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This, in my opinion, would be an error that luckily, Apple didn’t make. Making it more expensive, and adding niche features to an already niche smartphone, would have resulted in a disaster even bigger than the mini. However, if they take the current base iPhone 17 and just make it 0.5” smaller… that could be a win.


EXACTLY!!! This guy (or gal) knows.



This, as I’ve already said, would have been a disaster in my opinion. But not only a sales disaster, but an engineering nightmare! If the mini iPhones already had poor battery life, just imagine taxing the battery with a high consumption pro-motion display. And making the battery even smaller to make room to the Pro camera set… as I said, a true nightmare for Apple designers and engineers, in features that people who buy a compact smartphone don’t care about.

Also, are you suggesting making it thicker and heavier? Oh, there goes another selling point of the mini: it would not only be more expensive but also heavier… honestly who would have bought it? You, the few pro-mini fans of the forum, and maybe a dozen of tech YouTubers?
Mini is about the footprint...they could have made it 15% thicker while keeping the footprint the same to increase the battery. Thickness is not an issue, having something the size of poptart in your pocket. I carry my airpods in my pocket 24/7 and it's far thicker then anyphone.
 
The demand simply isn't there.

Get the regular 17 and you'll adjust to the larger size in no time as it's lightweight still.
I went with the Air this time and now when I even hold a regular iPhone 17 Pro, it feels like a brick. It’s amazing the Air has a lot of what people like about the mini with much better battery life. Easy to hold but has a slightly bigger display. Great iPhones this year. Just don’t like the switch to aluminum. They can say it’s all due to thermals but the vapor chamber should do that. Or they could have used titanium on the outer edge to ensure more impact resistance than the aluminum has. The Air feels so much stronger than the Pros - a nice change.
 
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MKBHD said that phones need to be even bigger and thicker. And the parrots just repeat. So it’s not going to happen. I’m sorry. I’d buy one myself too.
It would be nice if instead of a what five year design cycle for the iPhones they come out with something different every few years. I mean do a mini once every few years. Do an Air once every few years. Do a fold once every few years. Then update the Pro and Ultra every year. Remove the stupid pro max moniker also. It’s either a pro or an ultra in my book.Apple wants a hit every year but the reality is that’s not how consumers buy. Also, I think Apple has burned a lot of goodwill with promises they cannot deliver on. No reason they couldn’t switch it up as some devices won’t sell as many but would keep customers happy in the ecosystem.
 
Since the Air is also a bit of a niche product it would be nice if Apple (for the fans) could do every other year.

2025: iPhone Air
2026: iPhone 18 mini
2027: iPhone Air
2028: iPhone 20 mini
Etc..

It would probably keep a lot of people happy and buying new phones.
 
As a 13 Mini user with new battery (one of the best ideas for this little thing), I will probably change to a 17 in a couple of years. It will have a lower price and those 120hz are finally THE reason to change to a base iPhone for that price.

But for now, I will enjoy my little device that works very well and it comes with a really good feature: No AI
Yes! No Ai!

And no iOS 26!!
 
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Mini 12 still available from ATT in Mexico.

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I find it interesting when people talk about the appeal of a foldable iPhone, i.e. having a one-handed device that can then open to roughly the size of an iPad Mini when needed. So, why not just have basically that right now? iPhone Mini for out-and-about, iPad Mini for at-home use? It has seemed obvious to me for years that this is the way.

More existentially, an iPhone Mini is the minimalist version of an iPhone, if there ever was such a thing. It does not encourage constant, ever-increasing screen time. It’s more a tool than a toy. Apple’s trajectory for the last several years has been to try and increase screen time on its devices whenever possible, which also happens to work fiscally for the services they offer for a monthly cost. Note how Apple has never ventured into a phone or watch that does less, like an e-ink screened device.

