not all plastic is cheap and crappy, how bout u hold it before u make speculations?
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not all plastic is cheap and crappy, how bout u hold it before u make speculations?
not all plastic is cheap and crappy, how bout u hold it before u make speculations?
right.....like apple has some space-aged super plastic that feels and acts like no other plastic used on this earth before!
believe me, it's the same crap plastic we're all expecting....those in denial are only delaying the inevitable.
so ur saying that all plastic is the same cheap crap?
funny because this laptop doesnt feel anything like a trashbag to me.
so ur saying that all plastic is the same cheap crap?
funny because this laptop doesnt feel anything like a trashbag to me.
you're one of those in denial i see.
i'm off to bed, night all!
lol this guy...
Are macbooks 'cheap' feeling? It is a serious question, i own a MBP so I'm asking macbook owners if their laptops feel 'cheap'.
from the ones ive played with at the apple store, not at all. To me apples plastic (i dunno wat kind it is) doesnt feel cheap at all, personally i think that guys just a little anti plastic because he doesnt realize there are thousands of different kinds.
So if macbooks (which are made by apple, and are made of plastic), are not 'cheap' feeling, why is everyone speculating that the iphone 3G will be 'cheap' feeling. Also when iLounge has already reported that it is not 'cheap' feeling....
I know because I have an Iphone and the push mail is lack luster to say the very least.
But you don't have the new iPhone 2.0 software that contains the ActiveSync code that Apple licensed from Microsoft, giving the iPhone virtually the same push sync capabilities (email, calendar, contacts) as the BlackBerry, do you?
... because in a thread predominantly about the iPhone 3G, if you're going to say "nor is the Iphone nearly as reliable with push email as a a blackberry", it sounds like you've had experience with the new 2.0 software.
The Plastic doesn't bother me.. I've been looking at the plastic bit at the bottom of the current iphone and if anything its less scatched than the silver bit.
For me I'm a little dissapointed by the little things. Things that actually stop you using the phone even more.
Cut & Paste
Forward SMS messages.
Landscape Typing in All Apps
and although its a strategic thing I'm frustrated about MMS. I received a picture message today and couldn't easily get to it.
That being said lots of good stuff included.
Mr CatMan
For me I'm a little dissapointed by the little things. Things that actually stop you using the phone even more.
Cut & Paste
Forward SMS messages.
Landscape Typing in All Apps
and although its a strategic thing I'm frustrated about MMS. I received a picture message today and couldn't easily get to it.
That being said lots of good stuff included.
Mr CatMan
Every phone available is made of plastic for a reason, these devices send and receive RF signals and metal blocks these signals. Apple got around it the first time and were able to do a half and half al/plastic back. They need the better reception for the GPS and 3G along with bluetooth, wifi, etc.
Also, look at photos of the iphone and the iphone3g side by side, the iPhone 3g looks damn sexier, I think the 2 tone of the original iphone was not attractive, and that the sleek and sexy 3g is a ++ on style by apple.
I think people are really overreacting without thinking
first of all, the plastic back, imo, will be MUCH BETTER, in terms of looks, performance, and durability. On the old iPhone, you had to have this stupid black strip along the bottom for the cell signal. Why? Aluminum isn't good for transferring signal. That leaves 1 little area for the data to come in and go out. On the new phone, it can enter/exit from just about anywhere (correct me if I'm wrong of course, thats just my unexperienced understanding). I own an iPhone, and I can tell you that I HATE the aluminum back. Because it dents very easily. Just like my powerbook. I can't use disks with that because of the dents sometimes. The plastic will retain a new look much longer than the aluminum ever could have.
and about the rate plan...... why does everyone say that its been upped $15? Technically it has, but, for me, with unlimited texting staying the same price, its only gone up 10. I believe 1500 texts is the same price as well. does not having 200 texts matter all that much? if you really use texting, you'll know that you can go through 200 texts in less than a week without even knowing it. it was almost dangerous having 200 free texts because you thought you had messages to send, and really you had run out 2 weeks ago. then you get a bill with a 100 dollar charge for texting. so everyone who is upset about losing their 200 texts, ask yourself, did you really ever use them? my guess is if you really used texting, you'd have upgraded your text plan long ago
first of all, the plastic back, imo, will be MUCH BETTER, in terms of looks, performance, and durability. On the old iPhone, you had to have this stupid black strip along the bottom for the cell signal. Why? Aluminum isn't good for transferring signal. That leaves 1 little area for the data to come in and go out. On the new phone, it can enter/exit from just about anywhere (correct me if I'm wrong of course, thats just my unexperienced understanding). I own an iPhone, and I can tell you that I HATE the aluminum back. Because it dents very easily. Just like my powerbook. I can't use disks with that because of the dents sometimes. The plastic will retain a new look much longer than the aluminum ever could have.
