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went from Dell 4k 32" to ASD 5k 27"...my initial impressions
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He's YouTube's top tech reviewer. The senior VP of google called him "the best technology reviewer on the planet right now"
I like that my Dell is height adjustable (I have a standing desk, so it's useful to change that with my seating/standing position) and has a lot of useful ports. A newer model I'm considering has even more ports.
When I see that I have to pay extra for Apple's display if I want to adjust the height, and it comes with just a few of the same ports and zero legacy ones … I just don't see it being worth $2,000 for me. That's almost what I paid for my MBP14.
I also don't need the speakers or the webcam at all. I wish there was a model without them.
The only two actual advantages of the ASD are the higher resolution (meh) and the higher brightness. Of these two the brightness would be great.
Sure, Aluminum. Uhm. Great. But, yeah, the Dell costs half as much.
When I see that I have to pay extra for Apple's display if I want to adjust the height, and it comes with just a few of the same ports and zero legacy ones … I just don't see it being worth $2,000 for me. That's almost what I paid for my MBP14.
I also don't need the speakers or the webcam at all. I wish there was a model without them.
The only two actual advantages of the ASD are the higher resolution (meh) and the higher brightness. Of these two the brightness would be great.
Sure, Aluminum. Uhm. Great. But, yeah, the Dell costs half as much.
I am my own influencer. Everyone has an opinion, just some decide to publish it one way or another. I don't care to take the opinion of a stranger, and in a lot of cases a person that lacks any credentials, as gospel. Not saying Marquis doesn't know what he is doing, but like iJustine, I'll pass. But I have gray hair so.....
Loaded question, as you know. The answer is none. Dell had a 5K 27 incher many years ago, but it didn’t last long before it was killed. Look, these are $1500
Monitors and for a certain subset of fans, it’s well worth it. I’m one of those people, by the way. It’s not a great value, no. But who buys Apple gear because it’s a great bargain?
It's a bad deal for YOUR needs (and of many others of course). Check out the MB video where he praises the build quality over cheap plastic monitors. It doesn't matter you might say. Well to lots of others it does.
Jealous! I was admiring the Asus's specs, but couldn't find one available anywhere. Where did you get yours?
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Mebbe try "His qualifications made him rich and famous"? I'm not aware he had rich parents or married a kardashian before this point...
ASD got some folks bent out of shape, its funny to read. Anyway, I am still digging mine, its been easier on the eyes compared to my previous Samsung 34 inch Curved which was nice just not sharp enough. Nice impressions OP.
I’m not aware he hasn’t, but that seems largely irrelevant as well. So far when asked “why should we listen to some guy on YouTube” the answer has been he’s popular and some Google VP name dropped him. So he’s famous.Mebbe try "His qualifications made him rich and famous"? I'm not aware he had rich parents or married a kardashian before this point...
He’s been called an influencer, which is just Internet for “rich for being famous”.
And I guess he’s so rich he can afford a studio in New Jersey, which is presumably why he wants a Mac Studio and Studio Display.
None of that explains why I would weight his opinion over @erkanasu’s.
"Senior VP of Google"
I'm assuming you mean AT google, but..
Anyway, being "the best reviewer" depends on perspective.
He's definitely the most useful, as his reach is the broadest, but reviewing is always subjective, so different people may have a different opinion of what reviewer is the best depending on how their subjectivity lines up with said reviewer.
Anyway, the monitor isn't for everybody, but it certainly is for some people.
Nobody can argue that it's a bad product.
Value is subjective.
I opted for the VESA model as my desk is already VESA configured.
So for $0 extra I get all the adjustability I want, including landscape->portrait (which I probably will try just once, then return to landscape, because speakers+webcam arrangement)
VESA arms aren't more expensive than $100, so I don't understand who they're targeting with that $400 height adjustable stand.
I mean he's at the top of his field for reviewing tech. I presume you're talking about being qualified. I guess it's not always necessarily a given that you're qualified and the most popular in your field, but it says something.
I watched it and didn't think he said it was a bad product, he just says it's a "bad deal". Which I totally agree with.
Yeah, he literally got famous from doing good tech reviews
Because MKBHD does a lot of pro video work (and has for years - it's what got him into this) and he reviews a lot of tech from that standpoint. He's also got a rep as a pretty straight shooter, reviewing both Apple and Android stuff with a pretty neutral viewpoint of how it works for what he does.
His opinion has a lot of weight for people who are into what he does (video work, mostly) and he's especially good on things that affect that - camera quality on iPhones (he did a great video summary of what's really behind all the Shot On iPhone stuff), how various computers work for high end video work, etc.
If you're not into that, he's still interesting but less on point. For example, if someone does scientific computing, his take isn't going to be particularly interesting. But for general folks and especially people interested in digital video, he's one of the best out there.
I'm located in the U.S. and I got mine at Amazon... still shows stock available - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09D7JCT5Y/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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So the Dr. Oz of tech?
Look, I like the MKBHD format-- he's much more structured and enjoyable to watch than the hyper active, "oh my god, guys", everything is shocking and extreme videos that others produce. Seems like someone I'd actually enjoy sitting down and talking to compared to a lot of these other doofuses I see hawking their opinions for cash. In the end though, he's just a guy with an opinion. No quantitative data, no direct comparisons, apparent biases in how he presents things (notice he didn't mention the brightness of the Dell display, but inserted it into the graphic with a ding when mentioning ports?). He's also a guy making money from engagement, so the more people he gets linking his videos into conversations like these the better he does.
My point though is that being popular, or successful, is not a qualification. It's not even an indication of qualification. Matt Damon is apparently shilling for crypto now, but that doesn't give his opinion any weight.
