iPad Pro What Can't you do on your iPad Pro ?

Discussion in 'iPad' started by TheRealAlex, Feb 23, 2017.

  1. simplynando macrumors 6502

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    I actually use Plex to stream some movies I have ripped on my Mac. I just can't use Plex with music as seamlessly as i do with iTunes (like Siri integration with the Music app, links opening Apple Music/iTunes, etc.)
     
  2. cipher29 macrumors regular

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    Can't import music into music that's not on Apple Music (purchased mp3's etc).. Can't work on two word docs or two excel docs at the same time.. I'm often juggling multiple word/excel docs throughout the day and this is a nightmare on the iPad..
     
  3. subjonas macrumors 68000

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    What a coincidence, I just posted on another thread about side by side docs. I agree, that’s a huge weakness of iOS/iPad. But I put at least half the blame on developers for that:
    https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ipad-as-a-laptop-replacement.1937134/page-57#post-27060831
     
  4. Chingompiew, Feb 6, 2019
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    It’s great that you can use your ipad seamlessly like a word processor. But think about that, my $1000 iPad pro 12.9 is the same in functionality as yours, and that pretty much all it is; an expensive word processor and facebook viewing machine. Although its capable of full on music production apple limits it intentionally to avoid cannabalizing its PC market.

    I
    1) Can’t even browse photos in high resolution on any browser like you can on a computer. IPad only displays low resolution pics on browsing. You have to visit the website to get the high resolution image. I’ve challenged several employees at Apple stores to find the setting that changes that: it doesn’t exist. You can only browse in low resolution even on my 12.9” iPad pro. Absolutly pointless.

    2) can’t transfer pictures (or any files really) without a loophole.
    I cant even transfer pictures to my mac without using a stupid loophole like google drive (5-6 pics at a time) or email them 25Mb at a time. Airdrop is useless, works maybe %10 of the time, and icloud drive is useless because apple doesn't allow you to manually select and upload the photos you want. You have to sync the entire damned thing.

    3) cant display your webpage thats not on the web.
    4) can’t even transfer html css java script files onto coding apps to edit or view them: absolutly ridiculous.

    I’ve been building a webpage but I have to use my mac because it’s not exactly a smooth process on the ipad. And the .html and css files that I save on icloud...I cant even view them on the ipad. Sure it’ll display the text, but no pictures or anything else including formatting(since it doesnt recognise the included css file).
    Even though the pictures and folders all properly located.

    5) You can’t drag and drop the html files or even images onto safari or firefox or chrome even in dual app mode. And theres no option to open the html file with safari or firefox. You can configure it to show the option to open it with chrome, but when you try it chrome can’t do it. It’s ridiculous that such basic functions easily done on every computer since the 1990’s are not possible on an $1000 iPad pro.

    The iPad is powerful enough to do absolutly anything. If it can render video it can do absolutely anything else. but apple wont let it.

    6) I can’t even copy and paste this response that I’m writing. Maybe I could if I had a keyboard attached...

    The current computer age strongly resembles the cell phone market before Steve Jobs introduced the iPhone. Makers were selling hundres of models, all with different features but none with all the features that you NEEDED. they purposely omitted neccessary functions on different models to force people to buy all sorts of almost able phones.

    I remeber thinking that I wished a company would just put all the damned features onto one device so we woukdn’ have to own so many different devices (phone, camera, mp3, internet etc) Then Steve Jobs came along and did it. The rest is history as the other cell phone companies crashed and burned a deserving death for screwing its customers for so long.

    I believe that Apples market share would actually go up if they cannabalized half their product line with an iPad that could do anything a regular computer could do. People would start migrating from Windows again like they did during Steve Jobs reign. And there would be migrants from android as well.

    The current product line is stupid and too many...we’ve seen this before and the outcome wasn't good. But this time Steve Jobs isn’t around to save Apple.
     
  5. JTBing macrumors member

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    With sincere respect, the fact that you can't copy and paste on the iPad Pro makes me doubt your other judgements regarding its limitations.
     
  6. PeterJP macrumors 6502

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    I'll actually be migrating from Android. Why? Except for a few el cheapo tablets and a few Samsung ones that get at most two, usually one OS update, the Android market is dead. The traditional tablet market that Apple invented, is dead. There's only silly stupid consumption devices left.

