What does Retina look like to you?

[motoleo]

It is a nice phone. The nicest.

But I strongly believe that no one holds the iPhone 10+ inches. No matter what you're doing on the phone. It has to be close to your face. So it doesn't even meet the "12 inch retina standard" theory.

Show me evidence to support someone holding the phone farther than that.

 

[SurferMan]

After taking your argument in to consideration, I have determined that it sounds silly. Are you trying to tell me, that the director in these commercials, made the actors hold the iPhone closer to their face, just to get a better would be in the shot?

I won't have it.

You try taking a photo or play a game past 10 inches and I guarantee your hands will levitate back to your face like a magnet. Anyone who has read this thread is not looking at their iPhone the same way as before.

You know you see those pixels.



By that concept, they might as well call the iPhone 3G retina display, you won't see pixels if you hold it 30 inches away. I don't think distance should be a factor.

I don't know anybody that holds their phone that close to their face, I never hold any phone near that close to my face. I have better then 20/20 vision at 20/15.... btw your post doesn't make sense, pixelation of anything from tv's to phones only occurs when your straight up close to the screen. If your seeing pixelation like 10+ inches away, dude you have superman vision.

 

[lordofthereef]

It is a nice phone. The nicest.

But I strongly believe that no one holds the iPhone 10+ inches. No matter what you're doing on the phone. It has to be close to your face. So it doesn't even meet the "12 inch retina standard" theory.

Show me evidence to support someone holding the phone farther than that.

It's worth noting also that the pics you are posting are people using Siri. You actually need to move the phone closer to your face. This is actually pretty normal. There is a difference between that and actually reading something on the phone.

 

[jesslla]

You, OP, are one of the nit-pickiest persons I've ever "met" on the internet. Every thread of yours I've seen has been full of nonsense. Entertaining nonsense, but still nonsense.

I consistantly use my little 3.2 inch screen HTC Aria at least 10 inches away. While playing games, watching videos, taking photos, even surfing the web.

Those promo stills you linked to are just that, promo stills. They can't have people holding the phone like they normally would hold a phone to use it because it wouldn't fit in the frame properly. Yes, that's the sort of thing professional photographers and videographers think about.

 

[lordofthereef]

I searched "using iPhone" on Google. Here are the pics that came up. Hope they are good enough.

True, none of them are iPhone ads, but that is exactly the point.

 

[robbie12345]

looks like me seeing it through my own eyes

 

[motoleo]

I searched "using iPhone" on Google. Here are the pics that came up. Hope they are good enough.

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True, none of them are iPhone ads, but that is exactly the point.

That first royalty free picture is kinda sketchy, it doesn't even look like she's actually using a real phone. I'm still trying to rationalize this.

Give me one moment...

I guess it depends on your vision and what you're doing on it. But..

I think the data is inconclusive.

You, OP, are one of the nit-pickiest persons I've ever "met" on the internet. Every thread of yours I've seen has been full of nonsense. Entertaining nonsense, but still nonsense.

I consistantly use my little 3.2 inch screen HTC Aria at least 10 inches away. While playing games, watching videos, taking photos, even surfing the web.

Those promo stills you linked to are just that, promo stills. They can't have people holding the phone like they normally would hold a phone to use it because it wouldn't fit in the frame properly. Yes, that's the sort of thing professional photographers and videographers think about.

You make a point. I try to model the way I hold the phone like they do in the commercials. It never looks natural, but it looks good.

 

[lordofthereef]

So my first picture you disliked, your rebuttal was another single picture (where they are holding the phone farther than 5 inches but closer than 12) and that's it? Well, I knew this was pointless when I started, but now I think that's even more true now.

 

[motoleo]

I'm assessing...

OK. I've reassessed it and I have determined that any distance between 5-14 inches is within a comfortable range. The ideal distance may vary of course, but I can't say what most people do because I've seen it both ways.

But the real issue is with the "retina" screens it's just a moniker. People always say, "make this retina" or they advertise apps as "in retina display", I call BS on that.

 

[iSayuSay]

Um, thanks for trolling, but you couldn't be more wrong! How is the name "retina display" marketing BS for a display with a high enough pixel density that defies identifying individual pixels under normal use? If tablet maker X called it "super pixel", would that not also be marketing BS?

If you don't shorten a new feature into a form that trips off people's tongue, it won't be a selling feature for long, if at all.

Just in the interest of curiousity, what would you have called it?
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Excuse meeehhh??!! .. which part of my post you would call trolling, and wrong? .. Yes Retina Display is just marketing name for a high resolution display, why? You wanna praise it since Apple made the best name ever?

And if you so into detail .. Does high resolution display have something to do with your retina? Details is so high your retina gonna blow off, or it takes so many retinas to distinguish pixel, is that so?

Many trade mark is marketing BS so that it sounds cool when you hear it, Snapdragon CPU, can it snap a real dragon? AMOLED display, fullHD, Apple A5, Exynos ..

I don't really get your point of calling me trolling? or even that I'm wrong?

And what would I call it? I would call it HiDPI display instead, more honest, direct and descriptive .. less BS than Retina Display .. satisfied?

 

[AlexJaye]

Heaven, compared to other screens.

Well, maybe not that dramatic.

... no, it's that dramatic.