Brownlee was cited in the very first response to this thread, and all of the defense of why that was even relevant has been that he's popular which is just adolescent logic. His opinion in the case carries less weight than the OPs and reviews like theirs for me, because while Brownlee is trying to apply a value to the product (is it a deal?), what I'm interested in is a desription of the experience of the product so I can apply my own value judgement.
Of course, other people are welcome to substitute Brownlee's estimation of value for their own if they'd like. His opinion only gets one vote though, so everyone else referencing it doesn't give it any more weight, and is just detritus in the thread.
And it is possible to explain why someone should be listened to, without falling back on "because everyone else does, including this one guy from Google, and he's made a ton of money from it". For example:
The Beyoncé of YouTube tech reviewing ?. What does it matter?
I think your argument would be more convincing if you actually responded point by point to the things you take issue with in the review rather than dismissing the whole thing based on who he is. Content over form.
Can you, or Marquis, suggest a 5k resolution monitor that is a good buy?
Update - this thing is plug and play ready for windows 11 on my RTX 2080 machine. The usb-c cable perfectly recognized all the hardware (screen and audio) and I was able to play 60 fps 5k gaming for the first time ever.
I think I did respond point by point…. Being popular isn’t a qualification or an indication of qualification, and not a reason to take someones advice. If you follow it back, that's been my point.
On the separate topic of what I think of the MKBHD review, I've remarked on specific points. Foremost among them is that Brownlee is making a personal, subjective, value judgement. Can I get a lower spec'd, more poorly built, less well integrated display for less money? Yes. That's not new, he's repeating the same arguments half the internet is repeating without adding anything new. Can I get a higher quality, higher performance display with all the features he and others say it should have for the same or less money? He didn't show one, neither has anyone else.
On the minor details, I already mentioned that he neglected to mention the (lack of) brightness of the Dell display and mentioned a different positive detail when that negative line item filled in. He claimed it was the same panel as an earlier display without supporting that claim. He describes it as almost a $2000 display, when it isn't (unless adding options). He tries to compare it to a Rolls Royce, when it's not-- premium, yes, Rolls, no.
His overview of the feature set was subjective but well done. There's no objective data presented, but that's not his thing. The production value and his presentation style are fantastic, and what makes his reviews pleasant to watch.
I choose to ignore his personal estimate of what is a good or bad buy.
I think this whole conversation is actually two different conversations being carried on in parallel. One conversation is being conducted by people for whom things like resolution and build quality are more important than the ability to display HDR content. The other conversation is by people for whom things like HDR content and 120Hz are dealbreakers, and consider that, for them, ‘4K is enough’.
If you think 4K at 27” is enough, of course this monitor isn’t for you. It’s probably disappointing for you if what you want is a high refresh rate 27” HDR 4K non-plastic monitor with Apple’s build quality and design. Because that monitor doesn’t exist. If it did exist it would make some sense to compare Apple’s price to the competition.
But by the same token, the only other 5K 60Hz 27” monitor that (still) exists is the LG Ultrafine, which is admittedly $300 less but has (reportedly) poor quality control and a (reportedly) fragile and wobbly plastic case, and 100 nits lower brightness.
It’s a bit like the pricing of the Mac Studio. $2,000 base price is quite expensive for most people. But most people would be happy with an M1 Mac Mini, which is very well-priced for its performance, unless they have particular needs. If you think the Mac Studio is expensive, it’s a good chance that you don’t need a Mac Studio. By the same token, if you think the ASD is overpriced, you probably don’t need anything more than 4K, or you’re probably happy with a plastic case, and you’re not the target market.
If you want apple build quality and HDR, unfortunately (for now) you’re only options are the XDR, or the new MacBooks Pro. Maybe apple will create a 27” Pro Display with ProMotion and HDR. But it’ll almost certainly be 5K, and it will cost a lot more than $1,600. If you need HDR or 120Hz but don’t want 5K, I’m sorry to inform you but that display still will not be for you, and there are lots of 4K displays that will meet your needs. At that stage nobody will gain anything from trying to convince anonymous randoms on the internet who *do* want 5K (or don’t care but are willing to pay for Apple’s aluminium case) that they have made the wrong decision.
If you think 4K at 27” is enough, of course this monitor isn’t for you. It’s probably disappointing for you if what you want is a high refresh rate 27” HDR 4K non-plastic monitor with Apple’s build quality and design. Because that monitor doesn’t exist. If it did exist it would make some sense to compare Apple’s price to the competition.
But by the same token, the only other 5K 60Hz 27” monitor that (still) exists is the LG Ultrafine, which is admittedly $300 less but has (reportedly) poor quality control and a (reportedly) fragile and wobbly plastic case, and 100 nits lower brightness.
It’s a bit like the pricing of the Mac Studio. $2,000 base price is quite expensive for most people. But most people would be happy with an M1 Mac Mini, which is very well-priced for its performance, unless they have particular needs. If you think the Mac Studio is expensive, it’s a good chance that you don’t need a Mac Studio. By the same token, if you think the ASD is overpriced, you probably don’t need anything more than 4K, or you’re probably happy with a plastic case, and you’re not the target market.
If you want apple build quality and HDR, unfortunately (for now) you’re only options are the XDR, or the new MacBooks Pro. Maybe apple will create a 27” Pro Display with ProMotion and HDR. But it’ll almost certainly be 5K, and it will cost a lot more than $1,600. If you need HDR or 120Hz but don’t want 5K, I’m sorry to inform you but that display still will not be for you, and there are lots of 4K displays that will meet your needs. At that stage nobody will gain anything from trying to convince anonymous randoms on the internet who *do* want 5K (or don’t care but are willing to pay for Apple’s aluminium case) that they have made the wrong decision.