and about the rate plan...... why does everyone say that its been upped $15? Technically it has, but, for me, with unlimited texting staying the same price, its only gone up 10. I believe 1500 texts is the same price as well. does not having 200 texts matter all that much? if you really use texting, you'll know that you can go through 200 texts in less than a week without even knowing it. it was almost dangerous having 200 free texts because you thought you had messages to send, and really you had run out 2 weeks ago. then you get a bill with a 100 dollar charge for texting. so everyone who is upset about losing their 200 texts, ask yourself, did you really ever use them? my guess is if you really used texting, you'd have upgraded your text plan long ago
I think the plastic back is a reasonable trade off for a better signal strength. My experience has been that the iPhone does not work as well as other phones with a weak signal.
As far as the cost of the data plan goes, I think you have to divide people into two groups: Those who could consider another smart phone like a BlackBerry, and those who would have just a "normal phone" if it wasn't for the iPhone.
Those of you who have looked at other smart phones, and used them before, are aware of the cost of the data plans, and know that the original iPhone plan was a bargain, and that the 3G iPhone plan is still a reasonable deal.
Those of you who have come from a regular cell phone plan, and probably wouldn't even consider anything but an iPhone, were probably surprised that there was a data plan for the original phone, but you could deal with the cost. Now that the 3G iphone is coming, you "can't believe" that they increase the cost of the data plan, and combined with Steve's comments that Apple wanted to make the phone cheaper, you feel like someone is ripping you off.
My concern is the marketing of the phone. If Apple and AT&T want the iPhone to be attractive to other smart phone users, then I think the cost of the plan is no big deal - these are the people who are saying, "it's only $10-$15 more - get over it...".
If Apple and AT&T want the phone to be attractive to your everyday Joe and his family, then the Data Plan costs is a HUGE deal.
Try asking your non-techie friends and families about the iPhone. My experience has been that they would not pay for the data plan, or MIGHT pay the $20 but, certainly not $30. I hear this over and over.
I find that these are these are the same people who ask about getting the phone w/o a plan. While this seems crazy to those of you in the first group, who can't imagine why anyone would want an iPhone w/o cell network internet, it is an acceptable trade off for many people.
These people want the convergence of their iPod with their phone, plus the ability to use wi-fi when it is available. To many people this is a great solution. I know I would get iPhones for my kids if I didn't have to pay for the data plan.
I think it all comes down to what your individual needs are for the phone, and what you are willing to pay for. Some of us will pay for the phone and the data plan, others would like to pay for just the phone, and use Wi-Fi.
I just hope there is an option for both, or the acceptance of the phone will suffer with the bulk of the cell phone users...
As far as the cost of the data plan goes, I think you have to divide people into two groups: Those who could consider another smart phone like a BlackBerry, and those who would have just a "normal phone" if it wasn't for the iPhone.
Those of you who have looked at other smart phones, and used them before, are aware of the cost of the data plans, and know that the original iPhone plan was a bargain, and that the 3G iPhone plan is still a reasonable deal.
Those of you who have come from a regular cell phone plan, and probably wouldn't even consider anything but an iPhone, were probably surprised that there was a data plan for the original phone, but you could deal with the cost. Now that the 3G iphone is coming, you "can't believe" that they increase the cost of the data plan, and combined with Steve's comments that Apple wanted to make the phone cheaper, you feel like someone is ripping you off.
My concern is the marketing of the phone. If Apple and AT&T want the iPhone to be attractive to other smart phone users, then I think the cost of the plan is no big deal - these are the people who are saying, "it's only $10-$15 more - get over it...".
