It was more about getting the most out of the MBP now before the value dropped too much and before I had issues. Tbh, I'm so happy that I did, for me the X1 Extreme is a superior computer in nearly every metric.
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If what you say proves true, that will be the day I stop using Apple products.
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YES ! And a proper screen
I don't think Apple cares, they are obviously not catering to "Pros" anymore. I now think they will pivot away from a gadget company and more into a medical device company.If what you say proves true, that will be the day I stop using Apple products.
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YES ! And a proper screen
lol, I'd like to see you use an iPad for 12 hours a day, four days in a row using Logic Pro and/or any other professional piece of audio software, to record a five piece band for an E.P. and then also mix it.
I'm talking about constant punch-ins on the fly, editing as we go, quick edits, 16 channels of audio going in at once sometimes, VST/AU plugins, using other audio programs to time stretch or whatever, etc, etc, etc.
Not to mention, four songs just took up 40GB of hard drive space. Sure you could use an external drive but I prefer to utilise the speed of an internal SSD. No idea how an iPad Pro handles external hard drive + 16 channel soundcard + MIDI I/O + USB I/O all at once, but I'm guessing that it'd be terribad!
Also, how about doing just a modicum of decent 3D work on an iPad? Hmm.
That "millenial" mentality is, as usual, out of touch with todays actual reality.
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There isn't a chance that I will spend 10 hours a day trying to create motion graphics on After Effects using an iPad, 6GB of RAM isn't nearly enough to render anything.
Website designing, not a chance, at least with a Mac/PC you can Google 'ipad browser simulation' there's no way you can do that on an iPad, it's just daft.
For basic admin stuff, sure iPad is a great tool, and I love taking my iPad into schools when I'm showing off the world of STEM, but beyond that, it doesn't come near functionality of a Mac/PC. They will forever be inferior.
Website designing, not a chance, at least with a Mac/PC you can Google 'ipad browser simulation' there's no way you can do that on an iPad, it's just daft.
For basic admin stuff, sure iPad is a great tool, and I love taking my iPad into schools when I'm showing off the world of STEM, but beyond that, it doesn't come near functionality of a Mac/PC. They will forever be inferior.
You do know that that was more of an advertisement than a "behind the scenes"? I mean sure it CAN be done. But I will bet you anything that after recording and producing that those people went on using normal desktop software. It's a nice proof of concept, but nowhere near to proof of competence.
I had an iPad, with the introduction of larger screens on phones it was of no use anymore. Can you create your own shortcuts? How about shortcuts in non-Apple apps? Use keyboard to operate apps on multiple screens, have apps on several virtual desktops...
Again, some often used shortcuts do work. Still it's a long way to normal usability.
It is NOT a matter of time or app developement. Simply put, these apps are handicapped because of the whole iOS usability. They will never be able to streamline them like desktop versions unless they change the OS.
Reference tracking, easily jumping between article discovery and writing, etc. No can do.
https://www.igeeksblog.com/how-to-zip-unzip-files-on-iphone-ipad-using-shortcuts/
Started scrolling, but discovering that you need to programme your own subroutine in Shortcuts via multiple services to do a simple procedure as unZIP something. Yes, I will so use this daily.
Well Auria Pro could do it if you have a compatible A/D Interface - recording 16 tracks simultaneously should not be a big problem. By now there are also a lot of plugins available - even from fabfilter. I'd say, you can do a low-key production on an iPad but I rather use it as a second screen daw controller.
It’s not “inferior” it’s just a different tool. For some things it’s better. I’m a professional architect. I get paid for what I do. So what I do, by definition, is “pro”.
Last week I travelled to two sites to meet clients and engineers, armed only with my iPad Pro 2018. The iPP and pencil allowed me to take minutes of the meetings. I could open up PDFs from Dropbox to discuss various aspects of the design. I could sketch over the top of drawings to discuss options, then overlay with more layers to show further options. I could then send those sketches to third parties by email for them to see.
