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I think I did respond point by point…. Being popular isn’t a qualification or an indication of qualification, and not a reason to take someones advice. If you follow it back, that's been my point.

On the separate topic of what I think of the MKBHD review, I've remarked on specific points. Foremost among them is that Brownlee is making a personal, subjective, value judgement. Can I get a lower spec'd, more poorly built, less well integrated display for less money? Yes. That's not new, he's repeating the same arguments half the internet is repeating without adding anything new. Can I get a higher quality, higher performance display with all the features he and others say it should have for the same or less money? He didn't show one, neither has anyone else.

On the minor details, I already mentioned that he neglected to mention the (lack of) brightness of the Dell display and mentioned a different positive detail when that negative line item filled in. He claimed it was the same panel as an earlier display without supporting that claim. He describes it as almost a $2000 display, when it isn't (unless adding options). He tries to compare it to a Rolls Royce, when it's not-- premium, yes, Rolls, no.

His overview of the feature set was subjective but well done. There's no objective data presented, but that's not his thing. The production value and his presentation style are fantastic, and what makes his reviews pleasant to watch.

I choose to ignore his personal estimate of what is a good or bad buy.

Being popular isn't an indication of qualification. But sometimes it is. You have to use your own judgement for each person. I'm sure he sees way more screen technology come across his desk than I'll probably see in a lifetime. If you've come to a judgement MKBHD isn't qualified, fine.

I agree with him, it seems like a bad deal unless you want a very specific set of things (there are no real comparible exact specs, so it's like a Rolls Royce Ghost or something in a category in its own). The fact you can get a 4.5K iMac $300 cheaper and it comes with a computer inside says a lot. Granted MKBHD doesn't get granular and compare specs with everything on the market, he summarises stuff, but it was enough to illustrate the point, which is what most people want in a short review.

His personal subjective estimate and judgement is what a review is ultimately.
 
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Here are my observations. I figured I would share - I'm guessing there are quite a few 4k 32" people wondering if this is an upgrade or downgrade....

  1. My desk is now much cleaner, got rid of speakers and the smaller monitor foot print frees up a lot of space.
  2. monitor looks WAY WAY Brighter than my dell U3219Q, changing the experience quite a bit.
    1. as bright as my iPad Pro 12.9" (at default indoor brightness levels), which was a huge relief
  3. monitor is much sharper, obviously.
  4. The experience feels like you just got a new Mac, even though it's plugged into my m1 Mac mini.
  5. Sounds is great.
  6. Video is worse than my Logitech 1080p camera, sadly.
  7. I feel more drawn to use this than my Dell.
  8. UPDATE - Its works awesome for 5K Gaming with RTX 2080! The usb-c cable perfectly recognized all the hardware (screen and audio) and I was able to play 60 fps 5k gaming for the first time.

I picked it up for fun, assuming I might return it (I have 45 days with Best Buy). Right now I am wondering if I will ever be able to go back to the Dell U3219Q with low PPI 4k 32"....lol. Now I need to see if I can get it to play games with my windows desktop with a RTX 2080. - works perfectly.
Thanks for sharing this initial review.

Do you notice any amount of slow down or less snappiness of the M1 Mac mini driving the ASD? A YouTube review video comparing M1 Mac mini to Mac Studio says he noticed the M1 Mac mini working hard to drive the new 5k display and experiences less snappiness or some type of slow down. Do you notice any difference? Thanks!!
 
Here are my observations. I figured I would share - I'm guessing there are quite a few 4k 32" people wondering if this is an upgrade or downgrade....

