What i don't like about the retina MBP

[John566]

I have tried the scrolling with all scaling options and with no scaling. I have also compared integrated vs. discrete graphics. I can't see any difference. I will try the canary build of chrome but I'd sure like to be able to us Safari. I'm hopeful they will fix this within the return window.

I wanted to give my 2 cents on the speakers. Best speakers I've ever heard on a portable. Better even than the ones in my 17" Alienware m17x R3. I'm happy to sacrifice a little for speakers this great. I'd even be willing to sacrifice the flush mounting SD card if it came down to it.

Please start a new SD vs. CompactFlash thread if it is still interesting to some of you Thanks.

 

[maratus]

But not by PRO photographers. If you look at the specs for the Canon 7D, 5D, and above and the equivalent Nikons, they take CF cards. That was the previous poster's point.

I doubt that http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...DXPA_064G_A75_Extreme_Pro_64GB_SDHC_SDXC.html
top SDHC and SDXC aren't fast enough for us The main reason why manufacturers continue to support CF in my opinion is that many photographers already have tons of expensive CFs and it'd be painful to replace them.

With that being said I wish D4 supports SD. It's easy to bend pins inside a slot when inserting CF card if you're not careful enough.

 

[Seamaster]

I wanted to give my 2 cents on the speakers. Best speakers I've ever heard on a portable. Better even than the ones in my 17" Alienware m17x R3. I'm happy to sacrifice a little for speakers this great.

This is one of the paybacks for consigning the optical drive to the dustbin of history.

 

[John566]

I just tried Chrome Canary and it isn't any better with the scrolling. Still jerky.

 

[John566]

This is one of the paybacks for consigning the optical drive to the dustbin of history.

Good point. The only thing I miss about the optical drive on my 2011 17" is the 1TB HDD that replaced it once I pulled it out.

 

[ixodes]

Consumers want thinner laptops, and they want more powerful laptops. Something has got to give.

I don't disagree with you. But I do wonder how much of this "thinner, thinner, thinner" is driven by Apple themselves.

Here's why: If we look at the average thickness of other high end laptops like Lenovo's top ThinkPads, such as the T model, they are only 0.2 to 0.4" thicker than a conventional MBP. Yes, they are "business black" which some find rather boring, but they are purpose built to run cool, handle heavy loading under resource intense work, and still run quietly. That's why they have visible vents in the sides and back of the cases, and are just thick enough for excellent air circulation within the case.

In short, they are "Laptops", you know "Computers"... designed to do what computers do.

If Lenovo's priority for the T series was style... they could reduce the thickness by a tenth or two and still have a fast, cool & quiet running laptop. I've used them concurrently alongside of my Macs and the temps and noise levels are quite a bit lower than Apple's. Again I'm not being critical, simply offering an alternative viewpoint. I do realize that Apple likes to be viewed as an "innovator" hence if they build the "worlds thinnest" that's a bragging right only they can claim. Yet at what price? And I do not mean in currency, but rather in overall lifespan, clogging the landfill with remnants that cannot be recycled, et al.

The pictures in the iFixit article are beautiful. The MBP_R looks like a work of art. Components are carefully arranged, logically placed, incredibly close together. That's one heck of an accomplishment. Realistically, I'm as guilty as anyone, since I bought two sight unseen. Before the iFixit article. I trusted Apple.

And how do I like this model? It's fantastic. There's no two ways about it. I like absolutely everything about it... until I read the article and saw the pictures that iFixit published. It's just the thought of it being like the toaster in my kitchen. If it fails, you toss it. Not exactly "Being Green" as Apple began to advertise last year.

Oh well... I will certainly think twice before pre-ordering any new Apple product going forward.

 

[cruggles]

And how do I like this model? It's fantastic. There's no two ways about it. I like absolutely everything about it... until I read the article and saw the pictures that iFixit published. It's just the thought of it being like the toaster in my kitchen. If it fails, you toss it. Not exactly "Being Green" as Apple began to advertise last year.

iFixit mislead the public by stating they are unrepairable and non-upgradable.

I'm sure they are repairable by Apple, you don't have to toss it.

They may be upgradable by Apple, watch this space.

Who knows, Apple might happily upgrade the SSD if you bring it in. Has anyone asked them?

Who knows, Apple might happily even upgrade the RAM - they would have to do it by replacing the logic board but then they could use the old logic board in a refurbished machine.

I think iFixit have jumped the gun on this a little bit.

 

[Kafka]

iFixit mislead the public by stating they are unrepairable and non-upgradable.

By the user, that's what they meant.

I'm sure they are repairable by Apple, you don't have to toss it.

For how much?

They may be upgradable by Apple, watch this space.

What?

Who knows, Apple might happily upgrade the SSD.

For how much? Whatever, they probably won't anyway...

Who knows, Apple might happily even upgrade the RAM - they would have to do it by replacing the logic board but then they could use the old logic board in a refurbished machine.

You're kidding right?

I think iFixit have jumped the gun on this a little bit.

This is non-sense, why defend Apple at all costs with ridiculous and delusional arguments when the direction they're taking is so obviously wrong? What the hell do you care?

 

[cruggles]

I'm not defending Apple, I'm questioning the conclusions drawn by iFixit. I don't see any evidence yet that these machines are unrepairable and non-upgradable. They said the battery is non-replaceable - that is already a lie, the battery is replaceable already: cost price $200. How do they unglue it? That's their problem. But they can do it. They probably replace a whole section of the machine.