I took photos of the existing house. Sketches over them to show how the building could be changed. Got feedback on the spot. Took a screenshot, copied into the notebook app as a record of what the clients approved. Emailed it to them in the minutes.
Try doing that with a laptop. Or a desktop!
For marking up PDFs and doing shop drawing responses the iPP is a better tool than a computer with OSX or Windows. Hands down.
Last week I travelled to two sites to meet clients and engineers, armed only with my iPad Pro 2018. The iPP and pencil allowed me to take minutes of the meetings. I could open up PDFs from Dropbox to discuss various aspects of the design. I could sketch over the top of drawings to discuss options, then overlay with more layers to show further options. I could then send those sketches to third parties by email for them to see.
I took photos of the existing house. Sketches over them to show how the building could be changed. Got feedback on the spot. Took a screenshot, copied into the notebook app as a record of what the clients approved. Emailed it to them in the minutes.
Try doing that with a laptop. Or a desktop!
For marking up PDFs and doing shop drawing responses the iPP is a better tool than a computer with OSX or Windows. Hands down.
No doubt sir, I too have been on sites numerous times and being able to annotate a drawing on site there and then and send it to the contractors is a magical moment. But if you were to design something on AutoCAD, same something quite simple like a road design, you would be there for months trying to produce something thats of quality.
There's a time and a place, for some users the iPad just doesn't cut it. When I am at school, I do NOT want the kids touching my £4000 MBP, I don't care how gentle they are, they will touch the screen ! But when I bring the iPad in, sure throw that thing about, it's designed for it.
Time and a place...
^ exactly. Different tools for different purposes.
That said, AutoCad does have a version that runs on the iPP and it seems pretty decent for editing and viewing on the go.
A colleague at our shared workspace uses ArchiCad and its integrated beautifully on the iPad. Unfortunately we are on Revit, which won’t even run on OSX let alone iOS.
That said, AutoCad does have a version that runs on the iPP and it seems pretty decent for editing and viewing on the go.
A colleague at our shared workspace uses ArchiCad and its integrated beautifully on the iPad. Unfortunately we are on Revit, which won’t even run on OSX let alone iOS.
To be honest, I hate using AutoCAD on the Mac it just feels so messy, the controls are all over shop prefer bootcamp for that. This was a couple years ago, unsure if it has improved since.
Revit ..... lol, that's another beast of its own. Why is it so difficult to get the programs aligned with hardware. And we have Adobe sitting over there (laughing) bringing out useless features and not working on multithreaded processing. It's a funny world we live in, this isn't even consumerism anymore, it's professional use.
I would have to disagree with that assessment...I also have to think that no one at the ad agency or Apple wants it to be known that they lied about how those videos were produced. Here is another video of You Tube personality Jonathan Morrison editing a video in LumaFusion -
I am not claiming that the iPad Pro can replace a full editing suite or that it is suitable for editing RED RAW or ARRIRAW footage yet, but the new iPad Pro can do 4K/60p and Filmic Pro unlocks much more of the iPad Pro or iPhone's potential than the Camera app. Barriers are being broken down slowly.
No, you cannot currently create you own keyboard shortcuts for apps as you can in macOS. App developers are including keyboard shortcuts in the apps more and more now, which is a positive development.
No, iOS does not have virtual desktops and limited multi-screen support. Because the current iPad Pro was released mid-cycle, iOS 12 only makes rudimentary use of the USB-C port. We will have to wait until iOS 13 before we see how Apple is going to take advantage of the hardware, which clearly outstrips iOS 12.
Operating systems evolve over time, regardless of platform. Perhaps some enterprising company will come up with a better mousetrap. Perhaps this will remain a sore spot forever.
Again, if the market is large enough to warrant investment, someone will make a better mousetrap. According to Wikipedia, there are several reference tracking apps, some for iOS, some web-based, some active and some defunct. I cannot speak intelligently enough about the subject, so I readily admit that I am out of my depth. However, if the tools exist and workflows can be created that are not byzantine for the sake of proving it can be done on iOS, I begin to wonder if the objections that will pop up have more to do with "Well, that is the way we have always done it." and resistance to change than to a lack of tools available. I am not directing that specifically at you...just making an observation.
