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With iPads lasting a long time, combined with the high prices of the iPad Pro especially along with the keyboard, many will be holding on to their iPads for a long time. Don't see any particular need to upgrade every 2 years or so. The 2018 and 2020 models (both without M series chips) continue to receive software updates even today and work perfectly well.
 
I really want the 13" M4 iPad Pro but I'd need to buy the keyboard as well and the price is just astronomical for a product that is rather limited. The 13" iPad Pro with keyboard is more than a MacBook Pro and that's just stupid.
Same sentiment, except my reason is running out of storage (512GB) and 11” being too small for remote access use. I have long since stopped playing genshin but even for Honkai star rail (developed by the same company) M1 performance is bad. Passive cooling is really Achilles Heel for playing game long time.
But, the 1TB M4 13” iPad Pro (plus keyboard and Apple Pencil pro) is so expensive I have no idea how I could save up for it.
 
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For me the major turnoff was the needless thinning of the device. I would have much preferred the upgrade in battery life. I have not once had an issue with iPad Pro thickness since my first model in 2017.

Maybe extra battery is not so critical when the device is new but my 2021 model definitely doesn't have the sort of battery life it once did and a larger capacity would be really helping me out right now.

Granted that's counter to Apple's desire for more regular upgrade cycles in one sense, but here I am camping on my 2021 model and planning a cheap battery replacement instead of buying the latest model, while the latest model seems to be reportedly selling poorly. So who's to say?

Also I wish they'd cut the crap and let us dual boot MacOS already.
 
Well to be honest a lot of people are not going to spend there money on a oled iPad when you are trying to survive these days and you can buy a older iPad pro for cheaper that have nice non oled screens🤣
When they are trying to survive? Did not realize the US was in a depression or recession. Americans are spending more now than ever and powering the economy.
 
I wanted to upgrade to the new iPad Pro 2024, but since there is no Smart Folio keyboard for it, I am sticking with my previous iPad Pro. I think Apple is missing the point of portability with the new iPad Pro if it is only giving users the new Magic Keyboard as option. I don't want another laptop, I want something light that I can use to read AND type easily whenever I want.
+1. I'm sticking with my older iPad Pro too for this reason. The Magic Keyboard is thicker, heavier, and louder to type on (most people probably don't care about the noise, but I like quiet keyboards like the Smart Folio was). The Magic Keyboard's cost is insult to injury but TBH not even the main thing holding me back.
 
iPad Pro is too expensive for what it is by today’s standards. Apple should have moved Air to OLED first, those would probably sell better.
What standards? High end Android and Samsung tablets are same price range. Windows tablets same range with far more capabilities, if one uses Windows. iPad Pro running MacOs would shake things up. Apple painted themselves into a corner with iPadOS in Pro series.
 
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When they are trying to survive? Did not realize the US was in a depression or recession. Americans are spending more now than ever and powering the economy.
On credit, look at national personal debt numbers. There are numerous metrics showing the haves vs the have nots divide in America. Corporate Greedflation hurt a lot of people
 
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On credit, look at national personal debt numbers. There are numerous metrics showing the haves vs the have nots divide in America. Corporate Greedflation hurt a lot of people
Don’t buy it, as everyone is still spending. I work in the credit/risk industry and see all the models. If you are suffering with debt and money problems, then you should probably not be buying anything Apple related to begin with, unless you are getting it free with carrier promotions or on the used market. Just my opinion though and Americans will continue to spend. Again we are not close to a recession or a depression. There is always debt.
 
What standards? High end Android and Samsung tablets are same price range. Windows tablets same range with far more capabilities, if one uses Windows. iPad Pro running MacOs would shake things up. Apple painted themselves into a corner with iPadOS in Pro series.

Not quite. Samsung Galaxy Tab S9 (11” screen, 120 Hz) starts at 799$, Apple’s iPad Pro 11” starts at 999$.
 
Also I wish they'd cut the crap and let us dual boot MacOS already.
Yes. That could be a defining feature of the Pro-series iPad (versus Air and regular, which would not be able to dual boot). I'd easily pay the money for the keyboard and a 1 TB iPad Pro if I could dual boot macOS and iPadOS. The idea of having a tablet OS when I'm just consuming content, then switching to a desktop OS when I put it on the keyboard to do work is very appealing and would almost justify the iPad Pro pricing.
 