They said the MacBook Air SSD was non-upgradable and then suddenly it was upgradable...

As an aside, the "Apple-tax" on RAM has decreased significantly. 2 years ago it cost $500 to upgrade from 4GB to 8GB as a BTO option, now it only costs $200 to go from 8GB to 16GB. If you want to future-proof your rMBP or improve resale, that would be $200 well spent I think.

 

[BJNY]

Usual brightness setting is around the halfway mark on every laptop I profile [at 120 candelas].

On the retina MBP 15 I saw at Apple Store Soho, it seems to be two notches from maximum (by eye).

FYI

 

[portishead]

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I disagree with almost everything on that list.

 

[ixodes]

I'm not defending Apple, I'm questioning the conclusions drawn by iFixit. I don't see any evidence yet that these machines are unrepairable and non-upgradable. They said the battery is non-replaceable - that is already a lie, the battery is replaceable already: cost price $200. How do they unglue it? That's their problem. But they can do it. They probably replace a whole section of the machine.

They said the MacBook Air SSD was non-upgradable and then suddenly it was upgradable....

In my earlier post I said...

"It's just the thought of it being like the toaster in my kitchen. If it fails, you toss it."

First, in retrospect, I didn't mean it quite so literally. It was more of an offhand comment, reflecting my feelings philosophically. It simply is contrary to what I value.

Second, since there are certain failures that would be far too expensive to justify repairing (if possible), I do believe it's possible there may be certain repairs that Apple can do. More than just the $199 battery replacement they've listed. We'll see if Apple responds to the iFixit claim.

Secondly no matter what iFixit said, I take that as only one persons opinion. Yes they are highly respected, but I've been an Apple loyalist for far too long to take anything said outside of Apple, as fact. Only if Apple admits, or says it's unrepairable, will I take that as fact.

Just in case anyone missed the link, here's the iFixit article.

http://ifixit.org/2763/the-new-macbook-pro-unfixable-unhackable-untenable/

 

[John566]

Another quick update. I installed Safari 5.2 as per rumors that it would smooth out scrolling on the RMBP. It didn't. Disabling flash seems to help some but it still doesn't eliminate the problem.

 

[maratus]

Another quick update. I installed Safari 5.2 as per rumors that it would smooth out scrolling on the RMBP. It didn't. Disabling flash seems to help some but it still doesn't eliminate the problem.

Apparently, ML developer preview 4 doesn't have these issues. I wonder if these problems can be fixed within Lion or not?

 

[John566]

Apparently, ML developer preview 4 doesn't have these issues. I wonder if these problems can be fixed within Lion or not?

I'd sure like to know if it will be fixed in MLion because I'm not going to keep this past the 14 day return window and get stuck with laggy scrolling but even if it came out July first I'd go over my return period.

 

[yjypm]

you also forgot to mention the infrared receiver...

 

[Lagmonster]

No Kensington lock is actually a pretty big problem for me trying to get this to be an approved laptop at work. And I am not sure how I feel about the new magsafe, I think I will miss the 90 degree angle.

 

[baryon]

While CF cards are generally seen on high-end cameras, more and more pro cameras are appearing with dual CF and SD card slots, like the Nikon D300s and the Nikon D800.

CF cards use the old pin system, which makes it extremely likely that card readers will fail (I've had a whole camera fail just because of a bent pin in the camera). This won't happen with SD cards. Not to mention SD cards are a lot cheaper for the same specifications, and I'm sure we'll soon have SD cards as fast as CF.

You can't put a CF card reader in a MacBook Pro because of space constraints, which is another reason SD cards are practical.

Pro equipment takes a long time to get phased out, but things are trending towards SD replacing CF, slowly.

 

[newcreate]

Don't hate my new MBP but have same issues

I really miss the sleep led too. There's gotta be a hack for it but it would
probably involve the rt. side usb port.
I'm having some trouble seeing much difference in Retina display too.
Boy, I really screwed it up during early usage. Never select all the folders in your iTunes music (I had 872) folder and hit command-O.
After Mavericks migration assistant using a $29 Thunderbolt to Firewire adapter
All my permissions got screwed up (prob. due to operator error) so iPhoto,iTunes,
Mail etc. were unusable. Got most of it fixed up by now, but can't access my Firewire external drive (I'll fix it eventually).

 

[s2mikey]

Here are a few links to provide readers with "another viewpoint" before spending your hard earned money on a MacBook Pro_Retina

I'm not posting these to highlight the issue, but rather to balance out the excitement that is normal and surrounds any new release.

As one who owns this laptop, I highly encourage you to read these first, and then decide if you want to take the chance.

Personally from a pure use standpoint, the new MBP_R is very nice.

But it's these other issues that you might wish to seriously think about, before you make your decision.



http://www.technewsworld.com/story/75378.html

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-with-Retina-Display-Teardown/9462/1#.T9yXU7VYtT8

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ate-my-new-macbook-pro-a-geek-s-critique.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidth...ce-apples-new-macbook-pro-isnt-built-to-last/

http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2184204/researchers-bemoan-unfixable-macbook-pro

Hmmmm, seems most of the issues center around repair ability of the unit. That IS a big deal though since these are already expensive laptops and feeling forced to add apple care just tacks on another $350 bucks. Geesh. I've been toying with the idea of an rMBP or a MBA and the more I keep reading it appears the MBA is the more "sorted" unit of the two.