You should go to an apple store, run through your main points with a genius and ask for a refund.
Or for your next trip you could pick up an iPad 3 on Wednesday.
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What does Retina look like to you?
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You should go to an apple store, run through your main points with a genius and ask for a refund.
Or for your next trip you could pick up an iPad 3 on Wednesday.
I'll have to wait to see what I'll do about the next Apple device.
But I am curious as to what an Apple Genius would say, if I first asked him to show me how to hold an iPhone normally, (he'll hold it about 5-7 inches from face). Then, asked him what Retina was, (he'll tell me the deceit) and finally show him that you can see the individual pixels.
At this point, he could do one of two things, deny, or make truthful snide.
Interesting.
But I am curious as to what an Apple Genius would say, if I first asked him to show me how to hold an iPhone normally, (he'll hold it about 5-7 inches from face). Then, asked him what Retina was, (he'll tell me the deceit) and finally show him that you can see the individual pixels.
At this point, he could do one of two things, deny, or make truthful snide.
Interesting.
Do you realize how close 5-7 inches is? It's very close. I don't see anyone without some sort of vision impairment holding the phone 5 inches from their face. Also, the statements about retina pertains to a population with 20/20 vision. If your vision is better than that, you may be able to distinguish slightly more detail than the average person. I hold the phone 10-12 inches away (which what I see most others doing) and cannot distinguish pixels. When I get as close as 5 inches, they certainly become visible, but still not distractingly so.
If you need to use your phone that close to your face, i'd recommend an optician not an Apple Genius.
You must have issues with your eyes if you are using your phone 5-7inches away from your face all the time.
Well, kids eat dirt. And the last photo is further than 7 inches. The phone itself is 4.5 inches tall, so hold it outward touching the bridge of your nose and then move it out about the distance from the top of the phone to the top of the screen then rotate and enjoy!
... even at 10 inches... they are visible. Don't fight it, it's true. It's like Retinagate.
The funny thing is, when you post a screenshot of the OS you don't see it. That's what reinforces the impact of seeing it on the iPhone. Pixelated. It- it is.
Is that what you're gonna do? Cry "troll"? because I have a strong argument?
Any true Apple enthusiast would agree. Improving products is my only goal.
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I wasn't talking about pixels, just making a comment about the claim of the distance people hold their phones from their face.
Retina Display is some marketing BS from Apple for high resolution display. It's so high that your eyes barely able to distinguish and see each pixel. Thus you feel that you see through regular paper instead of LCD display.
But you know what, I understand your problem. You can see something through retina display but you don't know how to call nor explain what it is. Well I know it! Would you like to know? It's called
Um, thanks for trolling, but you couldn't be more wrong! How is the name "retina display" marketing BS for a display with a high enough pixel density that defies identifying individual pixels under normal use? If tablet maker X called it "super pixel", would that not also be marketing BS?
If you don't shorten a new feature into a form that trips off people's tongue, it won't be a selling feature for long, if at all.
Just in the interest of curiousity, what would you have called it?
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Noooo, the feature on your iPhone you're alluding to is called "IPS display technology". It's a version of LCD called in-plane switching" that gives you much wider viewing angles than traditional LCDs (like those found on the iPod Touch). If you tilted an iPod Touch and looked at it from all angles like you're doing with your iPhone 4S, the image - as you begin to tilt it more severely - would begin to dim and acquire a blueish cast.
IPS is better than standard LCD for viewing angles, and tends to cost more.
Has nothing to do with retina display though.
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^ that makes a whole lot of sense. Most sensible post in this whole thread.
I was under the impression that retina display meant that the picture is so clear that there is no discernible pixelation. None.
It's not that big of a deal, but I'm trying to decide whether or not I like the pixelation, but I'm also wondering what a true retina display would look like, because this is not it.
It is definately marketing BS. What really gets on my nerves is that people are vying for this on the iPad, when it's already clearly inferior display.
This I cannot allow.
^ that makes a whole lot of sense. Most sensible post in this whole thread.
I was under the impression that retina display meant that the picture is so clear that there is no discernible pixelation. None.
It's not that big of a deal, but I'm trying to decide whether or not I like the pixelation, but I'm also wondering what a true retina display would look like, because this is not it.
It is definately marketing BS. What really gets on my nerves is that people are vying for this on the iPad, when it's already clearly inferior display.
This I cannot allow.
Incorrect. IPS (in-plane switching) is a version of LCD display that derives wider viewing angles. Nothing to do with a retina display.
How do I know? I use both iPhone 4S and iPod Touch (both which have retina displays, BUT, only the iPhone 4S has IPS). You can tell by turning the iPod Touch screen to the side and looking at it off angle. The image looks blue-ish and dimmer than does the iPhone 4S from the same angle.
Those examples don't hold water IMO. Why? If those people actually held the phone at average distance, it would be out of the shot. This is an ad. Apple wants you to see the user and the phone clearly in the same shot. Here's another question. Have you seen anyone actually hold and iPhone the way they do in the "the hand and the iPhone" ads? I certainly haven't. It makes for a good display. That's all.
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We don't even really achieve this when printing in color.
After taking your argument in to consideration, I have determined that it sounds silly. Are you trying to tell me, that the director in these commercials, made the actors hold the iPhone closer to their face, just to get a better would be in the shot?
I won't have it.
You try taking a photo or play a game past 10 inches and I guarantee your hands will levitate back to your face like a magnet. Anyone who has read this thread is not looking at their iPhone the same way as before.
You know you see those pixels.
By that concept, they might as well call the iPhone 3G retina display, you won't see pixels if you hold it 30 inches away. I don't think distance should be a factor.
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You can have it, or you can not, but it doesn't make you right, sir...
Can you seriously tell me that you see people with phones this close to their face when walking on the street (except when they are talking on them)? I have never seen anyone hold it that close. Do YOU regularly hold it that close? And if so, why? Do you read books, newspapers, etc. from that distance?
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By the way, this is from wikipedia:
I was trying to look for an actual quote from Apple, because I most certainly don't remember Jobs mentioning anything as close as 5-7 inches.
As·ser·tion Something declared or stated positively, often with no support or attempt at proof.
That whole theory is wrong. Apple says this:
Not true. But just try to view MacRumors.com in full webpage mode at beyond 10 inches. Just try!
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Why would I do that? You are reading full web page articles on your iPhone without zooming in? That answers a lot of questions.
I'm saying that we're past due for a new iPhone. The stuff that used to impress me last year, doesn't impress me now.
And I think Wednesday, they're going to have to prove themselves on coming up with a new formula for a screen.
I'm just trying to open people's eyes. The retina display is a thing of the past. And I need more people on my side.
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The pixel density of this screen is still impressive on almost any phone's standards. I think there is maybe one other phone (which may not have even launched yet) that tops this resolution.
