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What are the chances that there will be no MBP 2019?
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You do realise that besides art and some niche stuff iPads are merely devices for consuming content?
For everything else, when talking professional use - you need a proper computer, with a proper file system, with a proper keyboard, proper operating system and most of all - proper software.
Can you do professional video editing on iPads? No. You might be able to pull a project or two and show them on YT, but in reality it's a no brainer.
Can you do complex Keynote presentations on iPads? No. Well you could, functionally is all there, but it is slow and boring job. Useless, except in last minute situations for small edits.
And most of all:
Can you do software developement on iPads?! When talking about computers this is the core of all professionalism.
Wrong. You can do pro stuff in an iPad Pro. There are a couple of pro apps that are great. That old school mentality that you need a pc to do work is out of touch with todays computing reality.
You can do NICHE pro stuff. Read my post.
Can you do video editing? Like for real. No!
Can you do complex presentations? Like animations and timings and stuff? No!
Can you write scientific articles with references etc.? No.
Can you use complex keyboard shortcuts in software? No.
Can you create software for iOS? LOL, no. This one alone makes it not really "pro".
I mean for crying out loud if somebody sends me a ZIP file, I need to jump through hoops to open it.
When you say "old school mentality", did you have this in mind? And under "new school" you consider doing a webpage in weebly, doing photo editing in Instagram and programming in... sorry, I cannot find a Starbucks substitute here. If yes, please say so, so we can end this debate.
I think there's a very solid chance of either:
a) very minor upgrade
b) a complete redesign
The thing is, there isn't really much to do with the current design. The RAM, SSD, CPU, and GPU are pretty much maxed out, and I don't really see what can be added to the current design without changing it.
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Exactly. I know travel bloggers who do all their professional work on an iPhone. And surely there are people that can do all their professional work on an iPad. But for the general purposes, both are far inferior to an actual laptop.
a) very minor upgrade
b) a complete redesign
The thing is, there isn't really much to do with the current design. The RAM, SSD, CPU, and GPU are pretty much maxed out, and I don't really see what can be added to the current design without changing it.
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Exactly. I know travel bloggers who do all their professional work on an iPhone. And surely there are people that can do all their professional work on an iPad. But for the general purposes, both are far inferior to an actual laptop.
Would it require a major re-design to swap out the butterfly keyboard in favor of the old keyboard? Is that something we can reasonably expect in 2019?
I think the MBP 2019 (if there is one) would be great if:
1) Re-implement the older classic keyboard, touch bar is take it or leave it for me. Leave it if it drives the price up or reduces the daily battery life. I also don't care if the body gets 0.12 mm thicker or weighs a few grams more.
2) Thinner bezels.
3) Increased resolution, to something like 3000 x 2000, with PPI of around 250 from the current 220.
4) Fix the T2 issues obviously.
5) Do NOT increase the price.
Leave everything else the same and that would be one of the best MBP ever.
I think the MBP 2019 (if there is one) would be great if:
1) Re-implement the older classic keyboard, touch bar is take it or leave it for me. Leave it if it drives the price up or reduces the daily battery life. I also don't care if the body gets 0.12 mm thicker or weighs a few grams more.
2) Thinner bezels.
3) Increased resolution, to something like 3000 x 2000, with PPI of around 250 from the current 220.
4) Fix the T2 issues obviously.
5) Do NOT increase the price.
Leave everything else the same and that would be one of the best MBP ever.
To fit in the old keyboard, Apple would need to revert to the thicker computer case (i.e. I can't see Apple ever doing that).
I don't mind the current butterfly keyboard. Just make the assumption that you may need to get it replaced sometime down the road if you want to keep your MacBook Pro for many years.
Imagine the v3 keyboard being better than the rev.1 keyboard. Then imagine my 2015 12” MacBook, coming up to 4 years old, without the keyboard causing a single issue.
I don’t need to imagine it, because for me and the vast majority, even the rev1 keyboard is fine. However the rev 3 is a better design.
No need to wait bc of the keyboard.
I don’t need to imagine it, because for me and the vast majority, even the rev1 keyboard is fine. However the rev 3 is a better design.
No need to wait bc of the keyboard.
Rubbish, even the Rev 3 keyboard is a **** design and its just a matter of when it will break, not if.
unless there is an actual file system (finder), and true support for peripherals no one is going to replace their MBP with an ipad. i mean you can't even access files if you plug an external drive into the ipad via the usb-c. whats the point of the usb-c if you can't use the port to its potential?
ipad pro won't replace day-to-day functionality for most people..at least anyone who does real actual work on their computer and doesn't just read pdfs or look at spreadsheets all day
People not having issues with the butterfly keyboard does not invalidate those people who have had issues. I think the evidence is sufficient to suggest that the butterfly keyboard's design is flawed at best.
And people claiming that the faults are universal, inevitable, or that the rev 3 keyboard is no different to rev 1 are also deliberately exaggerating.
i think the 3rd generation improved the situation, but it has not corrected it completely. Justified or not, its hard to deny that the butterfly keyboard is nearly universally reviled. I'm sure there are many people not having any issues, and may never have a problem, but given the high price tag, I personally am not willing to gamble on a hope - especially given apple's track record with the keyboard. Even the new MBA is not immune to the keyboard failure.
There’s a risk buying any computer ever. To suggest you wouldn’t buy a current MBP with a rev 3 keyboard, looks to me- as a 4 year owner of a rev 1 keyboard- to be a total over reaction.