  1. My desk is now much cleaner, got rid of speakers and the smaller monitor foot print frees up a lot of space.
  2. monitor looks WAY WAY Brighter than my dell U3219Q, changing the experience quite a bit.
    1. as bright as my iPad Pro 12.9" (at default indoor brightness levels), which was a huge relief
  3. monitor is much sharper, obviously.
  4. The experience feels like you just got a new Mac, even though it's plugged into my m1 Mac mini.
  5. Sounds is great.
  6. Video is worse than my Logitech 1080p camera, sadly.
  7. I feel more drawn to use this than my Dell.
  8. UPDATE - Its works awesome for 5K Gaming with RTX 2080! The usb-c cable perfectly recognized all the hardware (screen and audio) and I was able to play 60 fps 5k gaming for the first time.

I picked it up for fun, assuming I might return it (I have 45 days with Best Buy). Right now I am wondering if I will ever be able to go back to the Dell U3219Q with low PPI 4k 32"....lol. Now I need to see if I can get it to play games with my windows desktop with a RTX 2080. - works perfectly.
Hi, thanks, what is your connection setup of the RTX 2080 to the studio display? Which port of the RTX 2080 and what cable to you use to the Thunderbolt 4 port of the studio display?
thanks
 
Thanks for sharing this initial review.

Do you notice any amount of slow down or less snappiness of the M1 Mac mini driving the ASD? A YouTube review video comparing M1 Mac mini to Mac Studio says he noticed the M1 Mac mini working hard to drive the new 5k display and experiences less snappiness or some type of slow down. Do you notice any difference? Thanks!!
my M1 16GB mini has ZERO SLOW DOWNS. did not see a difference between the mini and my m1 max 16" plugged in, either. don't worry at all about it
 
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Hi, thanks, what is your connection setup of the RTX 2080 to the studio display? Which port of the RTX 2080 and what cable to you use to the Thunderbolt 4 port of the studio display?
thanks
I am using the USB-C port on the RTX 2080. Regarding the cable, I am using a USB-C power / data cable that I picked up on Amazon. So far 2/2 cables I tested work perfectly and it detects it in 5k 60hz. I did have to unplug and then replug after loading windows for the first time, after that - works good. It feels like I am gaming 5k on a Mac due to the ASD form factor.
 
Being popular isn't an indication of qualification. But sometimes it is.
It’s not, but it is? Anyway, you have cause and effect completely backwards.

It’s like saying someone should be quarterback because they’re dating the prettiest girl in school. Just because that happens sometimes doesn’t mean the causality is reversible.

“Why are they popular?” “Because people have found they’re a reliable source.”
vs.
”Why should I trust them?” “Because they’re popular.”

I'm sure he sees way more screen technology come across his desk than I'll probably see in a lifetime. If you've come to a judgement MKBHD isn't qualified, fine.
See? That’s a true qualification. There is a way to express his qualifications without resorting to the transitive property.

And, again, I’m not saying he’s not qualified, I’m saying he’s not persuasive and his review is well presented but not what I would consider a good review.

Unfortunately, he didn’t utilize the experience you’re granting him in his review. He gave marketing screenshots of two other displays and read down their spec sheets. Incompletely, and sloppily. So either he doesn’t understand what specs are important, or that detail stood in the way of his message.

The Dell, for example, he didn’t compare based on his extensive experience— he just said “it’s well reviewed”, as in by others. The fact he even threw that display into the review is absurd. It‘s lower resolution, lower brightness, lower color accuracy, plastic. It’s a budget display, not a comparable to the Studio Display.

He concludes that if what you want is this panel, there are a lot of other monitors “just like” the SD “for way less money”— but he never showed us a single one.

there are no real comparible exact specs, so it's like a Rolls Royce Ghost or something in a category in its own
There are also no cars with directly comparable specs to a high trim Camery, so why not use that as a reference? The Studio Display is a mass produced product with nicer features costing a few hundred dollars more than the Apple/LG display. The high trim Camery seems a better analogy— no other car has that exact set of features, maybe the enhancements are worth it to you, maybe they aren’t, but the difference in cost is a fraction of the lower trim version. As it is with the SD and LG display.

Granted MKBHD doesn't get granular and compare specs with everything on the market, he summarises stuff, but it was enough to illustrate the point, which is what most people want in a short review.

