I disagree. This has clearly to do with image data. When you disable the website images, the lag stops. That website has only a few dozens images, drawing them is very cheap. Its something with website setup which messes up the performance. I remember there was a bug in Chrome where the images would not fit into the cache and the browser had to decompress/resize the data for each displayed frames - performed on the CPU, this is a quite expensive operation. The current lag might be a similar problem. For some reason the images do not get uploaded to the GPU as fast as it could process it.
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I disagree. This has clearly to do with image data. When you disable the website images, the lag stops. That website has only a few dozens images, drawing them is very cheap. Its something with website setup which messes up the performance. I remember there was a bug in Chrome where the images would not fit into the cache and the browser had to decompress/resize the data for each displayed frames - performed on the CPU, this is a quite expensive operation. The current lag might be a similar problem. For some reason the images do not get uploaded to the GPU as fast as it could process it.
What.....?This is terrible! Your MBP certainly has more problems than just the lag.
I just tried it on my ATD and it is smooth. Like others, I think this is a software problem.
Its already fixed. I installed graphics tools for devs from developer.apple.com. My rmbp didnt like that. Did a clean install of mavericks and its back to normal.
But the scrolling glitch is not just on my rmbp. We tested it on about five of them. 13" and 15".
They all lag.
for anybody who doesn't believe in this scrolling problem:
open keynote - try scrolling the templates ...
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doesn't happen on external screens ...
doesn't happen on any other device ...
happened too with the 2012 rmbp (google long threads in apple discussions)
if its software y isn't apple fixing it?
I like the retina display a lot, but this is terrible quality control.
open keynote - try scrolling the templates ...
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doesn't happen on external screens ...
doesn't happen on any other device ...
happened too with the 2012 rmbp (google long threads in apple discussions)
if its software y isn't apple fixing it?
I like the retina display a lot, but this is terrible quality control.
Thats what I am saying - for some reason there seems to be a performance problem with some image views in the HiDPI mode. It is independent of the laptop model (I too have the 2012 one and can confirm lag in these isolated cases).
Your guess is as good as anyone's else.
What does it have with quality control? The hardware is fine. As for the software bug which causes the lag - there might be literally thousands reasons why they haven't fixed it yet. It would be nice to have some sort of public statement, but its not really what Apple is known for.
Using the RDM app I put my 13" late rMBP in its native 2560x1600 resolution and it is buttery smooth. In the scaled/best for retina modes it is somewhat choppy.
Im pretty sure it has to do with the way stuff has to be resampled for the non native resolution so its a software issue. Not sure if Apple can make it more efficient in the future but it would be nice.
Im positive all this lag stuff is because of this. using the rMBPs in native resolution or with native external monitors it seems to not happen. The few sites I did see lag in this case I could replicate it on latest iMac and top of the line windows machines.
Im pretty sure it has to do with the way stuff has to be resampled for the non native resolution so its a software issue. Not sure if Apple can make it more efficient in the future but it would be nice.
Im positive all this lag stuff is because of this. using the rMBPs in native resolution or with native external monitors it seems to not happen. The few sites I did see lag in this case I could replicate it on latest iMac and top of the line windows machines.
MS Word lags so bad with some documents that its unusable
How do you people do it? I am trying to work atm. opening .doc and chop ..chop ..chop
opened it in pages and still kinda choppy.
why is apple not fixing this. i am starting to get angry here.
is this something that would fall under warranty?
How do you people do it? I am trying to work atm. opening .doc and chop ..chop ..chop
opened it in pages and still kinda choppy.
why is apple not fixing this. i am starting to get angry here.
is this something that would fall under warranty?
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MS Word lags so bad with some documents that its unusable
How do you people do it? I am trying to work atm. opening .doc and chop ..chop ..chop
opened it in pages and still kinda choppy.
why is apple not fixing this. i am starting to get angry here.
is this something that would fall under warranty?
With Apple the fix is to buy the next model.
The last retina was even worse.
I've seen your issue a few times, not deal breaker , some sites are choppy most are fine.
Webpages are not such a big deal. But documents (.docs, .pages) are choppy.
That is becoming a deal breaker for me.
I can't work like this!!
Most of the retina optimised apps in Mavericks are the Apple's ones, don't know whether is Apple's fault not letting other developers take advantage of the OS optimization or third party app developers being lazy to optimize apps, for example: the snappier web browser so far is Safari, in the past it was Chrome, did Apple really optimize Mavericks or have they only optimized their own apps?, if they did optimized Mavericks the rest of the third party apps SHOULD scroll smoothly.
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MS Word lags so bad with some documents that its unusable
How do you people do it? I am trying to work atm. opening .doc and chop ..chop ..chop
opened it in pages and still kinda choppy.
why is apple not fixing this. i am starting to get angry here.
is this something that would fall under warranty?
