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What does iOS have on Android now?

abz1981 said:
I dont think we can really compare samsungs latest mobile running on android with last years's apple iphone 4.
Lets wait till the new iphone 5 comes or iphone 4gs and then make comparisons.
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Thats funny :) . All of a sudden the year-old iphone4 is old tech and not a fair comparison to current phones? Is that a round-about way of saying that the iphone4 is inferior to current phones? Lol :D. Its is absolutely hilarious the way that Apple's marketing turns certain people into politicians.


YMark said:
I have a Samsung Vibrant and can't wait to get rid of the POS. Battery life is dreadful and the OS (custom ROM) is still very green. I have a Touch and using IOS is much more pleasant than using Android. Changing ROMs, themes, etc is a huge PITA. Widgets? Overrated and battery hogs. I can look outside and see if it's raining.
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I have a Vibrant, and I can probably give you a few tips.
Your battery sucks because you leave it on the charger it while it is on.
I used to do the same thing but then I bought a spare battery and an external charger.
The old battery (which was abused) lasts me less than a day. The new battery lasts me more than a day.
The proper method of avoid degradation is to fully charge it (on a charger or while the phone is off) and to not charge it again until you have used all the power it has.
I have also gotten in the habit of carrying a spare battery in my pocket just in case. There is no point to having a user-replaceable battery if you never replace it.
No, your Vibrant won't last as long as the iphon34 on a single charge.
The flip-side is that after both phones run out of power, you don't have to leave your Vibrant plugged into a wall socket for 3 hours. Insert new battery and go about your business.

I currently use my abused battery during the day when I have the phone plugged in and tether it to my tablet. I keep four spare batteries:
- 1 stays in my pocket with my phone
- 1 stays on the external charger at home
- 2 stay as back up in case I need to use the phone a lot and am not anywhere long enough to charge the dead ones (like when I am on long car trips or out snowboarding/motorcycling all day).
 
Tarzanman said:
Thats funny :) . All of a sudden the year-old iphone4 is old tech and not a fair comparison to current phones? Is that a round-about way of saying that the iphone4 is inferior to current phones? Lol :D. Its is absolutely hilarious the way that Apple's marketing turns certain people into politicians.
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Lol it's funny how anti apple attitudes turn people into Special Forces members.

What's your position in the Droid Army soldier?! What's your ranking!?

I think the point he and others made is completely valid. If you're trying to dethrone iPhone using the GS2, you have to compare it to the one released at the same time as it. GS2 is coming now, next iPhone is coming now. Compare those.
 
Tarzanman said:
Thats funny :) . All of a sudden the year-old iphone4 is old tech and not a fair comparison to current phones? Is that a round-about way of saying that the iphone4 is inferior to current phones? Lol :D. Its is absolutely hilarious the way that Apple's marketing turns certain people into politicians.
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That's actually not even hilarious. It's more funny that you think you're being rational and reasonable in comparing phones released a year apart. And if 1 year wasn't considered a substantial lifecycle for phones then why would Apple release a new iPhone every year? (Not to mention the "new" Android phones that are released ever 3-4 minutes.)
 
Bobby Corwen said:
Lol it's funny how anti apple attitudes turn people into Special Forces members.

What's your position in the Droid Army soldier?! What's your ranking!?

I think the point he and others made is completely valid. If you're trying to dethrone iPhone using the GS2, you have to compare it to the one released at the same time as it. GS2 is coming now, next iPhone is coming now. Compare those.
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GS2 is already out, next iphone isn't, how can you compare them?
 
ABernardoJr said:
That's actually not even hilarious. It's more funny that you think you're being rational and reasonable in comparing phones released a year apart. And if 1 year wasn't considered a substantial lifecycle for phones then why would Apple release a new iPhone every year? (Not to mention the "new" Android phones that are released ever 3-4 minutes.)
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One year is a very substantial lifecycle. Unfortunately Apple limits itself to once a year and even then the upgrades aren't really that substantial. Since the original iPhone (and Touch for that matter) Apple made their stuff faster (every generation of hardware is expected to be faster), improved the resolution of a small screen (it's very nice, but really... that's as expected as faster processors and more memory), and added a camera (or two in the case of the Touch). The iOS upgrades have been pretty dull from version to version.

