people. The first abductee is Dr. Charles Keen. Later, he abducts Beverly Brown (Juliette Lewis) who was in the town of Wayward Pines to sell Y2K software protection to the local school.

2000: Theresa Burke (Shannyn Sossamon) gives birth to a son and drops out of training at the Secret Service, where she met her husband Ethan (Matt Dillon).

2001: Peter McCall (Justin Kirk) attends a conference in Los Angeles. Has a drink with Pilcher’s sister Pam. He’s abducted that night.

2014: Seattle. Ethan Burke and Kate Hewson (Carla Gugino), partners in the Secret Service, have an affair. Ethan is 45. Kate is 27.

September 2014: Theresa learns about Ethan’s affair with Kate.

October 2014: Kate transfers to the Boise field office.

October 12, 2014: Kate Hewson and Bill Evans drive to Wayward Pines to investigate David Pilcher. It’s a fake name so they don’t know what he looks like, but they’ve been tracking financial records and too much money has been flowing in and out of Wayward Pines. Just outside of Wayward Pines, they get into a car crash.

October 15, 2014: Three days later, Ethan Burke’s boss Adam Hassler (Tim Griffin) tells Ethan that Kate Hewson and Bill Evans are missing. Ethan is booked on a flight to Boise.

October 16, 2014: Ethan Burke checks in with the Secret Service via email from Lowman, Idaho at 1:21 P.M. Ethan drives with Agent Stallings through the Boise National Forest to Wayward Pines. They get into a crash with a semi-truck. Stallings is killed in the crash. Pope carries Ethan away and puts him in suspended animation. The car is torched.

October 18, 2014: The Secret Service inspects the recovered car. No sign of Ethan Burke.

October 20, 2014: Hassler meets with David Pilcher. Wants to call it off. Too late.

Late October, 2014: Someone in Pilcher’s inner circle gets a recording of Theresa’s home answering machine message.

October 22-23, 2014: Theresa and Ben drive to Boise. They track Ethan to a town called Wayward Pines. Hassler alerts Pilcher. Theresa and Ben are pulled over by Arnold Pope, who cuts the car’s break line. They later (offscreen) get into a car crash, are abducted by Pope, and put into suspended animation.

December 31, 2014: Everyone in the inner circle goes into their suspended animation chambers, including David Pilcher (now 48) and his sister Pam.

By 2514: According to Pilcher’s projections, the entire human race will be extinct.

4014: Pilcher comes out of suspension along with most of the members of his inner circle. The group surveys the wreckage of the town and the world after 2,000 years. They see an abby for the first time. They build the electrified fence. They start to rebuild the town.

4016: After two years, the town is rebuilt. Pilcher brings the first group of abductees, Group A, out of suspended animation. There is a ribbon-cutting ceremony on Main Street. He tells them the truth. Most don’t believe him. 26 escape and are killed by abbies. Those who do believe him commit suicide. The rules are changed. The adults can’t know the truth. Anyone who doesn’t follow the rules will be killed. Kill one to save the rest of the last of humanity.

October 14, 4016: Kate Hewson is brought out of suspension. She’s still 27 (you don’t age during suspended animation). She thinks it’s 2014.

October, 4017: One year later, Kate marries Harold Ballinger (Reed Diamond).

April, 4027: Bill Evans is brought out of suspension.

October 21, 4027: Beverly Brown is brought out of suspension. She thinks it’s 1999 because that’s her last memory. Pope takes her to the Biergarten and tells her she’s a bartender there.

October 6, 4028: Bill Evans tries to escape. He’s caught and murdered via public reckoning on Main Street. His body is placed in the house at 604 First Avenue.

October 16, 4028: Ethan Burke is brought out of suspension and placed in the forest on the outskirts of town. He wakes up, bruised and bloodied from his car accident.
 
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Pilcher has enough people to repopulate a state. He only unfroze enough for group A to make sure things would work in his idea of utopia. Things didn't work. So time to unfreeze group B. It's not so much that Ethan's wife was taken after he arrived, as after he was kidnapped. They were both frozen. When Ethan started causing problems, they unfroze the wife and son.

Am I the only one confused about how there could have been a "group B" if there was a "group A"? Was it planned to have a backup group of people in case the original civilization didn't work out? I assumed the lady may have been lying to the kids in an attempt to add plausibility to her lesson when she said it was the year 4xxx but apparently that is true. So then it is not like they were able to travel back in time to freeze a second group.

The timeline also annoys me a bit since the scenes with Terence sabotaging Ethan's wife's car would have occurred before Ethan even reached Wayward Pines.

Goes to show anything can happen on this show. Fits the M. Night Shyamalan formula quite well :p.
 
Timeline is well explained (above) but it order to stretch it out to 10 episodes, the whole spreading out of facts was as clear as mud. Remember book wasn't written with 10 episodes in mind.

Some detractors may blame book but real criticism is on adapted screenwriters. It could be this story can't be told well in this format. Imagine if they told Star Wars in a TV series or all of Star Trek season 1 in a single two hour movie.
 
Timeline is well explained (above) but it order to stretch it out to 10 episodes, the whole spreading out of facts was as clear as mud. Remember book wasn't written with 10 episodes in mind.

Some detractors may blame book but real criticism is on adapted screenwriters. It could be this story can't be told well in this format. Imagine if they told Star Wars in a TV series or all of Star Trek season 1 in a single two hour movie.

It was blatant although the show certainly took a different path than expected. Frankly I am not sure I love it as a series and honestly would prefer this as a two-hour movie, although you can just look at it as a trilogy of 3 ~ two-hour movies. Fox did provide a pretty decent budget though.
 
It was blatant although the show certainly took a different path than expected. Frankly I am not sure I love it as a series and honestly would prefer this as a two-hour movie, although you can just look at it as a trilogy of 3 ~ two-hour movies. Fox did provide a pretty decent budget though.

That cast didn't come cheap. I am glad that at least they brought back Pope in a flashback role.
 
One thing I noticed in the last episode.
When Ethan goes inside the operations center with Pilcher.

An "abby" screams at Ethan. He's black.

Still goes with my theory of Clones.

The Black abby could be a bad clone of the supposed dead sheriff .

The downside ? The good clones can't reproduce if they are over a certain age. Thus the children.
 
When Sheriff Pope got dragged off by some monsters, it was probably the Abbies. It seems Pilcher has some Abbies in his posse and at least one at home base as we have seen.

I am thinking some can shape shift between human and Abby and if not, there's an alliance of sorts between Pilcher and head of Abbies.

I guess the Abbies have their own factions, too. If they are descended from us, they are probably behind only that they don't have equipment but I assume they are at least as smart as us, if not smarter. Evolution moves forward so the Abbies are most likely superior to us in many ways.

I think this can play out like V where there are good and bad lizards, and good and bad humans with the audience never really knowing right off who are the good guys and who are the bad guys. To make things more interesting I assume some individuals get turned or play both sides.
 
Some website is reporting a second season. 10 more episodes.
I hope 3 to cover all 3 books but they have to do something about sheriff Pope for all 3 books. You can't just have him as flashback only character.

But with actor Terrence Howard being in hottest TV show since early American Idol seasons it may not be easy to keep him on staff.
 
So the security camera guy who didn't do job is deep frozen which will likely backfire on back end.

Rebels blew hole in fence so secret will be out soon.

We should see what happens with Pilcher who has lost control and sis is not on same page.
 
I've been under the impression this entire time that this show was a one time mini series event. I'm going to be very disappointed if there is a second season and it drags on.
 
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