If Apple and AT&T want the phone to be attractive to your everyday Joe and his family, then the Data Plan costs is a HUGE deal.
Try asking your non-techie friends and families about the iPhone. My experience has been that they would not pay for the data plan, or MIGHT pay the $20 but, certainly not $30. I hear this over and over.
I find that these are these are the same people who ask about getting the phone w/o a plan. While this seems crazy to those of you in the first group, who can't imagine why anyone would want an iPhone w/o cell network internet, it is an acceptable trade off for many people.
These people want the convergence of their iPod with their phone, plus the ability to use wi-fi when it is available. To many people this is a great solution. I know I would get iPhones for my kids if I didn't have to pay for the data plan.
I think it all comes down to what your individual needs are for the phone, and what you are willing to pay for. Some of us will pay for the phone and the data plan, others would like to pay for just the phone, and use Wi-Fi.
I just hope there is an option for both, or the acceptance of the phone will suffer with the bulk of the cell phone users...
I own a regular cell phone, I guess I'm just open-minded and competent enough to realize that it's regular smartphone data pricing, even though i've never paid for Data before.
the old plan only included 200 messages. if you text any decent amount you will certainly have to raise it. I am currently paying $10 for 1500 messages.
regarding the OP though, I am not upset at all regarding the black case or the increase in prices. They are both well worth 3G speed. The GPS is nice, but I just wanted 3G really, so I am very happy.
what bothers me the most - apple's whole marketing campaign behind this 3G iPhone, it is almost as if it's false advertisement. The big thing about this iPhone from Apple is that it is cheaper, I mean right on the front page it says "Twice as fast for half the price" when this is NOT true at all. It will actually be more expensive to own an iphone this time around - about $150 (as read on gizmodo.com he compares the prices/plans now vs iPhone 1). I have always loved the apple company, but the fact they they are advertising this phone as half the price, when they really know its going to cost consumers more to own it is absolutely ridiculous and very out of character for apple. It only makes me hope that they have something they plan to release a week or so before the 3G launch - but i wont be holding my breath
I understand your views and agree with them to a certain degree. Apple is in fact selling the phone for 1/2 the price.....what they do not tell the consumer is that the plan has now gone up 25% which turns out to cost you more money. It is very shady business if you ask me...they
are asking for a problem with this way of conducting business. I think if Jobs wanted more market share, he would have kept the rates the same. It is like "we" are being penalized for 3G. I think he has basically decided that the US will represent a % of thier business, so he can work on other carriers and countries.
I like the new phone, hell I will more than likely buy a 3G phone, but I am not amused with the way things have been handled to say the least.
"You" are being penalized (with a higher priced data plan) for the iPhone 3G's $199 price tag, not because of 3G.
I understand your views and agree with them to a certain degree. Apple is in fact selling the phone for 1/2 the price.....what they do not tell the consumer is that the plan has now gone up 25% which turns out to cost you more money. It is very shady business if you ask me...they
I think if Jobs wanted more market share, he would have kept the rates the same. It is like "we" are being penalized for 3G. I think he has basically decided that the US will represent a % of thier business, so he can work on other carriers and countries.
I like the new phone, hell I will more than likely buy a 3G phone, but I am not amused with the way things have been handled to say the least.
there's not penalization, no shady business, the 3G iPhone is being marketed and priced the exact same as every other smartphone out there.I don't understand how people could be so bull-headed!
Apparently it's easy.
You simply ignore everything logical and simply respond with emotions.
I don't understand how people could be so bull-headed!
how can you say that when Apple is claiming the iphone is half the price when in reality it is going to cost MORE than it was to own a gen. 1 iPhone. Im pretty sure you are the one being bull-headed. The fact that Apple themselves are marketing a phone saying its half the price when in fact it isnt, is not like apple imo.
but apple only markets the hardware...the PHONE....not the plan. so, technically, they are not lying about 1/2 the price.
WhySoSerious is right. Apple couldn't care less about AT&T's part of the deal. They have no control over that and do not set the prices themselves. The iPhone is cheaper from Apple. That's all there is to it.
The price of the iPhone 3G is $199.
$199 is 1/2 the cost of $399.
The price of the iPhone has nothing to do with the rate plans required. You're thinking TCO (total cost of ownership). That's not called "price".