His personal subjective estimate and judgement is what a review is ultimately.
I can’t speak for what most people want. Maybe you’re right. Maybe they want someone to just tell them what to think so they don’t have to do that for themselves. What I would hope most people want though is not just to be told an opinion that they can take as their own but to have that opinion well supported by fact and experience. I don’t see any of Brownlee’s experience being brought to bear here, or anything more than cursory, strawman comparisons.
 
It’s not, but it is? Anyway, you have cause and effect completely backwards.

It’s like saying someone should be quarterback because they’re dating the prettiest girl in school. Just because that happens sometimes doesn’t mean the causality is reversible.

“Why are they popular?” “Because people have found they’re a reliable source.”
vs.
”Why should I trust them?” “Because they’re popular.”


See? That’s a true qualification. There is a way to express his qualifications without resorting to the transitive property.

And, again, I’m not saying he’s not qualified, I’m saying he’s not persuasive and his review is well presented but not what I would consider a good review.

Unfortunately, he didn’t utilize the experience you’re granting him in his review. He gave marketing screenshots of two other displays and read down their spec sheets. Incompletely, and sloppily. So either he doesn’t understand what specs are important, or that detail stood in the way of his message.

The Dell, for example, he didn’t compare based on his extensive experience— he just said “it’s well reviewed”, as in by others. The fact he even threw that display into the review is absurd. It‘s lower resolution, lower brightness, lower color accuracy, plastic. It’s a budget display, not a comparable to the Studio Display.

He concludes that if what you want is this panel, there are a lot of other monitors “just like” the SD “for way less money”— but he never showed us a single one.


There are also no cars with directly comparable specs to a high trim Camery, so why not use that as a reference? The Studio Display is a mass produced product with nicer features costing a few hundred dollars more than the Apple/LG display. The high trim Camery seems a better analogy— no other car has that exact set of features, maybe the enhancements are worth it to you, maybe they aren’t, but the difference in cost is a fraction of the lower trim version. As it is with the SD and LG display.


I can’t speak for what most people want. Maybe you’re right. Maybe they want someone to just tell them what to think so they don’t have to do that for themselves. What I would hope most people want though is not just to be told an opinion that they can take as their own but to have that opinion well supported by fact and experience. I don’t see any of Brownlee’s experience being brought to bear here, or anything more than cursory, strawman comparisons.
Agreed. He spent too much time comparing the ASD to 4K monitors. If his point was that 4K monitors are “good enough” for most Mac users he should have said so and left it at that.

But anyone considering the ASD has already concluded that a 5K monitor is worth the premium to a 4K monitor. The only alternative is the LG UltraFine 5K, which is $1,300 in its sole configuration vs $1,600-2,300 for the ASD depending on stand and display glass options.

I think the Toyota Camry/Lexus ES350 comparison is quite apt here. Both the LG and ASD deliver a Retina display experience with TrueTone and P3 color gamut. Both have adequate speakers and webcams for everyday usage. The LG is $300 cheaper and includes both a height adjustable stand and a VESA mount. The ASD has a more sturdy construction with no wobble, a glass front, faster ports, arguably a more pleasant aesthetic, and has an optional nano-texture glass front, along with superior speakers and microphone, and potentially a better webcam. Are those worth an extra $300-$1,000? Is a Lexus ES 350 “worth” the extra $3,000-7,000 more than the Camry? Both depend on your priorities and budget.
 
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I am using the USB-C port on the RTX 2080. Regarding the cable, I am using a USB-C power / data cable that I picked up on Amazon. So far 2/2 cables I tested work perfectly and it detects it in 5k 60hz. I did have to unplug and then replug after loading windows for the first time, after that - works good. It feels like I am gaming 5k on a Mac due to the ASD form factor.
Thanks!
 
It’s not, but it is? Anyway, you have cause and effect completely backwards.