On credit, look at national personal debt numbers. There are numerous metrics showing the haves vs the have nots divide in America. Corporate Greedflation hurt a lot of people
And will continue to hurt until there’s no people in US.
 
Yes. That could be a defining feature of the Pro-series iPad (versus Air and regular, which would not be able to dual boot). I'd easily pay the money for the keyboard and a 1 TB iPad Pro if I could dual boot macOS and iPadOS. The idea of having a tablet OS when I'm just consuming content, then switching to a desktop OS when I put it on the keyboard to do work is very appealing and would almost justify the iPad Pro pricing.
To be fair, if that’s the requirement, it would be more practical to have iPadOS running under a VM, as well as macOS, and both OS runs concurrently. Ignoring the fact that Apple hates virtualisation, I don’t know if M4 today could handle such task. Granted no one outside of Apple can really experiment fully but I think it is harder than people think.
Or, equip iPad with 24GB of RAM and assign iPadOS with 8 and macOS with 16, so both OS could sleep almost instantly.
Regardless, unless apple’s culture got shook up, nothing in that direction could happen.
 
Don’t buy it, as everyone is still spending. I work in the credit/risk industry and see all the models. If you are suffering with debt and money problems, then you should probably not be buying anything Apple related to begin with, unless you are getting it free with carrier promotions or on the used market. Just my opinion though and Americans will continue to spend. Again we are not close to a recession or a depression. There is always debt.
So quote some numbers. What is the total consumer credit debt now, is it higher or lower. What is the default rate, is it higher or lower. Flex some of your industry knowledge. I would agree about spending American consumers are the most entitled victim mentality group. Whine all the time about pricing yet still buy like drunken sailors, while blaming everyone but themselves. A couple of national boycotts would fix a lot.
 
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As much as I'd love to run macOS on iPP hardware, what I really would prefer is OLED, Cellular and FaceID on MacBooks

(I guess TouchID is fine as is, but ... hey ... it's a wish list here!)
 
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Also, the nano-texture display is a major upgrade, even more than the tandem OLED. No one has mentioned it in this thread. I don't think the lack of macOS is the problem but rather the lack of good business apps. Many companies don't even have an iPad app while others are not very good. For example, I use the HubSpot iPad app only for notifications. HubSpot in Safari is otherwise better than the app. On a different note, it seems like Apple's ads lack reach. I'm in the target market but I have not seen any Apple ads online in ages.
Bro the Nano texture is a massive downgrade for media playing, I literally can't watch movies because of the muted colors on the ipad pro, that works great for working or reading e books, but the number of media I consume I luckily had the chance to compare both at the apple store and stuck with the regular shiny screen monitor IMHO.

Totally, TOTALLY disagree

OLED makes everything look better, with more color, "pop", contrast ratio, etc -- even lower quality streaming stuff
The perfect blacks alone make a massive difference especially when the aspect ratio of the content doesn't match that of the TV perfectly.

I just had this experience at a relatives house over the holidays ... they have a living room with a big 77"-ish "meh" Frame TV and a different sitting room with the 65" OLED... We spent all the time in the OLED room, despite the screen being smaller

It just looks better ... on the same mix of content ... even pretty low quality PlutoTV and Tubi, etc
You literally described the ipad pro in a nutshell, everything looks better on a smaller screen, which in that case moving around from ipad pro's, to ipad pros, everything starts to look the same. But I legit loved my LED ipad pro just the same as the OLED one because to be honest, not that many movies are in 4k HDR 10 or dolby vision meaning the majority of time it's HD and at rate OLED = LED to be honest. LIke you mentioned you need the right streaming service, movie hardware, tv and essentially the right movie to tell the difference, but since the majority of my time is watching youtube, i'm happy with the M4 ipad pros at the moment.

Screen aside the biggest selling point for me was the weight, the 2022 weighed around 7 lbs with the magical keyboard, the new one is 3.3 lbs with a better keyboard.
 
For a lot of people the only thing the pro offers over the air is faceid, and the price difference is too much for that.
 
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