iPad Pro What Can't you do on your iPad Pro ?

Discussion in 'iPad' started by TheRealAlex, Feb 23, 2017.

  1. OddMacFan macrumors newbie

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    Unfortunately, the issue isn’t learning new workflows, the issue is that the available workflows on the iPad are generally terribly inefficient when compared with a desktop operating system. There are some things which I think are better—for example, I think it’s easier to focus on a particular task without distractions; I actually like Split View for working with two windows or apps; and certain things like iCloud Keychain, autofill, and similar features appear to be more polished and less glitchy than on macOS. If iOS on the iPad provided more core system services to the end user—like a file manager, cursor support, and a decent printing system—that would do wonders for productivity.

    I’m fairly sure that I know most of the tricks. Multitouch to select multiple elements doesn’t work when you’re trying to select a diagram on a slide, and that diagram contains maybe 20-30 tiny lines and other elements which aren’t grouped together. You can’t even select them to group them and then move the grouped element. Sometimes, there are text boxes or other elements which aren’t easily visible or mostly overlap other elements, so you might select *most* of the elements but miss some which you now have to fix. Even if you could figure out a way to zoom in to all of the elements while simultaneously holding down the first touch to select everything that way, it would take exponentially longer than a 2 second click & drag to select just what you want with the mouse or trackpad on a laptop. Also, PowerPoint on iOS apparently doesn’t permit you to select multiple slides to move or delete—you have to do it one at a time.

    I am somewhat amused by the number of folks complaining that they can’t run software development workloads on the iPad. I would never even suspect that an iPad (or any type of tablet PC) would be the proper device for that type of work. However, that is not the work that most folks are using desktops or laptops to accomplish. My point above is meant to illustrate that even rather simple office-type business tasks can’t be efficiently completed on the iPad, or can’t be completed on the iPad at all.

    With regard to the iPhone, I’m not sure how people use them for any significant work apart from email and texting. When I had the iPad 3 LTE, I carried a flip phone. I now have an iPhone, which is with me all the time and lets me do much more in a pinch—but anything that the iPhone can do, the iPad can generally do better because of the larger screen. However, the iPad is a minor and not a major upgrade from the phone, because the core functionality is basically the same. Think about how crazy it is that you are suggesting using *two* devices to copy and paste between documents of the same application. That’s just another symptom of the rather severe limitations of iOS versus a desktop operating system (and assuming I have all documents stored on one device, it isn’t super convenient, either).

    Again, I do like the iPad, but I sure wish that Apple would considerably enhance the capabilities of iOS on the iPad platform.
     
  2. subjonas macrumors 68000

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    If it’s going to be used rarely and just for those purposes, I personally wouldn’t waste the money on a pencil. I’d just get a cheap $5 stylus.
     
  3. Mayanja macrumors member

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    I cannot:

    • Create paragraph styles in MS Word - use them yes, create/edit no
    • Move photo albums into a folder
    • Add custom MP3s to Music
    • Move playlists in Music around and add them to folders
    • Change the colour of a tag in Files
    • Organise folders in Notes
    • Delete a calendar invite without notifying the sender
    • Assign keywords and titles to photos
    • Create smart mailboxes in Mail
    • Change MP3 tags for music in Music
    • Create smart playlists in Music
    • Open 2 word documents in Word side by side
    • Create contact groups and assign contacts to them
    • Compress a Keynote document
    • See file extensions in Files
    Just some random examples
     
  4. Hanson Eigilson macrumors regular

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    I just can't seem to do anything but the most base productivity tasks effectively on an iPad, and even for that it's annoying and cumbersome to work with.
    IMO it's mostly good for small kids that doesn't have academic ambitions, old people that just cant figure anything out, Netflix and doodles, sorry.
     
  5. OddMacFan macrumors newbie

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    There might be other occasional uses, but I’m not an artist or someone who would use the Pencil as part of a daily workflow. On the other hand, I’ve not found the rubber-tipped cheap styli to work well enough to warrant carrying them around. The Pencil does work well, but I prefer to type when I can.

    I thought about sacrificing the Pencil and putting that money toward the iPP 11, but for all the testing I’ve done with the 11, I just can’t convince myself that it’s worth another $250 over what I paid for the 10.5 (and I’d be going from 256G to 64G of local storage.)
     
  6. ahostmadsen macrumors 6502a

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    That is exactly what I have achieved with my iPad pro. Right now I have a 15" MBP for office use, a 12" MB for travel and then an 11" iPad Pro. With updates in iOS and especially app updates, I'm now at the point where I can use my iPad pro for 95% of what I do. That is enough to bring neither my MBP or MB when I'm away from the office. For the last 5% I can use my MBP, and I will probably not replace the 12" MB when it gets too outdated.
     
