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What can a Mac do a PC can't?
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Fine you want to explain why it classic BS. Windows XP/2000 are both very stable OS. They general can go weeks with out a restart. The restarts are control most of the time by updates which are on the 2nd Tuesday of a month. Crashes are few and far between. Yes people like to claim windows can not go an hour with out crashing. Or I can point to post made by other people putting down those classic BS arguments. Most of a time when windows crash the problem is traced to a hardware problem that has caused something some driver to be come corrupted. That happens to be a hardware issue that once fix windows is back to be stable.
Lets see for my personal windows desktop lets restarts are control more by my computer loosing electricity than anything else. Hell most PC I know of restarts are cause by an OS update and the local power grid. Lets see no difference there between a PC and a Mac.
Sum it up arguments not to use deal with AV software and crashes. Unless the company has a large IT staff the difference between the 2 systems will be very small and not really a valid argument.
You're forgetting about the whole Windows ecosystem where everything just installs whatever it wants on top of each other and after six months your registry has more holes than your grandpa's favorite underwear. So it's not especially Windows XP that's buggy, it's all the drivers and DLLs loaded on top of it.
And FYI most of that crap is installed by DELL, not you, and your computer won't run without it or with it, and Dell won't fix anyway, so you're pretty much hosed...
And FYI most of that crap is installed by DELL, not you, and your computer won't run without it or with it, and Dell won't fix anyway, so you're pretty much hosed...
I don't think there is much you can do to convince them. Their minds are stuck on Macs are like OS 9 and OS 9 is crappy (Sorry to the remaining OS 9 fans out there) and very out of date.
It isn't a question what Mac can do and what a PC can't it is about money...
Being that you guys are still using OS 9 systems I will assume your company is cheap and short sighted in costs, not reaping in the improved performance of newer systems which can cut down on man hours...
So lets take this into account of money...
1. What will be the costs of new software for the PC vs. Costs of new software for the new Macs, can any of your old software be updated to OS X like Photoshop 7.0 upgrades to CS3 which is much cheaper then going straight to CS3
2. Training and overhead learning costs... This could kill a company who has PC and switches to Macs and this could happen in reverse... As you have stated that you don't know much about windows are there more people at work who feel this way... If you have a bunch of people who are use to using Macintoshes going to windows will be a learning curve for them, and this will cost the company money in lack of productivity.
3. It is not the fact that Macs don't get viruses but the cost of these viruses. A virus could take a small company of all IT Experts out of billable work for at least a half a day... It is much worse if the company is larger and doesn't have skilled IT Department. But still a single virus could cost in productivity be more then the additional costs to get a similar Mac. 10 People working average of $15.00 and hour. Cant work for 8 hours because a virus is being fixed that is $1200.00 or an additional hidden cost of $120 per Computer. That is not included loss of profit for the day or any damage to work in progress thus can make it much higher.
4. Microsoft License management. You need to be sure that you are using the systems to Microsofts License agreements. This sometimes can get complex for companies because they like just using a single media. Stickers on the PC do get ripped and loss.
5. Blame Game... On Apple Computer if something goes bad you blame Apple. On a PC you blame the PC manufacturer they will blame Microsoft and Microsoft will blame the PC manufacture. The Free technical support is worth as much as it costs. It is worthless if you are on the phone for hours only to get in an endless loop you lost so many hours of productivity and accomplished nothing. At least if you need to contact Apple the service may be better or worse. But at least at the end of the call you will be in a different state and not where you were before.
6. Besides moving over your old software what it the cost of moving over your documents to windows... If you made a program using Quark and then you are using Publisher there is a cost in migration of documents.
7. Patching Costs. On macs when you havn't updated the computer in a while you will get One perhaps 2 at the most patching sections... Patching an Unpatched windows system takes all day. More time loss. and remember time is = to money
8. Quality Risk. You have worked with Apple in the past you know it gets the job done... Will PC manufacture work for your buisness you are taking a risk unless you know for sure.
9. Flexibility. The new macs can also run windows... That way you can get the best of both world and with VMware or Parallels you can do it at the same time. You are not stuck anywhere. So most advantages of using a PC is transfered over to the mac.
10. Quality Apple sometimes cost more that is because they use better quality parts. The Intel Chips are not the Celerons (which are chips that failed some of the minor QA checks, usually cache fails to work) Also apple uses the leading edge technology not bleading edge technology. They make sure what the hardware has works with the OS. Windows and PC you will have hardware the barely works or you buy hardware options that is not even utilized by the OS. Worse the drivers cause your system to crash. The cost of getting a PC that works very good with windows ends up costing the same if not more then a Mac.