Needing to pack and unpack ZIP archives is something I need to do on a daily basis as well and so it is super frustrating to me that Apple has not baked this into the Files app. I can think of a few security-related reasons why they may not have done this yet, but I would think that allowing a third-party dev to release an app in the App Store shows that they are okay with it. I sincerely hope that they include the functionality in iOS 13 as that is one more brick out of the wall for me.
Simply put - iPad will be 9 years old this year. It has always been a "large" iPhone with all the limitations of iOS and all the benefits of portability and simplified touch interface. I'll admit there has been constant evolution, but this is exactly the problem. In order for iPad to become something more, there needs to be a radical shift of iOS. You say we should be patient and wait for software developement and platform maturing. If this was bound to happen, it would have happened already.
The new iPad Pro is an incredibly powerful device. Total overkill for your average iOS user. I would be the first in line to buy it if it could really really replace my Macbook Pro. If I could just make the switch and not think about "How do I unZIP this?" Use it like an iPad, yet easily connect a trackpad+keyboard, plug in a USB-C monitor and have a proper desktop experience.
And this is exactly why this will never happen. The "new Apple" is becoming more about profit than user experience. Making the iPad experience better would cut into laptop sales.
The new iPad Pro is an incredibly powerful device. Total overkill for your average iOS user. I would be the first in line to buy it if it could really really replace my Macbook Pro. If I could just make the switch and not think about "How do I unZIP this?" Use it like an iPad, yet easily connect a trackpad+keyboard, plug in a USB-C monitor and have a proper desktop experience.
And this is exactly why this will never happen. The "new Apple" is becoming more about profit than user experience. Making the iPad experience better would cut into laptop sales.
There was a very long wait between the last release of the old MacBook Pro design and the late 2016 release of the new design. Even if you went full iPad Pro, might need 1 more new Mac to ride out the end of the macOS era. I'll probably get a Mac mini when my 2015 MacBook Pro dies.
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Hi, I was 1/2 asleep when I did the calculation.. yeah thats about right, still sucks in american dollars. I imagine you in America can't live on that
I'd expect a wait as long as the one between the last release of the old design and the Touch Bar models, unless we see something to update it with. Right now, the MBP is using the most current Intel mobile CPUs, and AMD mobile chips would be at most a sidegrade for the 13", and a very substantial downgrade for the 15" (from a 6 core to a lower-clocked quad core).
I haven't seen any rumor of a significantly different CPU before very late 2019, and more likely early 2020. There may be a tiny upgrade before then, but Apple has skipped minor chip generations before (including in the generation before the Touch Bar) - they never released a Broadwell MBP, sticking with older Haswell chips until the Skylake Touch Bar models.
The real question is whether the 2020 Sunny Cove MBP will also feature a redesign (different displays and keyboards are both possible)?
The MBP won't be an early adopter of Apple's A-series chips - they'll start with the MacBook (which can use a stock iPad Pro chip) and spread it to the 21" iMac and the Mini, which can use an iPad Pro type chip, perhaps with additional cores, before they build high-power cores for the MBP. I'd expect another full generation (4 years or so) of Intel MBPs before any real chance of Apple/ARM chips, especially in the 15".
I haven't seen any rumor of a significantly different CPU before very late 2019, and more likely early 2020. There may be a tiny upgrade before then, but Apple has skipped minor chip generations before (including in the generation before the Touch Bar) - they never released a Broadwell MBP, sticking with older Haswell chips until the Skylake Touch Bar models.
The real question is whether the 2020 Sunny Cove MBP will also feature a redesign (different displays and keyboards are both possible)?