 

[motoleo]

Many trade mark is marketing BS so that it sounds cool when you hear it, Snapdragon CPU, can it snap a real dragon?

heh lol he said "Can it snap a real dragon." lmao

 

[Blue Monkey]

Heaven, compared to other screens.

Well, maybe not that dramatic.

... no, it's that dramatic.

Lol. I personally can't stand the Android OLED screens. The colors are just... off... to me. Maybe it's because I'm used to looking at a Mac screen all day.

 

[elfy]

Not true. But just try to view MacRumors.com in full webpage mode at beyond 10 inches. Just try!Image

Are you saying you want to have an entire webpage on your screen and be able to read it all without any problem? Not entirely sure if this thread is serious or not but whatever. It's a bigger screen you need, no amount of pixels on a 3.5 inch screen is going to make a bit of difference.

 

[motoleo]

Are you saying you want to have an entire webpage on your screen and be able to read it all without any problem?

I don't know. Maybe if I had a real retina screen, I probably could.

 

[JoeG4]

lol ,to the OP:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transflective_liquid_crystal_display

First used in those oldschool cellphones so you could easily see what was on the screen in daylight That may be the shimmer you're talking about right there (it's also a really nice IPS display, and that plays a huge role as well).

Most computers, including MacBook Pros, use really cheap TN LCDs that have lousy color reproduction and can't produce a decent color gamut. You really notice that because colors like #00FFFF are harder to look at on a cheap monitor.

*shrug*

High resolution screens are called HiDPI as well.

 

[boss.king]

I don't know. Maybe if I had a real retina screen, I probably could.

Retina is a marketing term. What is a "real retina screen" exactly? 400 PPI? 500 PPI? Your eyes wont be able to tell difference unless you're holding the phone at cornea-damagingly close range.

 

[motoleo]

Retina is a marketing term. What is a "real retina screen" exactly? 400 PPI? 500 PPI? Your eyes wont be able to tell difference unless you're holding the phone at cornea-damagingly close range.

How about 1,000,000,000 DPI?? It doesn't stop there. I tried to use the iPhone to view a 270 Gigapixel image, and it's terrible.

Retina display is literally, nothing. If you zoomed into the Eiffel Tower viewing a gigapixel image at 1,000,000,000 DPI, you would fall out of your seat, the picture is so clear. It would feel like you were flying.

You couldn't take it. That's what I want. We ain't seen nothing yet.

 

[QuarterSwede]

Retina is a marketing term. What is a "real retina screen" exactly? 400 PPI? 500 PPI? Your eyes wont be able to tell difference unless you're holding the phone at cornea-damagingly close range.

"Retina" may be a marketing term but it also has a measurable discernible meaning.

Great recent post on TUAW about it.

Relevant bit:

If Apple wanted to, the theory goes, it could just declare the current iPad to be a Retina display and be done with it.

I think this argument is asinine. Firstly, although Apple invented the term out of whole cloth, it does offer a definition: the Retina display's pixel density is so high, your eye is unable to distinguish individual pixels." That has meaning, and if Apple were to weaselly dilute the definition for the sake of marketing some future product I think we should absolutely hold its feet to the fire.

Empahsis mine.

 

[superstrikertwo]

How about 1,000,000,000 DPI?? It doesn't stop there. I tried to use the iPhone to view a 270 Gigapixel image, and it's terrible.

Retina display is literally, nothing. If you zoomed into the Eiffel Tower viewing a gigapixel image at 1,000,000,000 DPI, you would fall out of your seat, the picture is so clear. It would feel like you were flying.

You couldn't take it. That's what I want. We ain't seen nothing yet.

First you go from saying the display is amazing and now you say it's terrible...

 

[motoleo]

First you go from saying the display is amazing and now you say it's terrible...

Put your iPhone up to the computer screen and try to match it up with their Retina claims.

They way they market it on the website is deceiving.

No one here can say they what they're seeing on the iPhone's screen is that clear.

http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/retina-display.html

 

[PNutts]

It's like my eyes can see every little small pixel.

Screen protector?

 

[boss.king]

How about 1,000,000,000 DPI?? It doesn't stop there. I tried to use the iPhone to view a 270 Gigapixel image, and it's terrible.

And that seemed like a smart idea to you?

Retina display is literally, nothing. If you zoomed into the Eiffel Tower viewing a gigapixel image at 1,000,000,000 DPI, you would fall out of your seat, the picture is so clear. It would feel like you were flying.

You couldn't take it. That's what I want. We ain't seen nothing yet.

Well that seems stupid. Do you know what resolution would that be? (it's just under 96000x64000 ) Do you have any idea what sort of hardware they would need to support something like that? And for such minimal gains in quality? If you're asking for the impossible, there's no wonder you are disappointed. The iPhone display, while small, still has one of the best pixel densities and image quality around. What you want is not only unreasonable, but also impractical given current battery technology .

 

[PNutts]

Put your iPhone up to the computer screen...

It makes it difficult to have a discussion when you edit most of your posts. And by "edit" I mean wholesale replacement. I was getting ready to respond to your last post and now it's entirely different. You do this in all your threads and it reading through them the responses don't make sense.

 

[toasty hoodie]

I did some work on a friend's iPod Touch 1g last night, and got to see this first hand.

I went into the settings on both phones, and even just in the top bar where it says "Settings", it was a stunning difference. The retina display DOES make a difference. It's also why I converted to a Crystal Clear screen protector over an anti-glare.