Apple seems to change their stuff *just* enough every year to get people to upgrade without adding much in terms of real innovation. They do *very* innovative first versions and then coast as they've moved from iPhone to Touch to iPad.

Just for the record (before anyone jumps on it).. iCloud? No big innovation. People have been talking about the "Year of the cloud" for years now. Depending on what the business relationships with music and movie companies, there might be some conveniences, but nothing technologically innovative (hardware or software). The cloud is just storage and access. I'm hoping for something more impressive from iOS5, but I've been disappointed every other release.

It will be interesting to see if Apple can continue at the current glacial pace of advancement. Apple may be forced to update more frequently because while a 1 year lifecycle seems long now, it will seem absurd in the future (from a *marketing* perspective). From a more reasonable perspective it's still just a phone/gadget, so the real useful life of the thing should be longer than a year, particularly considering it's not cheap.
 
ImperialX said:
That's why you get spare batteries for $20 each. They are 1800 mAh and better than the iphone.

Also, you should get root and gery stock Android, or use a custom rom.

Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk
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LOL...Nice. I get a new phone expecting it to last the day, but because I didn't root it, install a custom ROM, and change the bootloader, AND buy an extra battery I'm out of luck? Please!

1% - 3% of those buying an Android based device will even do that. The remaining 97% - 99% will continue to use it reluctantly. I've talked to enough people that have returned various Android handsets for that very reason. They ended with another Android handset, hoping for better performance, but they didn't ROOT it, or do anything like that...sorry, it's just not something the AVERAGE consumer will do...
 
Apple released yearly updates to their phones for the simple reason that it increased sales.

People who already had an iphone now had a reason to give apple more money for a new one and the older models got cheaper or were sold private party to new customers who didn't have iphones previously (these people still pay for data and buy apps & music).

If anything, I think that Apple's hardware cycle will SLOW DOWN in the face of competition.

One year is actually a pretty fast pace for hardware. As I said before, there is now less money in the yearly-upgrade game because smartphones are EVERYWHERE. The newer phones still cost $200, but you can get older ones that do almost everything the new ones can for $50-$100.

Apple knows that they have to catch up, but the only way to do that is to take the time they need to make sure that their R&D investments are spent wisely.

The pace of Android phones will also slow down. Their growth is starting to taper off already.

Things won't get really interesting until HP/WebOS and windows phone 7 really get going.... and I am hoping that Blackberry can strike back with some amazing stuff.
 
Shockwave78 said:
Are you some type of moron or something? The iphone 4 was released last June, when did the Galaxy 2 come out?
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I agree with you. The iP4 is now an older phone. However, the iPhone had a two year head start on Android and now Apple is playing catchup already. Even if the next iPhone pulls Apple even again...which it may not, ..from here on out Apple will be falling more and more behind because of their 1 phone and major upgrade OS per year policy.
 
Tarzanman said:
The pace of Android phones will also slow down. Their growth is starting to taper off already.
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I tend to disagree. The market share is leveling off because, partially because Android users are upgrading their Android phones. Android phones seem to be coming out at an even faster lately. Android phone development will probably have to advance faster because they will have to compete against each other on hardware and extra features. I hope they come out with some interesting things that push Apple more than it has been. We've already seen competitors come out with inductive charging, WebOS has some nice synching options, Android has better notifications and other features going for it.

People underestimate Android. It's taken the #1 smartphone OS spot *despite* not having the "hot" phone. Android has made very large strides over just the last year. I've read people here say "Yeah, but they don't have as many apps." They've developed a lot of apps very quickly if you consider that Google had to start from a developer base of ZERO. Apple had a very loyal developer/fan base with people familiar with Objective C and the dev tools. They had the dev infrastructure in place. Google had almost nothing that way.