It isn't a question what Mac can do and what a PC can't it is about money...
Being that you guys are still using OS 9 systems I will assume your company is cheap and short sighted in costs, not reaping in the improved performance of newer systems which can cut down on man hours...
So lets take this into account of money...
1. What will be the costs of new software for the PC vs. Costs of new software for the new Macs, can any of your old software be updated to OS X like Photoshop 7.0 upgrades to CS3 which is much cheaper then going straight to CS3
2. Training and overhead learning costs... This could kill a company who has PC and switches to Macs and this could happen in reverse... As you have stated that you don't know much about windows are there more people at work who feel this way... If you have a bunch of people who are use to using Macintoshes going to windows will be a learning curve for them, and this will cost the company money in lack of productivity.
3. It is not the fact that Macs don't get viruses but the cost of these viruses. A virus could take a small company of all IT Experts out of billable work for at least a half a day... It is much worse if the company is larger and doesn't have skilled IT Department. But still a single virus could cost in productivity be more then the additional costs to get a similar Mac. 10 People working average of $15.00 and hour. Cant work for 8 hours because a virus is being fixed that is $1200.00 or an additional hidden cost of $120 per Computer. That is not included loss of profit for the day or any damage to work in progress thus can make it much higher.
4. Microsoft License management. You need to be sure that you are using the systems to Microsofts License agreements. This sometimes can get complex for companies because they like just using a single media. Stickers on the PC do get ripped and loss.
5. Blame Game... On Apple Computer if something goes bad you blame Apple. On a PC you blame the PC manufacturer they will blame Microsoft and Microsoft will blame the PC manufacture. The Free technical support is worth as much as it costs. It is worthless if you are on the phone for hours only to get in an endless loop you lost so many hours of productivity and accomplished nothing. At least if you need to contact Apple the service may be better or worse. But at least at the end of the call you will be in a different state and not where you were before.
6. Besides moving over your old software what it the cost of moving over your documents to windows... If you made a program using Quark and then you are using Publisher there is a cost in migration of documents.
7. Patching Costs. On macs when you havn't updated the computer in a while you will get One perhaps 2 at the most patching sections... Patching an Unpatched windows system takes all day. More time loss. and remember time is = to money
8. Quality Risk. You have worked with Apple in the past you know it gets the job done... Will PC manufacture work for your buisness you are taking a risk unless you know for sure.
9. Flexibility. The new macs can also run windows... That way you can get the best of both world and with VMware or Parallels you can do it at the same time. You are not stuck anywhere. So most advantages of using a PC is transfered over to the mac.
10. Quality Apple sometimes cost more that is because they use better quality parts. The Intel Chips are not the Celerons (which are chips that failed some of the minor QA checks, usually cache fails to work) Also apple uses the leading edge technology not bleading edge technology. They make sure what the hardware has works with the OS. Windows and PC you will have hardware the barely works or you buy hardware options that is not even utilized by the OS. Worse the drivers cause your system to crash. The cost of getting a PC that works very good with windows ends up costing the same if not more then a Mac.
Most customers run their own AV software if they are vulnerable. At some point, it becomes more expensive to keep that customer and not get AV software.
I don't know which country you live in, but the judges I know wouldn't even permit such a trial in their courts without something else, such as the company without AV writing the virus in-house or intentionally spreading it. I hope the rest of the judicial system I know isn't as bad as you imply.
maybe. that's the best thing you've pointed out yet.
Many switch to Mac because of the superior, more time-efficient software! I was (and am) under the impression that creative professionals choose Mac because they're more efficient with the software on Macs!
And us "Apple fans" have consistently proved your arguments to be fictitious and baseless.
In addition, it hurts my eyes and mind to read your posts. Please clean up your grammar and spelling for clarity's sake.
Oh boy!
It's all about the OS. Mac OS X rocks the sh*t out of any Windows version (xp, vista). Just no comparison there.
for example...... which app?
lol, same question, you really think you throw this kind of statement on company's face, and they will take it and change the plan? lets try to be really helpful to OP.
I don't understand this bickering (Though I guess I kinda do, that seems to be Rodimus' goal). From a designer's standpoint, the reasons I listed in my previous post are the most sound. The rest of the general Mac vs PC stuff is useless. They're not trying to switch the whole office to Macs, or prove which is better overall, or even the TCO. Doesn't really matter. It's just the design department. The argument is why are Macs better for designers.