Why should Apple fix Microsoft's software?
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I don't see any lag in Pages or TextMate.
Why should Apple fix Microsoft's software?
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I don't see any lag in Pages or TextMate.
I don't complain about them not optimizing MS software.
Open keynotes. try to scroll templates. They lag. Don't tell me they don't.
Pages glitches on imported .doc files.
oh god this is all scaring me from upgrade..i wish google would release a powerful laptop with its own OS and more offline capability, I love my old macbook, but paying close to two grands for a new one and these problems, which seem (and I say seem) to be sort of ignored by apple...why should i do that...and they are software related probably as u guys say
The mba runs perfectly fine.
The retina screen on the rmbp is very nice, too.
The (isolated) lag is ridiculous though.
I would never buy a google laptop.
Yes they did optimze their own apps, because when ML was out the scrolling lag was even worse on their own apps, now with Mavericks most of the scrolling lag seems to be gone away, but upon Mavericks upgrade some third party apps still have GUI lags, that's why I suspect Apple didn't optimize Mavericks but only their own apps.
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The resolution is always 2560x1600 on the 13 rMBP its just in the best for retina and scaled resolutions all the apps are scaled so everything is not so tiny.
I'm thinking of buying my first rmbp, but this is scaring me off. Is this really a huge problem and a potential delbreaker? If so, why aren't more people complaining and angry? I need to be able to read web pages without issues on a decent screen. What other options are there on the market that don't have this issue and have a high Rez 15 inch screen, or is this problem exaggerated and isn't a major issue in real everyday usage?
i have this lag too on my rmbp 15" late 2013
on safari and chrome with adblock who dont even do the job lol.
someone fixed it?
on safari and chrome with adblock who dont even do the job lol.
someone fixed it?
Its a pretty much a consensus it has something to do with the scaling for some apps. People with top of the line 15s also report it. It seems normal when running in the native resolution or using an external monitor. Ive been using my 13 rMBP for a month now it it is not a problem for me at all. The computer is still blazingly fast you just may see some light stutter or lag in the UI in some apps etc.
You have 14 days so try it.
You have 14 days so try it.
there is no consensus on this. ill post discussions later here.
i bought from a retailer and i am over 14 days, too.
i didn't notice the lag until now.
I am running in "best retina".
There is noticeable lag with native
apps. (pages, keynote)I am sitting here trying to write a paper under word and its making my life hard.
MS Word is almost unusable.
I would write it in pages but: how do i type fractions in pages '13 ?
i can't expect apple to optimize for word, but this is ridiculos.
So you had no lag until just now?
You used Word before and it didn't lag before?
You used Word before and it didn't lag before?
there is no consensus on this. ill post discussions later here.
i bought from a retailer and i am over 14 days, too.
i didn't notice the lag until now.
I am running in "best retina".
There is noticeable lag with native
I am sitting here trying to write a paper under word and its making my life hard.
MS Word is almost unusable.
I would write it in pages but: how do i type fractions in pages '13 ?
i can't expect apple to optimize for word, but this is ridiculos.
Oh thought we were talking about the 15"
there is no consensus on this. ill post discussions later here.
i bought from a retailer and i am over 14 days, too.
i didn't notice the lag until now.
I am running in "best retina".
There is noticeable lag with native
I am sitting here trying to write a paper under word and its making my life hard.
MS Word is almost unusable.
I would write it in pages but: how do i type fractions in pages '13 ?
i can't expect apple to optimize for word, but this is ridiculos.
It's definitely a consensus if you look at other threads. I've read many many threads like this, and at least the majority of people report lag, regardless of which spec (or model [13, 15]) rMBP they have, and also across all retina resolution options. It is very poorly optimized, and you're best sticking to apple apps which are optimized slightly better. Some apps are just awful though, and it just really really sucks. Most people say it's not a big deal, and that "we're" too picky, but to be perfectly honest (all annoyance aside), it's pretty bad.
I just downloaded a couple of bible word docs that are several hundred pages and I don't really see much of an issue. Yes it could be smoother to make it more pleasant to look at when scrolling but its not bad and definitely doesn't hinder my ability to do work.
Its certainly not a deal breaker for me at all. Im pretty picky and OCD about a lot of stuff but its just not that bad for me.
I also installed the autocad demo and ran it. I read from other threads that after doing this once the lag was much less. I have no idea what it does or if its even true.
Its certainly not a deal breaker for me at all. Im pretty picky and OCD about a lot of stuff but its just not that bad for me.
I also installed the autocad demo and ran it. I read from other threads that after doing this once the lag was much less. I have no idea what it does or if its even true.