More and more, the iPhone Mini feels like a one-time albatross, like a sports car that gets pushed to production by a passionate internal team and then sells poorly. I’ll keep using mine for as long as it functions well, then probably have to consider other options at that time. I don’t have great faith it will be revived in any capacity.
 
As a mini user, I would say the Air is the next best alternative. Thinner, lighter, most hand-holdable.
It actually is not, it's lighter but it's most certainly not hand-holdable especially if your reasoning for going with the mini in the first place is due to having smaller hand or just liking it being smaller overall. The Air is thinner, but it's overall length is longer which means when you hold the phone especially if you have smaller hand you need to cup your hand around the center of the back of the phone. With with the screen being bigger and you having smaller hands, when you have to do the "swipe up" motion 30 times a day you are going to be over extending your thumb over and over just to reach the bottom of the screen. My thumb, or the join between my thumb and my hand was hurting after just one day of use.

I would love it if Apple would make an Air with smaller screen.
 
I love my mini. Keep it in the truck. Only negative to me is that it does not have FaceID. Once you get used to it, it is hard to go back.
 
But right now, there’s no offer for my demand. Anyone else feel this way?
I don't have a horse in this race as I absolutely prefer the bigger real-estate of the larger phones.

That said, every time Apple tries to do a smaller form factor phone, they just don't sell. Heck, even the Air seems to not be doing that well. If they sold, they'd make them... they just don't. :confused:
 
I don't have a horse in this race as I absolutely prefer the bigger real-estate of the larger phones.

That said, every time Apple tries to do a smaller form factor phone, they just don't sell. Heck, even the Air seems to not be doing that well. If they sold, they'd make them... they just don't. :confused:
Throw the Plus on that list, then. None of the non-Pro phones sell well. A Pro mini would sell well, but they’ve never made one.
 
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Throw the Plus on that list, then. None of the non-Pro phones sell well. A Pro mini would sell well, but they’ve never made one.

Fair; the only non-Pro phone that seems to sell well is the 'standard' model for that year.

I'm sure a Pro Mini would sell well. The problem is that, for something the size of a phone, 'pro' and 'mini' are competing goals. You're not going to get a mini-phone without having to ditch multiple aspects of the pro that make it pro.
 
iPhone mini forever. Yes it did not sell well but the old Apple knew how to tell people what they should want instead of chasing revealed preference. Unfortunately the new iOS has taken a major toll on performance and battery life. It's a shame but iOS 26 feels like the first major release where Cupertino has decided that it's time for us to feel the pain. Perhaps they are hoping we give up and settle for the iPhone 17 but I will never settle when it comes to form factor.
 

Would anyone willingly daily use a phone, much bigger than their hand?
Would anyone willingly daily wear giant sized shoes, much bigger than their feet?

Females really LOVE small phones, so they keep buying the smaller discontinued ones.
Also for whatever reason, Apple has NOT made the iPhone 5 obsolete. I wonder why?
 
1 hour of screen on time sounds great
That's disingenuous. The mini has around 72% of the width x height area of the Air, so given the improvements in battery tech and wireless chips, an Air mini should be able to get around the same battery life as the 13 mini (which is around 60% of the Air, based on the video playback numbers, despite having 77% of its battery capacity).
 
That's disingenuous. The mini has around 72% of the width x height area of the Air, so given the improvements in battery tech and wireless chips, an Air mini should be able to get around the same battery life as the 13 mini (which is around 60% of the Air, based on the video playback numbers, despite having 77% of its battery capacity).

Also important to note that the mini has about 98% of the volume of the Air.

I think an Air mini is a bad idea. Using what they learned in making the Air to make a new, standard Mini would be a great move.
 
I think an Air mini is a bad idea. Using what they learned in making the Air to make a new, standard Mini would be a great move.
I agree, mostly because I don’t like the Air’s design and camera bar. I’d actually prefer an iPhone 5-shaped mini with flush back, which with today’s tech should have decent-enough battery life.
 
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