The MBP won't be an early adopter of Apple's A-series chips - they'll start with the MacBook (which can use a stock iPad Pro chip) and spread it to the 21" iMac and the Mini, which can use an iPad Pro type chip, perhaps with additional cores, before they build high-power cores for the MBP. I'd expect another full generation (4 years or so) of Intel MBPs before any real chance of Apple/ARM chips, especially in the 15".
Probably a spec bump, but I wouldn't think there would be a new redesign. I've had no issues with my keyboard and I've had the latest 15" since August. However, if you are worried, most definitely get AppleCare plus. It will extend coverage to 3 years. If you can wait, and it's not that critical, then it won't hurt to wait and see if there is an upgrade. If you need a laptop now, then get one. I've got the base 15 and it is fast for everything I do. So even if there is a spec bump it probably won't add a whole lot to the experience. Just my opinion of course. Goods luck.
Two new pieces of information over this past weekend:
1.) Partial specs of Intel's new mobile CPUs on AnandTech, among other places. FAR more than just a minor speed bump on the chips destined for the 15" - 8 core mobile chips with 15-20% performance improvement over 2018 6-core models. Between the new chips and the Vega GPUs (assuming Vega 16 and Vega 20 unchanged from the 2018 mid-cycle update), it looks like an upper end model may be close to twice as fast as a 2016 or 2017 MBP on many tasks (~40% faster than a pre-Vega 2018).
2.) Looks like a redesign year, at least according to Ming-Chi Kuo, who's about as smart as any Apple analyst out there. 16" screens? We may see improved cooling, allowing that hungry i9 to perform to its full potential.
A few days ago, I was thinking "nothing, or at most a press-release speed bump - the new one is coming in 2020". Now, I'm thinking "maybe the best MBP upgrade since Retina".
No idea when on release dates... Could be WWDC, but wouldn't surprise me if it's October or so...
1.) Partial specs of Intel's new mobile CPUs on AnandTech, among other places. FAR more than just a minor speed bump on the chips destined for the 15" - 8 core mobile chips with 15-20% performance improvement over 2018 6-core models. Between the new chips and the Vega GPUs (assuming Vega 16 and Vega 20 unchanged from the 2018 mid-cycle update), it looks like an upper end model may be close to twice as fast as a 2016 or 2017 MBP on many tasks (~40% faster than a pre-Vega 2018).
2.) Looks like a redesign year, at least according to Ming-Chi Kuo, who's about as smart as any Apple analyst out there. 16" screens? We may see improved cooling, allowing that hungry i9 to perform to its full potential.
A few days ago, I was thinking "nothing, or at most a press-release speed bump - the new one is coming in 2020". Now, I'm thinking "maybe the best MBP upgrade since Retina".
No idea when on release dates... Could be WWDC, but wouldn't surprise me if it's October or so...
I wouldn't be surprised if we see a press-release spec bump for the current design in May or so and the 16" coming in Q4.
Well to be fair, Affinity photo and Design are made for iPad pro and others and it does quite a lot. Adobe is also coming on board with more, so things in the photo editing department are possible. The lack of a real file system though...
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Can't argue you... Except that you can't really use an external drive. Apple won't allow it.
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You can do all of that with a Surface and with a Surface book, and as an architect, with Windows you can use Revit, the superior tool. My brother in law is an architect.
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The surface book doesn’t have the battery life when the screen is detached.
We looked at a surface book before getting the iPad Pro. We have since bought another one for the other director and all the staff now want one!
We use Revit on our IMacs running bootcamp. But for marking up shop drawings Revit is close to useless. You’re not going to import PDFs as rastarized images and then mark them up in Revit
Different tools for different purposes. The iPad Pro excels in areas where traditional laptops and desktops can’t.
We looked at a surface book before getting the iPad Pro. We have since bought another one for the other director and all the staff now want one!
We use Revit on our IMacs running bootcamp. But for marking up shop drawings Revit is close to useless. You’re not going to import PDFs as rastarized images and then mark them up in Revit
Different tools for different purposes. The iPad Pro excels in areas where traditional laptops and desktops can’t.