I’ve had more MBP motherboards die while Steve was alive than while Mr Cook has been in charge. It’s called chance.
I’ve had more MBP motherboards die while Steve was alive than while Mr Cook has been in charge. It’s called chance.
Did you switch to a Lenovo from your MacBook Pro? I remember you upgrading from your 2012 to the 2018 I believe it was.
The MBP is Apple's "flagship" computer. None of us "know" what they have up their sleeve, but if I had to hazard a guess based on known current Intel processors / AMD graphics cards (this is assuming that any potential ARM/internal processing switch isn't likely until 2020..but is likely inevitable at least on the low-end), I'd guess we'd see a small spec bump by WWDC 2019. They are less likely to let it completely languish, like they've done with their desktops.
The better question is - what new tech would solve X problem for you? If absolutely necessary to have said tech - wait, or switch platforms. If you simply wish for a fairly powerful MacOS laptop, the "current" MBP is "good enough" (since, well, there isn't an alternative, now is there?)
Have a 2018 13" MBP. It's... ok. I'm in the camp of those who are looking over the fence. My company is about to purchase me a new laptop of my choice and... I'm having a hard time going MBP even though it would effectively be "free" to me. As a long time Mac owner/user - this makes me very sad indeed. I don't know if I'd really recommend this laptop to anyone. The price/value ratio just doesn't feel like it's there. (This is after enthusiastically recommending Macs for decades)
But - at the end of the day, I'll likely get whatever the current 15" MBP is... just for the software.
(those 17" gaming laptops though... man... those might be on my list for next personal device..)
Either way - hope you find a computer that makes you happy in the moment - staring into the future and waiting is always a painful game.
The better question is - what new tech would solve X problem for you? If absolutely necessary to have said tech - wait, or switch platforms. If you simply wish for a fairly powerful MacOS laptop, the "current" MBP is "good enough" (since, well, there isn't an alternative, now is there?)
Have a 2018 13" MBP. It's... ok. I'm in the camp of those who are looking over the fence. My company is about to purchase me a new laptop of my choice and... I'm having a hard time going MBP even though it would effectively be "free" to me. As a long time Mac owner/user - this makes me very sad indeed. I don't know if I'd really recommend this laptop to anyone. The price/value ratio just doesn't feel like it's there. (This is after enthusiastically recommending Macs for decades)
But - at the end of the day, I'll likely get whatever the current 15" MBP is... just for the software.
(those 17" gaming laptops though... man... those might be on my list for next personal device..)
Either way - hope you find a computer that makes you happy in the moment - staring into the future and waiting is always a painful game.
Rosetta greatly benefited from the performance bump going from PowerPC to x86. That performance bump is likely to not exist when Apple switches to ARM. Currently the assumption is Apple is waiting for ARM to catch the higher end Intel chips in performance, and I would expect performance between the two to be similar if Apple decides to switch.
Also, it took a while for everyone to rewrite their apps for Intel from PowerPC. It will not be a quick transition, if there is a transition at all. It is amazing how much stock people have put into one article.
For the OP, sorry that your thread devolved into another keyboard thread. There seem to be a few people hell bent on turning everything toward keyboards in this forum. There will almost assuredly be a 2019 MacBook Pro. How much of an upgrade it will be is an open question. I would suspect it will be more or less a spec bump at this point. If you need one now, I think there is no reason to hold back. It is unlikely the 2019 is a major leap forward.
That bad huh? I was planning to upgrade my Early 2015 MBP in 2020, but i’m reconsidering and deciding on a Windows machine. Might get the Surface Laptop 3 this year or the X1 Extreme, it has all the right things going for it.
Can you do video editing? Like for real. No! Yes, you can...LumaFusion Pro along with Filmic Pro seems to work pretty well. 4K/60FPS with HLG, no DSLR needed. Just watch Apple's behind the scenes video about the making of their recent iPad Pro How-To videos.
Can you do complex presentations? Like animations and timings and stuff? No! Both Keynote and PowerPoint need some love, this is true, so this is a matter of time at best. I wish I could speak more knowledgeably about this topic.
Can you write scientific articles with references etc.? No. Using LaTeX, Markdown or something else? There are various text editors on iOS that allow the use of both. I am afraid you will need to be more specific. Plenty of solutions in the App Store (iAWriter, Texpad, VerbTeX).
Can you use complex keyboard shortcuts in software? No. I use complex keyboard shortcuts all the time in various apps...do you even have an iPad?
Can you create software for iOS? LOL, no. This one alone makes it not really "pro". Not yet, but that is entirely within Apple's control to change. Beyond the Developer Certificates, Apple needs to eliminate the need for a terminal, or allow access to registered Developers along with a way to submit builds and code sign. It is not an impossible problem, but it may not be without limitations starting out.
I mean for crying out loud if somebody sends me a ZIP file, I need to jump through hoops to open it. Surely, it needs to be made easier in iOS 13, but this seems to make it pretty simple - https://www.igeeksblog.com/how-to-zip-unzip-files-on-iphone-ipad-using-shortcuts/
When you say "old school mentality", did you have this in mind? And under "new school" you consider doing a webpage in weebly, doing photo editing in Instagram and programming in... sorry, I cannot find a Starbucks substitute here. If yes, please say so, so we can end this debate. The debate is not going to end anytime soon, but this isn't the thread for that debate.
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Intel's Roadmap points towards the end of 2020 if we are to believe they will have 8-core 45w H-Series CPUs ready - https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel...Cs-with-8-core-i9-H-series-CPUs.374616.0.html