When Apple created the iPad, those developers were already quite comfortable with the platform and the migration to larger screen was easy. Developer's for Android had to deal with a platform in flux trying to catch up both in the mobile platform and trying to grow into a tablet OS too. Most of that catch-up (from an OS perspective) is there now. The iPad (and the whole tablet market really) is less than two years old and Android tablets are popping up from multiple sources, also despite being developed on a "moving target" of an OS.

Apple's either going to have to accelerate their dev pace or do a LOT more innovating in their upgrade cycle than they have been. The other option is that they can simply count on their loyal Apple base to just stay loyal.
 
It a million ways, iPhone 4 + iOS is far better than any other handset + Android. Just sit down and use the thing for 5 minutes. One platform has crisp UI, the other runs like crap. One platform can go a week on light usage without a charge, the other needs to be charged every 24 hours. One has an app store full of awesome stuff, the other has an app store that's 10x smaller or more.

iPhone 4 is the best phone on the market and will be the best phone on the market until the day iPhone 4S / 5 ships.
 
Juan007 said:
It a million ways, iPhone 4 + iOS is far better than any other handset + Android. Just sit down and use the thing for 5 minutes. One platform has crisp UI, the other runs like crap. One platform can go a week on light usage without a charge, the other needs to be charged every 24 hours. One has an app store full of awesome stuff, the other has an app store that's 10x smaller or more.

iPhone 4 is the best phone on the market and will be the best phone on the market until the day iPhone 4S / 5 ships.
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Sigh. I've used iOS for a long time. I'm on my third Touch, I also have an iPad and now I have an iPhone 4. Before this I owned a very nice Android phone. My G2 easily went 4 days between charges and it ran very well. It never crashed and didn't feel at all sluggish to me. The form factor was more comfortable in my hand. I found comparable apps on Android for everything I do. Some (such as turn by turn navigation) were even better on Android. There are no shortage of apps for android. Besides, 95% of everything on the App store is a waste. Of course everyone's useful 5% varies. Multiply the app store count by 100, will you personally use 100 times as many apps? Nope.

There are things I miss about my old phone. There are things I prefer on my iPhone. There are things I don't like about my iPhone too. I've never found it "magical." The UI is cumbersome in some ways. I used to be able to speak into my G2 and just say "Bluetooth on" or "Wi-Fi On". Now I have to got through multiple clicks to do that. There's probably an app for that but searching for apps in the app store has become a pain. I used to be able to accept or reject calls from my lock screen. I won't even go into notifications because that's been discussed to death. I used to be able to set custom alert tones. It's annoying when I'm in a meeting and an Apple alert tone goes off and several people have to check if it's their device. I shouldn't have to go through the nonsense in iTunes to convert an MP3 to a ringtone. I used to be able to charge my phone and my Blue Tooth earpiece with the same charger. Since I use a Windows machine, there is no way I can change the order the pictures on my iOS machines. They stay in the order I added them. That's pretty lame, actually.

I'm happy with my iPhone right now but I don't think it's perfect. I get frustrated that iOS hasn't progressed more than it has since the first iPhone. I expected much more by now. When my contract is up in 2 years I'll decide whether I want to stay with iOS or go back to Android. I'll have fun comparing the two.
 
Originally Posted by ImperialX View Post
That's why you get spare batteries for $20 each. They are 1800 mAh and better than the iphone.

Also, you should get root and gery stock Android, or use a custom rom.

Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk
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$20 each? You need to look around. I got three extra batteries for my Vibrant shortly after it came out and they cost me $3.27 each on eBay.
 
To be honest I never take app store size seriously.

Its starting to sound like to guys argueing who is bigger...
 
Hueyfreeman said:
To be honest I never take app store size seriously.

Its starting to sound like to guys argueing who is bigger...
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Actually, that was kind of my point. There are plenty on both ... most of which any given person will consider uninteresting. How many stock trader, wine cellar, wi-fi locator or restaurant finder apps do you need?
 