It’s like saying someone should be quarterback because they’re dating the prettiest girl in school. Just because that happens sometimes doesn’t mean the causality is reversible.

“Why are they popular?” “Because people have found they’re a reliable source.”
vs.
”Why should I trust them?” “Because they’re popular.”


See? That’s a true qualification. There is a way to express his qualifications without resorting to the transitive property.

And, again, I’m not saying he’s not qualified, I’m saying he’s not persuasive and his review is well presented but not what I would consider a good review.

Unfortunately, he didn’t utilize the experience you’re granting him in his review. He gave marketing screenshots of two other displays and read down their spec sheets. Incompletely, and sloppily. So either he doesn’t understand what specs are important, or that detail stood in the way of his message.

The Dell, for example, he didn’t compare based on his extensive experience— he just said “it’s well reviewed”, as in by others. The fact he even threw that display into the review is absurd. It‘s lower resolution, lower brightness, lower color accuracy, plastic. It’s a budget display, not a comparable to the Studio Display.

He concludes that if what you want is this panel, there are a lot of other monitors “just like” the SD “for way less money”— but he never showed us a single one.


There are also no cars with directly comparable specs to a high trim Camery, so why not use that as a reference? The Studio Display is a mass produced product with nicer features costing a few hundred dollars more than the Apple/LG display. The high trim Camery seems a better analogy— no other car has that exact set of features, maybe the enhancements are worth it to you, maybe they aren’t, but the difference in cost is a fraction of the lower trim version. As it is with the SD and LG display.


I can’t speak for what most people want. Maybe you’re right. Maybe they want someone to just tell them what to think so they don’t have to do that for themselves. What I would hope most people want though is not just to be told an opinion that they can take as their own but to have that opinion well supported by fact and experience. I don’t see any of Brownlee’s experience being brought to bear here, or anything more than cursory, strawman comparisons.
Jeez louise. OK, this is getting granular. I meant popularity isn't "necessarily" an indication of qualification. But sometimes it is. Sometimes people earn their popularity through their proficiency. Your argument seems to be Einstein shouldn't be taken seriously because he is popular.

He's giving a review that speaks to a lot of people in terms what they're looking for and what they think about when making a tech purchase (a big point being price). Looking at the specs a lot of people care about and giving a quick general sense of that it relates to with other monitors out there. It's a 10 min review, that's what I want in a review. I found it insightful, obviously you didn't. That's fine. But I don't think the fact that he is famous (especially when he's famous from being a reviewer) plays much of a role in the discussion.
 
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OK, this is getting granular.
Could that be because you requested that?:

I think your argument would be more convincing if you actually responded point by point to the things you take issue with
You can’t insist that someone go through something point by point and then complain it’s granular…. Especially when the review wasn’t what I was talking about in the first place, what I was talking about was this:

But I don't think the fact that he is famous (especially when he's famous from being a reviewer) plays much of a role in the discussion.
I absolutely agree. This has been my point from the beginning, but you keep arguing against it and for it at the same time:

But sometimes it is.
Not sure if that’s because you really don’t understand that point, or what..,

It’s worth tracing the conversation back.
Your argument seems to be Einstein shouldn't be taken seriously because he is popular.
Correct. Science and scientists shouldn’t be judged by their popularity. They should be judged by the importance of their insights, whether their analysis holds up under expert review, and whether their predictions hold true in future experiments. There are plenty of popular people peddling bad science (that should be really, really obvious these days). There have been plenty of deeply unpopular scientists who should be taken seriously.

He's giving a review that speaks to a lot of people in terms what they're looking for and what they think about when making a tech purchase (a big point being price). Looking at the specs a lot of people care about and giving a quick general sense of that it relates to with other monitors out there. It's a 10 min review, that's what I want in a review. I found it insightful, obviously you didn't. That's fine.
Is he giving a review that speaks to a lot of people, or is he saying what a lot of people want to believe back to them? I didn’t find it insightful because I didn’t find any insights— beyond the weird references to sports statistics and RR sedans, nothing he said was new. 12 minutes of talking is a lot of time. He missed an opportunity to inform and give nuance.
 