    At the same time, the high end has opened up with Windows tablets that are actually full PCs. The iPad is moving in that direction but it isn't there yet. But it has most potential for two reasons. First, it isn't Windows. While Windows tablets can run all the applications, do you really want to use standard Windows Photoshop with your fingers or a stylus? Granted, you can attach your favourite accessories and use it like a normal pc. But then you have a two-headed device, which I find weird.

    Second, theiPad is a mobile-first device. That makes it practical to use in ad-hoc situations where a normal pc isn't practical, e.g when commuting or in meetings. It needs to catch up on the normal computing side, but I'm hopeful Apple will do this step by step. The fact that they replaced their holy proprietary Lightning connector with USB-C seems to point in that direction.

    So yeah, there's plenty that's not possible on the iPad. But frankly I hope they don't copy everything PC because it would take away a large part of why the iPad is such a good device.
     
  7. secretk macrumors 6502

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    It depends on the meetings you have. iPads for me do not serve good purpose when in meetings. Sure I can use it as a digital notebook and this is where it starts and ends for me. I can't share my screen properly. Having paid apps and AirPlay is not an option. It's about HDMI. I can hook up external monitor (to the new iPads Pro) but this is not useful as I need to look at the iPad to navigate.

    I am Software team lead. I work with huge Excel files, multiple Office documents in the same time and I need access to the code during meetings. The iPad (while portable) cannot serve my needs. 13.3 inch laptop can. And if you have 13.3 inch laptop that is 2 in 1 I can use it as a digital notebook (which is why I bought the iPad in the first place) and to access everything else I need.

    In fact I was just given 14 inch touchscreen laptop and now I use my iPad even less during meetings. I now use the iPad for brainstorming and scribbling. The 14 inch laptop is portable enough, powerful enough for my needs, has touch screen, touch pad and it has keyboard comfortable for fast typing. This is what I need during meetings.

    Just an example for meetings I have. We plan tasks for 6 months in advance. I need to know who of my team is available when for what. I keep this information in Excel file. On the other hand I need a place to keep my notes for the tasks being discussed. On a laptop I will just have two apps open and I will switch easily with the mouse or the trackpad. Switching between apps on an iPad is slower operation. Working with big Excel files (over 50 columns) with iPad is a nightmare. During those meetings I also need to check the tasks we discuss in the tracking system (using browser) and read their description so that I can give good estimation in days. Another app on iPad and me having to switch. I also need to coordinate with others via chat for some of the discussions. So just for a simple meeting I need to use constantly 4 apps and the iPad is just not good for switching like that. The mobile devices expect you to use only one app at a time (and only one file). Something that is never the case for me.
     
  8. PeterJP macrumors 6502

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    Yes, you're absolutely right that that is quite impossible on iPads. I don't feel like the iPad is made for that. I come from the PDA era (sounds like a time traveler). PDAs for me were productivity tools that allow me to do a lot, in a simple way. The iPad lives very much in that tradition.

    I'm looking at the iPad for note taking, organising (Trello!), mail and to look up info, either existing (documents, local or cloud, ...) or new (web). I'm using an Android tablet for that at the moment and boy, compared to even a basic iPad, it's extremely limited. But when you compare to the work you mention, yes, the iPad can't do it all. I will keep my mac for such tasks (and VMs) as well, but I'm hoping that I can leave it in the office and reduce what I need to carry around.
     
  9. secretk macrumors 6502

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    Yeah maybe we should just specify what is the purpose of a device like the iPad. Maybe you are right that the iPad is not supposed to be used for such cases and there is no need to push for iOS to do this. This way people like me would just know to never expect this from iOS/iPads.

    I love using the iPad for note taking. I did not have portable company laptop the last few months and I was using the iPad for note taking in meetings. Problem is now I have the laptop and I don't want to carry around both the iPad and the laptop. And since the laptop is covering more of my needs I most probably will end up not using the iPad even for notes taking (as I can still type notes in OneNote using the laptop).

    This is why I have wanted so much the iPad to be more than what it is currently because I knew that the moment I get portable laptop with touch screen I will just forget about the iPad.

