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markkk! said:
Wtf Oldsmobile Went Out Of Business.

This is a 3 year survey. Oldsmobile still made cars 3 years ago.

Here is the list in it's entirety...

JD Powers 3 year reliability survey.

This is different from their initial quality survey because it actually shows how well the vehicles hold up after a few years of use..

Lexus 136
Mercury 151
Buick 153
Cadillac 163
Toyota 179
Acura 184
Honda 194
Jaguar 210
BMW 212
Infiniti 215
Lincoln 220
Ford 224
Oldsmobile 224
Industry Average 227
Chrysler 232
Pontiac 232
Subaru 232
GMC 239
Mercedes-Benz 240
Chevrolet 241
Nissan 242
Mazda 243
Porsche 248
Hyundai 253
Dodge 258
Mitsubishi 260
Jeep 264
Volvo 272
Audi 279
MINI 280
Isuzu 283
Saturn 289
Volkswagen 299
HUMMER 307
Kia 310
Suzuki 318
Saab 326
Land Rover 438
 
Abercrombieboy said:
Land Rover 438

Thats my land rover. Why ever strive to make a mechanically and electrically sound car. Making sure your $45,000 - $90,000 vehicles can survive the harshest conditions on earth, spending hundreds of millions of dollars inventing testing your car in the sahara & Antarctica and developing ridiculous and useless technologies such as "terrain response" is very important to your everyday consumers in that about 99.7% of them will never take their car off road (maybe some 3rd or 4th owner 15 years from now will- but by that time the entire electrical system of the car will be fried and nothing will work. And no one can fix it because you're company will be out of business because a. No one wants an unreliable car, b. gas prices will be too high and when you get 14mpg in the car on the highway, no one will be able to afford it, and c. parts will cost even more than they already do).

You test the car to make sure it is capable off road, but did you ever test and develop the car so it would actually work without a f***ing door lock, window, air suspension part, sensor, or electrical motor breaking every week. Jesus, you need to manage your money a little better.

<end random outburst rant directed to Land Rover>

I can support the reliability rating of this car. I love our discovery, but it is a piece of crap when it comes to reliability. They are very cool cars, very interesting driving position, and somewhat rare. That said, I want my mom to get an LR3.
 
Go with the audi.
Safety wise it would be a great first car. Depending on which model you get, you still will have a lot of "get up and go". Plus the upgrade options for the A4 are almost endless. Plus you get a fly car in general.
-dsm
 
Hector said:
SUV's are just not safer in any way shape or form, if you hit annother SUV you'd screwed no matter what, with a huge care you have more momentum and it takes more to stop you doing more damage.

It's not really the weight of SUV's that are the problem (many cars are just as heavy, some heavier).

What poses a greater risk to cars when in a collision with an SUV is that the crumple zones are out of alignment, because SUV's are higher, the crumples zones of an SUV do not 'impact' with those of a car.

As I understand it, speaking on the topic to car designer friends of mine, this is something that they're addressing with the next generations of SUV's (and cars too) so that the potential survivability of such accidents are much higher.

Though they should really consider making independent (as opposed to solid beam) suspension the legal requirement for SUV's, solid beams are inherently less stable, particularly on taller vehicles with higher centres of gravity.
 
jakochampolska said:
it isnt but its a new car, and I would just feel terriable if I got into a wreck and messed it up.

I think you'd feel only 'marginally' less terrible if you wrote off either of the other 3. ;)
 
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