  7. MyopicPaideia macrumors 68000

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    Just want to be clear that I am not trying to be an iPad apologist here, and am fully on board with most of the things people have frustrations with or the limitations.

    I have found, for me personally, that on the few occasions where I need it, that using the iPad as a thin client terminal via Remote Desktop has been awesome (Microsoft RDP and Jump Desktop) and every bit as productive as natively running W10 or macOS 10.14.

    This is where my usage lies - I don't expect the iPad to replace my 27" iMac and Lacie Big 5 20TB RAID setup, or my corporate W10 virtual desktop.

    What I do expect it to do is replace my 13" MBP that I used to access those systems anyway. So I get the much more intuitive and enjoyable, and yes, pretty magical, experience of the iPad multitouch tablet experience, along with the "traditional" computing experience when I need it.

    That's the real power flexibility for me - the beauty of iPad is that it actually can be both.
     
  8. iPadified macrumors regular

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    Some of my need such as 3D rendering will likely never be met by the iPad hardware while 3D modelling would. However, I benchedmarked video export from keynote and surprisingly, the export was quicker on my iPad 1 Pro Gen than on an 8-core mac pro!

    My biggest concern is not be able to open two instances of the same app. The workarounds in each app such a PDF expert and notability is different and it would be far easier with as system wide approach. Marking text could be much easier as well: Imaging the two finger curser to move to desired text, drop a third finger and drag to make a selection. The two fingers to cursor could be systemwide as well and not only when the keyboard is up making it easier to select other things such as files, pixels in images or whatever else. What is also irritating is navigating in text without and arrow keys. Make these in the software keyboard.


    No need to be offensive or superior over iPad users as it makes the debate climate bad. I am certainly not a kid and I am an academic at at university which indicate quite strongly that I have some academic ambitions. I use an iPad every day for note taking, giving lectures, reading and annotating theses, making keynote presentation, travelling etc because it is more convenient and rapid to use compared to using my mac. An arrogant poster would claim that this is not "real work" as it is mostly consumption of material produced by others.
     
  9. Hanson Eigilson macrumors regular

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    I'm not saying your job belongs in "old people, Netflix and doodles" categories, your job is important I'm certain.
    But I am saying that it's the strong sides of the iPad as it is now, and possibly those strong sides come through for your job in convenient consumption, fast doodles and not much hassle or cognitive load doing it.

    For kids with academic ambitions it's just a dodgy proposition to go the iPad way, but it's better than trying to manage with just your phone I guess. For most if not all productivity heavy work the iPad is just a sad story.

    Where the iPad does better is very tailored applications, that holds the hands of confused users and steer them right, there is a lot less cognitive load and that is a large advantage for people where cognitive load might be a special challenge. But that is not the way it is marketed, and it is not the way fans present it.
     
  10. jeremiah256 macrumors 65816

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    You know, I'm so desperate for mouse/trackpad support on iOS (I love the tablet form factor), I'd even accept limited "Only in Our Garden®" support. Meaning, no mouse or trackpad support is enabled unless you are remoting back into a macOS computer. I'd take it. Hell, 'Back to My Mac' for proper Excel support? Being able to sit in a café and run Visual Studio Code or XCode? Forget merely acceptance, I'd cheer and weep with joy.

    It would keep the iPad an iPad for the contingent that don't want the iOS experience to be denegrated by anything that distracts from the touch first user experience.

    It would provide a viable solution for those of us that also love iOS, but need mouse/trackpad support for those types of applications that are extremely difficult to optimize for touch.

    It would further strengthen the Apple ecosystem without weakening either iOS or macOS.

    I call this The Great Compromise of 2019. May it come to pass and may Jobs bless iOS 13.
     
  11. sparksd macrumors 68000

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    That functionality is essentially available now with Jump Desktop and the Citrix Mouse. I don't see it as a compromise at all.
     
  12. jeremiah256 macrumors 65816

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    I know. I'd just like to see it as part of iOS without additional purchases of software and special hardware.
     
  13. sparksd macrumors 68000

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    ah, but I think most people looking for iOS mouse support are looking for that support for use with local applications.
     
  14. jeremiah256 macrumors 65816

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    I'd love for that, too. But, I don't see Apple being in the mood to make any drastic moves in 2019. By the way, can the Citrix X1 Mouse be used as a regular mouse (PC or Mac)?
     
  15. sparksd macrumors 68000

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    I don’t think it can as it interfaces with the Citrix Receiver running on iOS.
     
  16. jeremiah256 macrumors 65816

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    Thanks - I never looked too deeply into either the Citrix X1 or Jump Desk before since my Mac is always in sleep mode if I'm not at home. But, I'm also on the move more lately so I may need to do give them another look.
     

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