    And then there is the price. For the price Apple expects me as a consumer to pay for the new iPad Pros I do expect them to offer me a device that can do what my laptop can (because honestly the prices are comparable to quite expensive modern laptops). Luckily there is the basic iPad model that I use.
     
  10. PeterJP macrumors 6502

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    This. I also don't want to lug around both. My rMBP 13" is already 1,5kg without charger. Add my 800gr tablet (I borrowed it from my 8 year old son so it's heavily pantsered) and it's starting to weigh. I still need to carry a notebook, lunch, and more. And my commute involves bicycle - train (sometimes changing between two trains) - more bicycle. So I really appreciate a small, light bag that I can just throw around without feeling the weight. If I can do most on an iPad, I can probably leave the rMBP at work and drop the notebook.

    Well, I don't fully agree. I just looked up the Psion 5 PDA that I had. It launched 22 years ago at a price of 500 pounds. That's at least €1000 in current prices. The situation is different now, because we can get an el-cheapo Android tablet for €150 or so. But I'm looking to buy a tool for work. The iPP 11 at €830 (Amazon) is quite a bit less than the €2500 I paid for my mac 5 years ago. It's more than the el-cheapo Android tablets, but it can do a *lot* more. Even the Galaxy Tab S 4 WiFi costs €600 and the Android it runs is basically phone software, scaled. In that context, €360 for a regular iPad is a steal. Shame the pen etc are so expensive, though.
     
  11. secretk, Feb 7, 2019
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    I bolded this sentence because for me is not just do most, but also do the most important. In other words if I can do 90 % of the stuff on an iPad but I have 10 % that I can't it's really important to know how important those 10 are for me. If I do that 10 % of the work in 90 % of my time than the iPad is not the option for me. Unfortunately this is where I am at currently.

    If you consider only Apple laptops then yes. I don't. I consider Windows laptops as I have no issues with Windows. My Asus laptop that I bought last year is the same price as the new iPad Pros (considering the price in my country :)). However my Asus laptop has 1 TB HDD, 512 SSD, two slots for RAM and supports up to 32 GB RAM, i7 CPU, discrete NVIDA 1050 video card and has both HDMI and thunderbolt. And my laptop (despite being 15.6 inch) weights under 2 kg. I love my laptop and honestly at home my laptop is my preferred device over the iPad even for media consumption. It has great big IPS display and it's quite comfortable for usage in bed. The fact that I can change the SSD and upgrade the RAM is a deal breaker for me too.
     
  12. cdcastillo macrumors 6502a

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    I can't read EEGs
     
  13. Robnsn2015 macrumors 6502

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    I have had the first-generation iPad Pro since 2015. Here are some things I can't do with it.

    1. MS Office's Format Painter functionality is missing from iPad.
    2. Linux. Even Microsoft has Linux Subsystem for Windows.
    3. DemandTools or DupeBlocker for Salesforce.com (Are there any SFDC tools that work on iPad?).
    4. Power BI (can't do that on a Mac, either).
    5. Tableau (available for Mac and Windows)
    6. Visual Studio (now available for Mac as well as Windows)
    7. Anything that requires a non-mobile version of a web browser.
    8. Anything that requires me to plug in a random USB drive that doesn't have a special app for managing it.
    9. Anything that requires me to plug in a scanner. Yes, you can use the iPad's camera to scan, but a multi-page two-sided scanner is much more efficient.
    10. Anything that requires me to connect to an office's Active Directory.

    As far as battery life, always-on, and built-in LTE are concerned -- it looks like Microsoft and Qualcomm are working on solutions as their Snapdragon-based Windows machines mature. In the meantime, it looks like Surface Pro is adequate.

    Meanwhile, my iPad Pro is being used less and less. It currently sits on a shelf.
     
  14. MyopicPaideia macrumors 68000

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    All of your issues are solved by one app on the iPad. It’s called Microsoft RDP, and you can even use a mouse with it. Leave the configure a stationary desktop or have your work create a virtual desktop for you and then you are all set.

    Also, Power BI has an iOS app:
    https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-power-bi/id929738808?mt=8

    So does Tableau:
    https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tableau-mobile/id434633927?mt=8
     
  15. Greenmeenie macrumors 65816

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    Have you tried Luma Fusion on the ipad? It is AMAZING. Hoping with the upcoming release of Photoshop for the ipad that Apple announces Final Cut Pro too.
     