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Could that be because you requested that?:


You can’t insist that someone go through something point by point and then complain it’s granular…. Especially when the review wasn’t what I was talking about in the first place, what I was talking about was this:


I absolutely agree. This has been my point from the beginning, but you keep arguing against it and for it at the same time:


Not sure if that’s because you really don’t understand that point, or what..,

It’s worth tracing the conversation back.

Correct. Science and scientists shouldn’t be judged by their popularity. They should be judged by the importance of their insights, whether their analysis holds up under expert review, and whether their predictions hold true in future experiments. There are plenty of popular people peddling bad science (that should be really, really obvious these days). There have been plenty of deeply unpopular scientists who should be taken seriously.


Is he giving a review that speaks to a lot of people, or is he saying what a lot of people want to believe back to them? I didn’t find it insightful because I didn’t find any insights— beyond the weird references to sports statistics and RR sedans, nothing he said was new. 12 minutes of talking is a lot of time. He missed an opportunity to inform and give nuance.
What the heck? I said granular about what you take issue with in the review not in nit-picking my wording.

The guy made a review, he gets a lot of views, that doesn't mean he isn't qualified to make a good review. You don't think what he said was relevant, a lot of people do. That's fine, you can find a reviewer you think is more relevant.
 
Being popular isn't an indication of qualification. But sometimes it is. You have to use your own judgement for each person. I'm sure he sees way more screen technology come across his desk than I'll probably see in a lifetime. If you've come to a judgement MKBHD isn't qualified, fine.

I agree with him, it seems like a bad deal unless you want a very specific set of things (there are no real comparible exact specs, so it's like a Rolls Royce Ghost or something in a category in its own). The fact you can get a 4.5K iMac $300 cheaper and it comes with a computer inside says a lot. Granted MKBHD doesn't get granular and compare specs with everything on the market, he summarises stuff, but it was enough to illustrate the point, which is what most people want in a short review.

His personal subjective estimate and judgement is what a review is ultimately.
iMac is good when new but when the computer part inevitably gets old a few years down the road, since there isn’t any target display mode / video input, you are left with a perfectly fine high PPI monitor with a computer that you don’t want to use. Just like my 2017 iMac. It’s way slower than my 2021 MBP or even the M1 MacBook Air. It then brings you the headache:
- should I keep using this iMac for few more years?
- Or should I sell the iMac at a big loss because I want to upgrade the computer, even though the monitor is perfectly fine for my needs?
- Oh and now I have got the latest and greatest MBP, how about using it with my beautiful 24 inch or 27 inch high PPI iMac screen? Nope, we can’t.

That’s why the 27-inch iMac is such a good deal. It’s both a really good deal and a real headache few years later.

so here it comes! An iMac without the Mac (with a brighter panel)! Of course, Apple being Apple and they just priced it a bit more expensive than we wished.
 
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iMac is good when new but when the computer part inevitably gets old a few years down the road, since there isn’t any target display mode / video input, you are left with a perfectly fine high PPI monitor with a computer that you don’t want to use. Just like my 2017 iMac. It’s way slower than my 2021 MBP or even the M1 MacBook Air. It then brings you the headache:
- should I keep using this iMac for few more years?
- Or should I sell the iMac at a big loss because I want to upgrade the computer, even though the monitor is perfectly fine for my needs?
- Oh and now I have got the latest and greatest MBP, how about using it with my beautiful 24 inch or 27 inch high PPI iMac screen? Nope, we can’t.