Seeing how underwelmign ios V is i guess it has nothing on Android. A closed os can't compete with opensource.
 
anotherarunan said:
- apps (despite the hype, Android has nothing on iOS apps)
- itunes integration - for 95% of users - its quick, easy and convenient v Android. Especially with Samsung's AWFUL Kies software.
-support from apple etc

But yeah, Android is a pretty good alternative, for me i think it boils down to one question - Flash on the browser or widest choice of Apps

For me - i think phone wise, flash is less of a problem, but on a tablet device, Flash is a vital so I can see Android tablets eventually competing with the ipad.
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I would have agreed about the lack of flash about a year ago but it seems most websites have changed and I don't really notice it anymore.

I disagree about apps thought... the best and I mean best thing about android is Juicedefender... Can not imagine apple ever releasing this... I has made my Nexus One go from running out at about 2-3 in the afternoon to lasting all day...

Which that would come out on the iphone...
 
Android is so freaking overrated by all the anti-Apple fanbois. I got the best of Android in the Thunderbolt when it came out and all I really noticed was a bigger screen and miserable battery life. And a poor man's App Store.

I prefer premium hardware, great battery life, the multitude of apps the App Store provides, and simple integration with my laptop.

And Cydia provides me the ability to tweak the phone 100% to my liking (including all the fancy widgets that Android fanbois think make the entire OS).

Go buy your SG2. Enjoy it. No one here on MacRumors cares how you waste your money.
 
maflynn said:
The same thing could be said by apple-fanboys with iOS.
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True.

But while many Apple fanbois acknowledge the benefits of Android, they just prefer iOS over it and talk down on Android because of lag, lack of polish on the OS, or plenty of other reasons you can find on the web. Android fanbois talk like iOS is garbage, always referring to the 'lack of customization and features'. Which begs me to wonder if they are completely ignorant involuntarily or just trying to validate their point by skipping over Cydia's existence.
 
Well I just think iPhone has more refined features, whatever it does have works extremely well and consitently. The camera app is lackluster, but one feature that is incredibly important and overlooked is touch to focus for both photo and recording. This is something that stock Android does not have, especially touch to focusing WHILE recording is especially huge.

Granted not everyone might care but it's a subtle yet important feature. I realize Sense and TouchWiz have this or at least the newest ones do but you have to realize that the 3GS has had it since 2009...that's 2 years.

I'm just trying to say that you should just improve on whatever you do have and then worry about outlandish gimmicks, because at the moment right now Android has a good amount of features stock and/or overlayed phones (TouchWiz is my fav to be honest), but it lacks a lot of core functionality/stability that iOS provides.

In the end I choose iOS because it does what I want and it does it very well and to me that's what matters to me and I guess everyone has their different needs.

And as much as I hate to say it, SGS2 isn't a whole representation of Android...it's a small piece and compared to every other Android phone of course it's a beast, because the other 99% of Android phones sort of suck. Android is so 'wide' that it has it's very high points and very low points, while iOS is more grounded or whatever you call it, it's just itself and it just does what it does and the iPod Touch, iPhone and iPad are all perfect representations of the systems.

Fragmentation isn't phasing out old devices wether they are obsolete artificially, but when you have 2 or more devices being released at the same time and one of them is gimped artificially while the other is more free, I'm talking about how you have 'new' Android phones that are crappy while there are other new Android phones much better. Comparing an iPhone 3G and an iPhone 4 and calling it fragmented because a 2 year old phone doesn't have every feature it COULD most certainly have isn't necessarily the correct way to use the term as the device is being phased out in the end either way. Now I out of all people would love our phones to have infinite lives but in this world somethings just don't work in our way, it's pretty common knowledge that a phones 'corporate' life is 2 years.
 
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I think the agressive android fanboys don't consider cydia because it is not even a base feature. I see cydia exposing the flaws of iOS. If your users need to jail break their phone a to get the features they want that is a bad thing. Yes I know android users can root their phones but that does not add any new features to your phone. It allows you to take full control of tge os.

Also has the ipad two been jailbroken yet.
 
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