Tell your boss that with a Mac, in just 10 minutes after opening the ONLY box of the package, you can video chat with friends!!!
Wow. Way to misread that one. Where did I say that? The OP said 'we operate just like a design house'. That's what his whole rationale should be about.
You should just tell your boss that you like working with Macs and want to continue doing so. Simple as that. Happy workers tend to be productive workers and a good manager will take this on board.
Should be needless to say, but given the responses, don't fly off the handle if you don't get your own way. Windows isn't nearly as bad as it is made out to be.
Should be needless to say, but given the responses, don't fly off the handle if you don't get your own way. Windows isn't nearly as bad as it is made out to be.
Then the people in your office must be the most uneducated designers out there - CS3 is CS3 be it on a PC or a MAC they are no different inside or out - you can do the same things on a PC that you can do on a Mac.
In fact adobe sell more PC versions of CS than they do Mac - what does that tell you?
Sell with weird configurations for high prices because there are no other alternatives if you want one.Hi there
My company have announced they're scrapping our macs (boo hiss!)
I need to know what features are absolutely unique to a mac, to make a great case for getting mac upgrades.
The virus/stability argument won't wash with the company MD. I need to find other features. I think that multi-tasking is limited on a pc as is font management. Am I correct in saying this? And is there anything else anyone can chip in?
Thanks so much in advance. Save my life!
Your multitasking argument are wrong, fonts are indeed rendered more true to prints on macs than on Windows, thought on Windows they look better on a screen instead, even if they don't tell how the font really look or would look on paper.
Or if you knew what you were talking about you would know that XP is very stable unless the user makes it unstable.
it's actually about 1 mac version for ever 2 windows versions, at this moment, and macs do not make up one third of computer sales at this moment, so that tells me that a higher percentage of mac users use cs3 than windows users. which says to me that given the choice, they'd rather use macs.
also, if the mac os (currently) requires 256mb or ram, and vista requires 1gb of ram, with 2gb (or for that matter 1gb), which do you think will perform better? yes, cs3 is cs3. but the mac os doesn't slow it down as much as windows does, which is why i use cs3 on my mac.
well, I think if we extend this discussion to software availability, mac will lose. after all, apple is not producing everything. of course, if OP's company will not seek other solutions beyond apple. Then its probably enough.
is there any important 3rd party apps who run on both platform (ie. not produced by apple) that give clear advantages to OSX? (the truth is, every piece of window app produced by apple runs slow on windows, by design?)
You obviously don't deal with IT or Management directly then. There are corporate policies in place regarding operating environments. You can't just give a user whatever they want for obvious reasons, especially regarding IT troubleshooting time. So we give that one user OSX, ok fine. Now another user is more comfortable in Linux, the next AIX, the next Solaris, the next FreeBSD. So what's the cut off? Limit users to only OSX or Windows? Now what, the other users aren't "happy" because they can't use their OS of choice?
Please actually use the OS before you say anything about it. Assuming there is no hardware issues, 2000 and XP are absolutely rock solid.
Hi there
My company have announced they're scrapping our macs (boo hiss!)
I need to know what features are absolutely unique to a mac, to make a great case for getting mac upgrades.
The virus/stability argument won't wash with the company MD. I need to find other features. I think that multi-tasking is limited on a pc as is font management. Am I correct in saying this? And is there anything else anyone can chip in?
Thanks so much in advance. Save my life!
you will do just fine with today's windows running pcs...as long as you have updated anti-virus and anti-spam software
i started as a mac user in '93 and then became a certified pc tech in '99 and did dell, compaq, and apple warranty work and in the earlier years the macs kicked the heck out of the dells and compaqs
but today, both machines use the same dual core intel chips, chipsets, and the dells and compaqs, and other pcs have become smarter and sturdier overall with their industrial design than old school pcs
and windows xp and vista have become better than the older versions of windows, much of the improvement and ease of use coming from virtually copying os x
also, there have been and are more pc companies getting some better and tougher industrial designs on their hardware by copying apple inc
apple definitely still leads the way in everything, but a pc from just about any company will work well and be easy to use...don't worry, you will catch on quickly
i hope this helps
lol
barbara is actually more akin to a beige pc running windows 95...today's pc would be like one of w's daughters...not bad really, and somewhat ok to look at
but the mac is still the stunning cameron diaz, and the one who walks the red carpet