That’s why the 27-inch iMac is such a good deal. It’s both a really good deal and a real headache few years later.

so here it comes! An iMac without the Mac (with a brighter panel)! Of course, Apple being Apple and they just priced it a bit more expensive than we wished.
Yeah agreed. I used to use a 2009 iMac for an external screen for a while and loved it. In software updates to newer iMacs Apple crippled the target display mode feature, probably because they want more customers to buy their screens. I mean, they became a trillion dollar company by accident.

I wish there was a feature over and above the old LG Ultrafine like a high refresh rate that made it more compelling. 6 years after the LG 5K monitor comes out, all they seem to have done is package it in a prettier design and add some brightness.
 
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he gets a lot of views, that doesn't mean he isn't qualified to make a good review.
I think you’ve been arguing so long you’ve forgotten why, or you just don’t grasp basic concepts of logic. Nobody ever said being popular means someone isn’t qualified. The point has been that being popular doesn’t mean someone is. No one said Brownlee isn’t qualified, only that being popular isn’t a qualification. Not even sometimes. Seriously, follow the conversation back and look at what is being said and in response to what.
 
Interesting - the fan inside the ASD seems to be constantly running. I can feel the warm air coming out from above.
 
I think you’ve been arguing so long you’ve forgotten why, or you just don’t grasp basic concepts of logic. Nobody ever said being popular means someone isn’t qualified. The point has been that being popular doesn’t mean someone is. No one said Brownlee isn’t qualified, only that being popular isn’t a qualification. Not even sometimes. Seriously, follow the conversation back and look at what is being said and in response to what.
You questioned whether the fact that he was "rich and famous" should mean he was qualified. But it's more like he's rich and famous from being qualified doing these reviews.
 
Anyone dismissing MKBHD is honestly on the wrong side here.

He does great reviews and is always discussing pros/cons and mentioning many angles..

Crucially - he's never carrying water for the companies (Ala the Grubers and Ritchies and iJustines of the world)
 
Define luxury when compared to a monitor? Its a bad deal no matter how you look at it. Even if the apple monitor was sprinkled with gold dust.

For $300 more than the LG 5K retail price, you get: Apple build quality, Apple support, aluminum and glass design, 10Gbs USB-C ports (I believe LG is 5Gbs), good to very good speakers, decent mic. This is worth the price difference for many people. Hopefully webcam quality will be fixed soon.
 
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You questioned whether the fact that he was "rich and famous" should mean he was qualified. But it's more like he's rich and famous from being qualified doing these reviews.
No. Seriously, read the thread: Someone else asked how he's qualified to review these products and the answer came back that he has lots of views and can afford a studio in New Jersey. I pointed out that that wasn't a qualification, and you've been arguing with me ever since.

To quote someone familiar with the discussion:
I don't think the fact that he is famous (especially when he's famous from being a reviewer) plays much of a role in the discussion.
I agree. Whatever the reason for his fame, it does not answer the question of what his qualifications are. Not even sometimes, or maybe.

The fact that so many people think otherwise is the reason we wind up with "I'm not a doctor but I play one on TV" commercials:
 
My takeaway from reading this thread is that the Studio Display is a very good monitor but not a good deal.

The operative word being ‘deal’. Had it been priced $300-400 less, it might be.

But if don’t care about ‘value’ and can afford it, it may be just right for you.
 
My takeaway from reading this thread is that the Studio Display is a very good monitor but not a good deal.

The operative word being ‘deal’. Had it been priced $300-400 less, it might be.

But if don’t care about ‘value’ and can afford it, it may be just right for you.
Yup
 
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The operative word being ‘deal’. Had it been priced $300-400 less, it might be.

My only real major gripe is that the height adjustable stand isn’t default or at least optional for no extra cost.

The lack of height adjustability on Apple displays has been somewhat forgivable in the past when they’ve picked a middle ground.

With this monitor they made it lower than ever before and for more and more people that means the adjustable height option becomes almost necessary, unless you have a multi level desk or you have some other way to prop the thing up.

It just feels like a money grab.
There’s no reason their height adjustable solution had to be so bloody expensive
 
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