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    Pinch “out” (zooming into) the document on the iPad. :)
     
  17. Robnsn2015 macrumors 6502

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    Thanks, you cannot develop Power BI or Tableau visualizations on iOS. You can only consume them.

    Also, by using RDP, you are essentially using a Windows computer, albeit remotely. You could just cut out the middle man and just get a Windows machine. There are many that are pretty light and have good battery life.
     
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    Should note that MS RDP server does not work with Windows Home edition - has to be Pro or Enterprise.
     
  19. RevTEG macrumors 6502a

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    Honest question, why should Apple create systems for Microsoft and Linux subsystem functions? If I need things that my Apple based product can't do then I'll buy a Microsoft product. Although I think Apple does a pretty good job with Windows... It doesn't surprise me that my Chevy doesn't work with Ford systems. It's perfectly ok to not own an iPad. Maybe a Surface would meed your needs? We all have to use what works best for us.
     
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  21. Robnsn2015 macrumors 6502

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    But here's the problem: Apple has a product called an iPad Pro that they keep promoting as a replacement. However, I don't think it meets the need of most professions. It would be different if Apple had given the product another name and promoted it differently. But as it stands, the iPad Pro is misleading.
     
  22. RevTEG macrumors 6502a

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    I don’t disagree with you but I think using the word “most” could be a little subjective. I’ve completed a couple of degrees and would consider myself a professional in my field, which admittedly feels awkward to say, and the iPad fits my needs perfectly. I’ve found it very capable as a research, writing and presenting tool. It’s been extremely cool to use the Apple Pencil to draw diagrams of projects where language was a barrier. I will say this, my pros work the same as my earlier iPads, except for the pencil support. The same as my 12 inch MacBook works just like my 13 inch MacBook Pro. I’ve come to the conclusion that “pro” is a name that is subjective to the user. I would bet very high percentage of computer/iPad users have mostly simple needs.
     
  23. MyopicPaideia, Feb 7, 2019
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    My perspective is not having to try to make the iPad the only computing device you own, but rather making it the only portable one you need. The surface pro is a bad tablet and a mediocre laptop. The rMB is a nice little laptop, but doesn’t deliver, if a magical tablet experience is what you use most. The iPad, with RDP or Jump Desktop is actually a better laptop experience than the surface pro. If we’re talking about what the iPad can’t do, there isn’t really very much to talk about as long as you are not discussing about it in the context of being a solitary computing device. Combined with a RDP to either a physical Remote Desktop or a virtual environment on a server (or both!) it is a sickenly awesome capable device.
     
  24. MyopicPaideia, Feb 7, 2019
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    This is so true. The Pro moniker simply indicates higher spec hardware. This marketing speak is the origin of how the whole perspective of “pro” use gets skewed in relation to Apple products.

    The higher spec isn’t needed for most people outside of highly resource intense creative or IT professions...or gaming.

    (Ha, imagine if they called all their pro models “gamer” instead! MacBook Gamer, iMac Gamer, Mac Gamer, iPad Gamer ).

    However, technically, “most” professionals don’t fall into either of these 3 categories, and don’t need development tools like XCode or creative tools more powerful than Luma Fusion or Pixelmator, two pretty darn good layman’s tools if you ask me!

    The elegance of the iPad experience is its magical essence and if you could have two documents up in the same instance of an app, and the Files app was turned into the Finder app, then you’d have something super hard to beat for a big majority of professionals! (although as far as tablets go, there is nothing remotely close out there right now, which is why we have even hardcore windows users here debating the merits of the device)
     
  25. PeterJP macrumors 6502

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    Very interesting point of view. Thanks! Looking into making the iPad Pro my only portable, combined with other computers where I need them. A macbook pro with two screens, for example is far better for organising large sets of data. But collecting the data and doing the first sorting can be just as well done on the iPad. And it weighs only half (less, if I can leave my paper notebooks home too).

    The RDP/jump remark is definitely something I'll want to look into, too. I have a number o# possible use cases #or it. Just wondering how it'll look on the 11".
     

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